And is a much lighter system overall which we've covered a couple of times in the forum, the sort of update which - when a ship is limited on weight - can be good to keep older ships up to date with respect to a PDMS.
Ah I stand corrected. I'd read somewhere a whiles back that ESSM wasn't getting that capability until 2020, so was basing comment on that.
CB90 would probably be the best man to ask, but as far as I've read ESSM can essentially hit anything you can bounce a radar return off of. Much bigger than Sea Ceptor too, so probably better for surface targets - although I suspect either option is an expensive way to sink small vessels! As far as larger targets go I think you could only fire a volley of them and hope for a mission kill. Either way, both of them have the capability. So does Standard and SeaRAM.
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Going a little OT from the RNZN, but while using things like ESSM, Sea Ceptor, and SeaRAM are expensive ways to kill a FIAC, my understanding is that the drive for such a capability was after it was recognized how much damage one could do if allowed too close. Echoes of the USS Cole bombing (granted, there was a ROE issue and lack of SA or concern) and the time and cost to repair such vessel make the cost of ESSM or Sea Ceptor relatively minor, even though the munitions might cost more than the attacking FAC.
No offence intended,i just meant given the budget constraints of govt, and the trend for having similar systems to our closest allies ie austrailia, it was the best we could do under the curcumstances. It could of been far worse if the green party or labour had there way, and they are being upgraded too, waylander seemed to make out the frigates were a obsolete ship, when they have proven their worth already in the gulf of aden and other exersizes. And I would love to see a third frigate too, once again, budget restraints.
No offence intended, though given our budget restraints it was the best we could do,the green party wanted patrol vessels remember? and at least we went for similar systems to the aussies for interoperability, woudn't it be counter productive if Austrailia , Nz, and America all used totally different systems? so much hassle then for a joint taskforce idea. If Austrailla had bought into a better Warship, and it proved an affordable counter offer to what we have things may have turned out differently. Given the recent crises Nz, and my city has gone through with the quakes, I doubt if we will be seeing any major defence purchases for years to come without major justification for it, and a trade off in capability.
I don't think it is fair to say that if only Australia had bought into another ship. They had their own fiscal restraints in those days as welI. It would have been likely that without any build input (which we did quite well out of by the way with respect to that project) we would have actually not replaced the Leanders - the Anzac project in many ways rested on local industrial benefits - it was the only attraction for many politicos. The "OPV is all we need" mantra was well established within the political left within NZ during that time as well as the harder edge of the political right who viewed a post cold war military as an economic burden more than a cornerstone of economic sovereignty.
The myth of the peace dividend.
You don't need to go into what our city went through. But just to clear that; the rebuild will have a massive positive impact upon the national GDP for the next 20 years so that means a higher GDP and theoretically more money available for defence. The ANZACS were an Australian NZ build. The reason NZ welched on its agreement to purchase four was strictly political and the stinginess of the Jim Bolger National Govt & subsequent Shipley Govt, and Winston Peters. I was in the RNZNVR when the first set of drawings were made available to serving RNZN personnel and one thing we noted was a lot of Australia only items on the drawings. We were not impressed to say the least.
Agree that Coleman has been good, and his close working relationship with the Finance Minister crucial. Hence my earlier post wondering what further acquisitions he would manage to push through the system before the election.
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Delahunty was me being facetious 40o South... she is a looney.