NZDF General discussion thread

ngatimozart

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The Ministry has issued a RFI for Individual Weapon Capability. I have had a look at the RFI and picked out the following:
  • is current Steyr replacement;
  • RFI to be submitted by 1200 NZDT 4 Oct 2013;
  • the calibre is 5.56mm x 45 NATO;
  • NVE and ILWS are not part of the RFI because NZDF already hold a stock of those;
  • rails must conform with NATO standards etc;
  • 4x power optics or greater are only being considered;
  • has the other usual requirements, bayonet, 40mm grenade launcher, blank firing adapter etc;
The weapon will be used across all three services. It will be interesting to see what comes out of it.
 

Shanesworld

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The Ministry has issued a RFI for Individual Weapon Capability. I have had a look at the RFI and picked out the following:
  • is current Steyr replacement;
  • RFI to be submitted by 1200 NZDT 4 Oct 2013;
  • the calibre is 5.56mm x 45 NATO;
  • NVE and ILWS are not part of the RFI because NZDF already hold a stock of those;
  • rails must conform with NATO standards etc;
  • 4x power optics or greater are only being considered;
  • has the other usual requirements, bayonet, 40mm grenade launcher, blank firing adapter etc;
The weapon will be used across all three services. It will be interesting to see what comes out of it.
The cynical part of me is saying this is just a window dressing excercise to satisfy State services and treasury before adopting the EF90 or F90 as it might be known. The date of 4th Oct seems a little quick and this I think is for 2000 weapons? Am I right there?
Theres a large investment in the Steyr and anything else doesn't seem like enough of a leap in capability to warrant a phase out of the IW anyway.
But as my missus likes to remind I have been wrong before ( or always depending on how she is feeling). It'll be interesting.
And had a go on the new LSW and got to tell you it is a beast, but still a big fan of the MAG for the longer stuff.
 

ngatimozart

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The cynical part of me is saying this is just a window dressing excercise to satisfy State services and treasury before adopting the EF90 or F90 as it might be known. The date of 4th Oct seems a little quick and this I think is for 2000 weapons? Am I right there?
Theres a large investment in the Steyr and anything else doesn't seem like enough of a leap in capability to warrant a phase out of the IW anyway.
But as my missus likes to remind I have been wrong before ( or always depending on how she is feeling). It'll be interesting.
And had a go on the new LSW and got to tell you it is a beast, but still a big fan of the MAG for the longer stuff.
The RFI has been out for a while and it took a while for me to see a copy. The time period is not unusual and it is round about what they have had on other RFIs. Note this is just a Request For Information, that is all. Personally I'd rather they'd gone to a 7.62mm x 51 NATO IW for every one, but I don't get to make the decisions. If they were going to go for the EF90 they wouldn't cancelled the contract last December. They've had the current Steyr in service for 25 years. I can't comment on numbers.
 

Shanesworld

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The RFI has been out for a while and it took a while for me to see a copy. The time period is not unusual and it is round about what they have had on other RFIs. Note this is just a Request For Information, that is all. Personally I'd rather they'd gone to a 7.62mm x 51 NATO IW for every one, but I don't get to make the decisions. If they were going to go for the EF90 they wouldn't cancelled the contract last December. They've had the current Steyr in service for 25 years. I can't comment on numbers.
Sorry, I wasn't aware of any of that. Was that contract last december of the A3 equivalent F88 or the F90? I thought the RFI was only recent as I was only aware of it from a news article last month. I used to work for a completely different part of Govt and we had to pull some odd tricks to get the most banal things done.

I really like 7.62, hunt with it and like the knock down effect. But its alot of ammo weight.

I really do like the bullpup for urban and if the steyr had a brass deflector I would call it perfect. The only downside (and I'm a grenadier at the moment) is after warming up the barrel the aluminium rail for the grenade launcher seems to trap the heat and cause jams. The F90 may fix that. Having said that the new SCAR's and so on are pretty ninja.
Trying to do urban with a C9 is abit awkward and they are comparable to a M16 for example in length. Done Opfor with AK and they are short enough to be really handy.
I shouldnt be so cynical but its natural defence mechanism after surviving a govt department.

Cheers
 

RubiconNZ

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Sorry, I wasn't aware of any of that. Was that contract last december of the A3 equivalent F88 or the F90? I thought the RFI was only recent as I was only aware of it from a news article last month. I used to work for a completely different part of Govt and we had to pull some odd tricks to get the most banal things done.

I really like 7.62, hunt with it and like the knock down effect. But its alot of ammo weight.

I really do like the bullpup for urban and if the steyr had a brass deflector I would call it perfect. The only downside (and I'm a grenadier at the moment) is after warming up the barrel the aluminium rail for the grenade launcher seems to trap the heat and cause jams. The F90 may fix that. Having said that the new SCAR's and so on are pretty ninja.
Trying to do urban with a C9 is abit awkward and they are comparable to a M16 for example in length. Done Opfor with AK and they are short enough to be really handy.
I shouldnt be so cynical but its natural defence mechanism after surviving a govt department.

Cheers
I would like to see the SCAR get up as well. It is a shame they rule out the 7.62 round, surely at the RFI stage they could leave open the possibility of a different calibre, although perhaps the local production of ammunition is an issue.

There is obviously still the 5.56 mm version available of the SCAR. But a 7.62 version for the Army and 5.56 for the Navy and Airforce could still be a reasonable split.

Possibly the 7.62mm round is just to lethal for an respectable disaster relief and peacekeeping focused military. ;)
 

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I would like to see the SCAR get up as well. It is a shame they rule out the 7.62 round, surely at the RFI stage they could leave open the possibility of a different calibre, although perhaps the local production of ammunition is an issue.

There is obviously still the 5.56 mm version available of the SCAR. But a 7.62 version for the Army and 5.56 for the Navy and Airforce could still be a reasonable split.

Possibly the 7.62mm round is just to lethal for an respectable disaster relief and peacekeeping focused military. ;)
Defeats the purpose of being interoperable with our allies if the NZDF is the only ABCA country with an 7.62mm assault rifle. Army is not going to get a split buy as most of those 2000 IW will be for 1 Bde with Navy/Air getting no more than a couple of hundred.

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RegR

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You'll also find Air Force and Navy deploy a lot more on army led operations and even army going the other way so not sure why you would differentiate calibres per service, enemy fire is still the same regardless of headdress, its the degree of exposure that may vary.
 

RubiconNZ

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Defeats the purpose of being interoperable with our allies if the NZDF is the only ABCA country with an 7.62mm assault rifle. Army is not going to get a split buy as most of those 2000 IW will be for 1 Bde with Navy/Air getting no more than a couple of hundred.

CD
That makes perfect sense. I must ask though is 2000 rifles a first tranche order? Surely that is inadequate even just for the first 1 Brigade, and coupled with a need for rifles for the other services.

Although as I type this, I do wonder if this signifies the actual intent behind the RFI, ticking the boxes for procurement procedures while intending to procure the F-90 for the "frontline" IW-Rifle and maintaining the F-88 for lack of a better term in the secondary forces. I imagine the two variants must retain enough commonality to allow the joint operation of the two without logistical headaches.

You'll also find Air Force and Navy deploy a lot more on army led operations and even army going the other way so not sure why you would differentiate calibres per service, enemy fire is still the same regardless of headdress, its the degree of exposure that may vary.
While I agree with your premise, my rationale was (I should have explained it in my original post) in regards to the weapon size, specifically barrel length and overall length of weapon that comes with the calibre variance of the SCAR-H vs. SCAR-L.

This in regards to weapons handling and stowage for ships and aircraft and often confined conditions for use on board vessels. I was also concerned with the penetration potential of a 7.62mm round vs. the 5.56mm and it's use in close quarters in maritime use.

All a moot point now of course, but I thought I should explain myself a little rather than just leaving my post as a throwaway comment.

Cheers.
 

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The NZDF Annual report is out NZDF Annual Report for the year ended 30 June 2013. It is a 209 page pdf file and I haven't yet read it. However there is a "precis" of it on the Defence News site with journalistic licence Annual Report Shows Light at End of the Tunnel for NZDF | Defense News | defensenews.com. I have read the article and the intro to the report. It does appear on the surface that indeed there maybe light at the end of the tunnel but we do have a long way to go. As is now well known, the intention is to have a Joint Amphibious Task Force operational by the end of 2015, which is very commendable, but I think for this to be a fully viable force the NZG is going to have to dig deeper into its pockets. The naval side of this is being discussed on the RNZN thread http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/n...navy-discussions-updates-4854-205/#post269332. There has been quite a discussion over the last few days regarding the makeup of the naval component of the amphibious force.
 

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Getting Kiwi gunners to be good integrators - Part 1

This appeared in Janes recently. I have obtained it from a third party where the original source citation wasn't given. However this is the link if you have access to Janes which I don't https://twitter.com/IHS4DefRiskSec/status/379906853511368704. Its dated 17/9/2013.
Sorry it's quite long, but I think that is important the whole article is available for all. I've had to break it into two posts because of the length.
Getting Kiwi gunners to be good integrators

• The RNZA's integration skills are a major force-multiplier for a force as small as the NZDF
• The NZDF is 'talking the talk' on precision, but does not have organic means to 'walk the walk'

In military terms the secret of being able to do a lot with a little is to "be a good integrator", Vice Chief of the New Zealand Defence Force (NZDF) Major General Tim Keating told IHS Jane's . At the heart of this capability lies the Royal New Zealand Artillery (RNZA). The RNZA's inventory of L119 howitzers is being re-lifed to last until 2030, but the debate continues on how to give its batteries a precision munitions capability in the intervening period. (NZDF)

In total, the NZDF has 13,720 personnel, including civilians. The ready element of its land component is 1 (NZ) Brigade, 3,300-strong and headquartered at Linton on New Zealand's North Island.

As exemplified to IHS Jane's by brigade commander Colonel Chris Parsons during a visit to Linton, his command's 'contract' with the government is to be able to concurrently deploy, and sustain indefinitely in the field, an independent land task group of 250 soldiers and a combined arms task group (CATG) of 600 soldiers. The two task groups could, if the need arose, be combined to provide the core of a sustained battlegroup deployment. In theory, it would also be possible for the brigade to contribute the basis of a rather bigger coalition joint task force, although in such an eventuality any contribution above 800 personnel would only be supportable for a limited period.
Col Parsons told IHS Jane's "as a small force, one of the things you have to be good at is being multipurpose, be that in terms of the scale of the conflict; the role; or the environment you might be working in". The NZDF routinely conducts independent company operations at strategic distance: "a lot of armies prefer to use larger organisations than that", he pointed out.

"Excellence begins in the detail," noted Col Parsons. First it is necessary to provide a soldier with a wide baseline of skills, and only then is he or she trained in a specialist area. "For a small military, specialisation to the exclusion of broader utility," he suggested, "is a luxury", NZDF personnel commonly undertake extensive cross-training in a variety of skill sets - typically artillerymen will do CIMIC (civil military co-operation) and light infantry training, while officers - both commissioned and non-commissioned - will receive all-arms training in addition to their special-to-arm training.

Besides the headquarters (HQ), Linton houses several of 1 (NZ) Brigade's subordinated units. Among them is the NZDF's solitary artillery regiment (16th Field Regiment, RNZA), plus infantry, engineer, combat service support, signals and medical battalions.
Under its most recent reorganisation initiated in 2011, 16th Field Regiment comprises an HQ battery and three scalable 'hybrid' howitzer/mortar batteries (including 161 and 163 Batteries from the regular force and 11/4 Battery from the Army Reserve).
1448638The NZDF's 81 mm L16A2 mortars have now been consolidated within RNZA hybrid batteries, while a 60 mm mortar has been adopted for its infantry battalions in their place. (NZDF)

The functions of the individual hybrid battery include traditional fire support - the provision of surface-to-surface fires including the planning, command and control (C2) of up to six L119 105 mm Light Guns or 12 L16A2 81 mm mortars, or a mix of both. However, the battery now also has a significant co-ordination capability, the better to support the combined joint operations precepts of contemporary coalition operations.
According to the regimental commanding officer, Lieutenant Colonel Matt Weston, the battery HQ organisation is able not only "to assist integrate, co-ordinate and at times control the direct fires systems available within the CATG" [such as the infantry's Javelin anti-tank missile], but also "any coalition indirect fires that may be available". On top of that, "the application of fires provided by coalition air and maritime force elements are integrated with land manoeuvre via the Joint Fires Effects Coordination Centre [JFECC] and Joint Fires Teams [JFT] provided by the hybrid battery. This includes the provision of Joint Terminal Attack Controllers [JTACs] and Joint Fires Observers [JFOs] to control and co-ordinate aerial platforms".

For linking the IFPS with dismounted JFTs and mortar detachments, the RNZA employs use of smaller notebook-sized portable data units (foreground. These use software common to the ETC, enabling firing data to be generated at these levels too, if required. In this training set up, the data communications bearer is an ITT RT-1523 SINCGARS VHF frequency-hopping manpack, both the radio and the display requiring their own battery power supplies.

Another of the hybrid battery's functions is battlespace management. The JFECC and JTAC elements provide the CATG with a link into coalition airspace co-ordination with the air component elements deployed. The JFECC deconflicts fires whether generated from air, land or sea, this being "an area of increasing importance as the NZDF seeks to engage in amphibious operations". On behalf of the CATG commander, it also leads the targeting process within the CATG, concerting the application of information operations (IOs) and civil-military co-operation (CIMIC) operations as well as kinetic effects. The battery itself has teams trained in CIMIC operations, although the latter is increasingly becoming an all-arms task.

Lastly, the hybrid battery provides an intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) capability to the CATG, not only by means of its JFTs but also through the potential deployment of unmanned aircraft systems (UASs).
The agency principally responsible for inculcating the necessary skills within the NZDF's exceedingly compact fire support community is the School of Artillery, also at Linton. In conversation with its Chief Instructor, Major Kristian Dunne, IHS Jane's was told that he had 17 staff devoted to training 16th Field Regiment, most of the school's multiplicity of courses being staged between January and July each year.
Enlisted personnel gravitate between three trades, namely weapons (covering guns and mortars), command systems (survey, signals and fire control), and targeting. The latter trade is for soldiers/non-commissioned officers (NCOs) who have already been command systems-trained and designated to work in forward observation posts or battery/brigade co-ordination cells.

There are yet more courses for senior ranks (assistant instructors gunnery, training NCOs etc) and for officers. The latter start with the young officer's (YO's) course, GPO (gun position officer) and AFO (artillery forward observer) courses. The trained GPO is, in effect, a senior technical lieutenant able to deputise for the battery captain, while an AFO is a captain versed in fire planning and capable of acting as the CATG's or battlegroup commander's fires adviser, as well as being able to run a forward observation party. As part of the AFO course, students receive an introduction to the control of naval gunfire support.
Artillery captains and majors can also find themselves attending all-arms courses at the Land Operations Centre, Palmerston North, while those scheduled to be battery commanders could be sent either to Australia or the United Kingdom for in-depth instruction in subjects such as influence/effects planning, brigade targeting, land targeting, and joint fires targeting.
Air-land integration hurdles

In the RNZA the traditional artillery forward observer party has now become a JFT, and is broadly analogous to the six-soldier fire support teams (FSTs) found within British Army artillery regiments. There are four such JFTs per hybrid battery, and in addition to artillery these are capable of controlling mortar, air-delivered and naval gun fires.
Within the JFT, the commander and his/her assistant will both be qualified as JFOs, capable of conducting Type 2 and Type 3 terminal attack controls with fast jets or attack aviation under the control of a certified and qualified (CQ) JTAC or forward air controller. The latter would normally be found at brigade or battlegroup/CATG level.

JTACs are in short supply in the NZDF, which has no fast jets of its own with which to conduct their certification training and to help them remain qualified thereafter. According to Col Weston, there are just four JTACs available within 16th Field Regiment, plus an (unspecified) number within the NZ Special Air Service (SAS) Regiment. Each CQ JTAC requires (a minimum of) 12 live controls for certification, and six further controls every six months thereafter in order to remain current.
The lesser-trained JFO has found favour with the NZDF as an expedient means of widening the NZDF's terminal-attack control capacity on operations, since certification can be achieved in simulation.
The first JFOs from New Zealand received their training overseas towards the end of the past decade, but latterly a national three-week JFO course has been established with Australian assistance. This course is due to be assessed for US accreditation in January 2014, and is intended to be run three times a year.

Meanwhile, to sustain its JTAC establishment the NZDF continues to send candidates (among them JFOs) to the Australian Defence Force, whose air-ground operations school has received accreditation in line with the US Joint Close Air Support Memorandum of Agreement (JCAS MOA). The NZDF's certified JTACs likewise have to go abroad - mainly to Australia - for their currency/qualification training.
Precision conundrum

Recognition of the absolute necessity of having a precision fires capability to minimise collateral damage on future battlefields is writ large in the Future Joint Operating Concept 2035 publication, the official roadmap for NZDF evolution. Its authors state: "Future operations will require the Joint Task Force to operate with increased targeting discrimination, sensitivity, and proportionality to minimise unintended and consequential effects. In deterring and defeating a range of threats, the NZDF will need to exploit technology to attain greater precision and discrimination .... Retaining the ability to conduct precision and area strikes while minimising unintended effects will require the Joint Task Force to be equipped with, and have access to, precision joint fires capable of delivering flexible and pre-planned targeting." As a rider to that, it adds: "Key to this will be ensuring that joint fires capabilities are available in a responsive way to lower levels of command than has previously been possible".

The modular Elbit IFPS is used primarily as a standalone system for battery-level ballistic computing and for maintaining an artillery-related situation display, based on demountable ETC vehicle-borne terminals and Barco desk displays. This IFPS classroom training installation at Linton has a battery-level ETC computing display (left) linked to another (right) allocated to a gun detachment as a gun orders display. Data is relayed via Thales AN/PRC-148 handheld radios, one of which is visible (centre). Note also the Selex PRR in foreground for supporting related voice communications with and within gun detachments. (Rupert Pengelley)

In the light of this clearly stated aspiration, and of the NZDF's previous exposure to its practical implications when engaged in coalition operations in Afghanistan, it seems anomalous that target co-ordinate mensuration (TCM) and exploitation of full-motion video capabilities are apparently not an established part of the JFTs' training curriculum at Linton. Allied forces' experience and practice are indicative of the need for this, as the only practical way of attaining and sustaining not merely the desired level of precision but also the desired level of responsiveness.
Col Weston told IHS Jane's that NZDF personnel have trained on TCM software, including the portable Precision Strike Suite - Special Operations Forces (PSS-SOF) originally developed for US JTACs for the generation of Cat 1 target co-ordinates (to within 6 m in three dimensions), "but not in this country". As for full-motion video, he noted that while in Afghanistan NZDF JTACs/observers had habitually made use of ROVER 4 remote video terminals.

The DRS colour layer's display and control unit adopted for the Selex G-NAPS navigation and pointing system, which will automate position determination and laying with the NZDF's L119 Hamel guns. Its inherent potential for on-gun ballistic computation and networking with higher-level command systems is set to remain unexploited by the NZDF for the time being. (Selex ES)
However, the NZDF's training exposure to the wider utilisation of ROVER-compatible remote video terminals, which allow cross-operation and networking with coalition manned or unmanned airborne sensor platforms, will not have been aided by the adoption of a non-standard terminal and datalink for the indigenous Kahu UAS. The NZDF has been using Kahu for experimentation in airborne ISR asset exploitation at the lower tactical levels for the past five years.

In terms of the precision of its indirect-fire offensive support weapons, Weston told IHS Jane's "there will need to be a discussion around precision versus deployability and flexibility". One difficulty is that for the NZDF's current choice of weapon calibres no precision munitions capabilities have progressed beyond the development stage in the last 20 years. Those technologies that have matured are only being produced for 155 mm and 120 mm munitions. "In the South West Pacific there are likely to be mostly short-notice operations, and [logistically] our reaction time is likely to be affected if we go for systems bigger than the 81 mm mortar or 105 mm Light Gun," Col Weston explained.
"The current systems do allow us to develop competence and also to neutralise area targets: to build a precision [kinetic-effects] delivery capability beyond what we can already achieve using a select group of observers [ie with JTACs and air-delivered weapons] will require a new indirect-fire weapon," and in this case "even the [M777A2] lightweight 155 mm howitzer may well be too heavy for us", suggested Col Weston.
Meanwhile, the NZDF's L119 Hamel 105 mm Light Gun inventory is being put through a rolling rebuild programme to extend its service life to 2030 and beyond. Executed by BAE Systems in Australia, this rebuild began in 2011 and is due to be completed in 2015; it involves renewal of the Hamel's recoil, buffer and recuperator mechanisms.

Significantly, training is also due to begin in early 2014 on an improved gun navigation and pointing system (G-NAPS) for the Hamel, which prospectively has a bearing on the precision of the effects that it can deliver.
The signing of a contract with Selex ES for the supply of G-NAPS was announced in May, and the first delivery from the United Kingdom is scheduled to take place in November. In principle it serves to automate the laying and gun management functions, although the RNZA still intends to keep a reversionary manual sighting mode. The 16th Field Regiment has accordingly been testing the suitability of the C2 optical laying sight (originally developed for the L16A2 81 mm mortar, and for the 7.62 mm general-purpose machine gun [GPMG] when operated in predicted-fire mode) for application to the Hamel, hoping thereby to keep the training burden within its hybrid gun/mortar batteries to a minimum.

G-NAPS is closely related to the new LINAPS Mk 2 laser inertial aiming and pointing system, which Selex has been producing for the British and Canadian armies. Unlike its progenitor, however, G-NAPS does not have a direct-fire computing sight capability of the kind the British Army successfully implemented with the original LINAPS. This was done in 2009-10 in response to an urgent operational requirement to ensure both precision and improved responsiveness when engaging direct-fire targets out to 6 km, using the 'Dragon Gun' version of the L118 long-barrel model of the Light Gun in Afghanistan.

The LINAPS Mk 1 variant employed on the Dragon Gun provided rapid compensation for ballistic variables using a South African ballistic kernel integral to its monochrome Denel WMS205 layer's display and control unit (LDCU). This, its South African inventors had had the foresight to include to give the users an on-gun computing option, even though it was not part of the British specification. This capability has since been replicated in LINAPS Mk 2 using a new DRS colour LDCU in combination with the NATO armaments ballistics kernel (NABK). While G-NAPS does have the DRS LDCU, the NZDF has apparently not asked for the NABK, although it could be argued an autonomous on-gun technical fire-control computing capability might in future be useful for precision munitions shoots by single guns and patrol-base deployments by independent gun pairs, as well as for direct-fire engagements.

In the light of its de facto adherence to massed fires and battery-level ballistic computing, another seemingly anomalous choice (doubly so in the era of the NZDF's 'Network Enabled Army' [NEA] concept) is the 'air-gapping' of G-NAPS and 16 Regiment's higher-level Indirect Fire Prediction System (IFPS). The firing data generated by the IFPS, developed by Israeli contractor Elbit, will therefore need always to be entered into G-NAPS manually, and any status returns from the guns likewise will have to be by voice and manual injection. Industry sources have suggested to IHS Jane's that an online data transfer capability would be easy enough to implement, assuming any related commercial confidentiality issues between Elbit and Selex could be cleared up.
The NZDF started training on the IFPS in 2010, when it began to phase out the previous MAS Vanguard battery computing system. In principle, IFPS is capable of being used at levels up to battalion (regiment) for both tactical and technical fire control computing purposes, but in the NZDF's case battery-level operation is the norm.

The standard vehicle-mounted terminal used with the IFPS is Elbit's 5.2 kg Enhanced Tactical Computer (ETC) with a 10.4-inch XGA display, running Combat NG/Beacon artillery and mortar C2 software. (The latter has elements in common with Elbit's TOR2CH situational awareness software, also adopted for use with the Australian Defence Force's BGC3 battle-management system.) Smaller, notebook-sized portable data units are employed by the JFTs and mortars. All devices have common software enabling firing data to be predicted at every station if required.

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Getting Kiwi gunners to be good integrators - Part 2

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For communications between observers and the battery, and between the battery and its guns/mortars, 16th Field Regiment boasts a more flexible and future-proof range of vehicular and portable radios than many of its contemporaries. Other than for the transmission of computed fire commands from the IFPS to the guns, this traffic is nonetheless generally still in voice. The standard NZDF transceiver is ITT's RT-1523 SINCGARS encrypted VHF frequency-hopping manpack, which the batteries mainly use in its AN/VRC-91 demountable vehicular configuration for communicating with supported units. These radios also provide a means of pushing IFPS data down to the gun or mortar detachments, whose commanders carry lighter Thales AN/PRC-148 MBITR multiband handheld radios capable of running some of the SINCGARS VHF modes for handling either voice or data traffic.

Options for equipping the RNZA's hybrid batteries with a UAS are in discussion, it having already been decided that the experimental Kahu UAS will not fit the bill. (NZDF)

The RNZA evidently seized on MBITR primarily for its size, weight and power characteristics, rather than for its versatility. Although apparently not generally exploited by the RNZA in such a manner, it remains the case that the AN/PRC-148 can also provide a UHF satellite communications capability (given access to the appropriate frequencies and waveform). This opens up the possibility of remotely deploying individual guns or pairs of guns at extended distances from their parent batteries, and in much more broken terrain than is possible using line-of-sight VHF radios.
For voice communications within and between detachments the Selex 2.4 GHz Personal Role Radio (PRR) is also issued, this provides a back-up voice link to the battery command post assuming the latter is within 500 m of its associated guns and mortars.

Setting aside the premature withdrawal from service in 2011 of the RNZA's Mistral very low-level air-defence missile system together with the latter's associated alerting and cueing systems, a significant portion of its remaining equipment anomalies and co-ordination debits stand to be ironed out under the future NEA programme. As ever, politicians can have only such military options as they are prepared to pay for. While it might not yet be perfectly formed, it can be seen the NZDF's fire support community has nonetheless been working energetically to ensure it remains robust, relevant and adaptable to as wide a range of contingencies as its circumstances permit.

Copyright © IHS Global Limited, 2013
Since the loss of the ACF the army has had to do all of its JTAC training and subsequent recertifications offshore, mainly in Australia. It also points to a wider issue of NZ Army soldiers not having experience of operating with fast air, which must have a limiting effect upon their training.

Another issue this article speaks to is the current L119 105mm howitzers ammo not having the upgrades and new technology that the 155mm and 120mm ammo are having, therefore creating issues in modernisation and conflicts between deployability and precision fire. The M777 155mm howitzer is to heavy for NZDF to lift by rotary wing and position quickly like they currently can with the M119. Pity we can't mount the 5in naval gun on a howitzer light carriage similar to the L119. I know not feasible. The RNZA are also upgrading their firing computing kit and comms gear. The article describes this in some detail.
 

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Since the loss of the ACF the army has had to do all of its JTAC training and subsequent recertifications offshore, mainly in Australia. It also points to a wider issue of NZ Army soldiers not having experience of operating with fast air, which must have a limiting effect upon their training.

Another issue this article speaks to is the current L119 105mm howitzers ammo not having the upgrades and new technology that the 155mm and 120mm ammo are having, therefore creating issues in modernisation and conflicts between deployability and precision fire. The M777 155mm howitzer is to heavy for NZDF to lift by rotary wing and position quickly like they currently can with the M119. Pity we can't mount the 5in naval gun on a howitzer light carriage similar to the L119. I know not feasible. The RNZA are also upgrading their firing computing kit and comms gear. The article describes this in some detail.
The XM1156 precision guided round is currently only adapted to 155mm ammunition natures, however it is also being adapted to 105mm ammunition natures and the indicative date for this development is 2015. Something along these lines should see a very quick (to introduce to service) and useful precision guided fusing system able to be integrated into the existing NZ Artillery capability that will provide a significant improvement in lethality at minimal cost. (You only really need to buy the guided fuses and screw them into existing ammunition natures).

If NZ were to jump on board as a first customer, I'm almost certain you'd see the development of this capability speed up. There's plenty of nations around the world who use 105mm gun natures and for as little as $20m - $50m can pick up a large inventory of precision guided munitions, just as we did for over 4000 guidance kits for $54m...

To obtain as many Excalibur 1B rounds you'd be looking at a bill in excess of $400m...

http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/government-australia-–-munitions
 

Cadredave

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Part 2 of 2

Since the loss of the ACF the army has had to do all of its JTAC training and subsequent recertification offshore, mainly in Australia. It also points to a wider issue of NZ Army soldiers not having experience of operating with fast air, which must have a limiting effect upon their training.
Regardless if we had an ACF we would still be required to recertify our soldiers off shore, all our JTACs qualified not in Australia but main land USA/Hawaii it was all to do with meeting the very strict US Forces criteria and the amount of live ordnance required to be deemed proficient. We have more JTACs now who are far superior to the old FO qualified pers.

The issue of losing our ACF might of been a hindrance in the beginning to the Group but to the rest of the Army who never ever saw the ACF on exercise we didn't miss a thing to be honest as long as 3 Sqn was there was all that mattered.

CD
 

tongan_yam

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While I'm not a subscriber to this report I find their (free) reporting to be top notch. I found the following video interesting with the discussion about peer to peer warfare in the current context of South China and the impact that has on our shipping lanes. It was also of interest to our New Zealand context that the US has keep the above sector in check which is interesting from our geo-polictical view point as we cozy ourselves with our US brothers again.

At 10' they talk about 'the new bling' of the Pacific being the submarine, and talk about the vulnerability that the system faces against a precession combat systems.

George Friedman and Robert D. Kaplan on the Evolution of War | Stratfor
 

gf0012-aust

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At 10' they talk about 'the new bling' of the Pacific being the submarine, and talk about the vulnerability that the system faces against a precession combat systems.

George Friedman and Robert D. Kaplan on the Evolution of War | Stratfor
Have met Friedman and the affectation that he would trivialise subs to the SEA region as "bling" doesn't seem to wash with how I've seen him engage in sensible fact based discussions.

there's a reason why the fastest growing sub purchases are coming out of the PACRIM and east asia - its certainly not a factor of them wanting "bling"

that entire region is a crap fight waiting to happen between 2020 and 2040. As its one of the highest maritime traffic zones in the world, and as most of the players cannot hope to match the chinese when they decide to go expeditionary - then the most effective bang for buck an disproportionate effective platform for effect and for sucking the resources out of an enemy surface fleet is the sub. No other maritime asset can cause such a disproportionate dislocation of an enemies capability and attention to planning detail.
 

Volkodav

The Bunker Group
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If the opposition has subs and you don't know where they are you have to assume they are where you can least afford them to be. i.e. the threat of submarines saps up resources beyond belief.

Think of it this way, if there is one sniper taking shots at your people you have to assume there is more and assign the appropriate resources to confirm one way or the other.
 

kiwi in exile

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Well the NZ US military relationship has gone up another notch. I note our minister has given the Sec Def an all Blacks jersey :)

NZ and US resume military cooperation - Story - NZ News - 3 News

About time too. I wonder if the US has given the NZG a bit of a hurry up about its defence spending? Who knows another F16 deal. We could be so lucky, not.
Again with the F16's. Would have been good 10 years ago, but I wouldn't want them today. Yesterdays fighter.
 

ngatimozart

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Again with the F16's. Would have been good 10 years ago, but I wouldn't want them today. Yesterdays fighter.
That's arguable. They are still being built although I believe unless any new orders are received, the line closes next year. Personally, if we were to stand up an ACF again I think the Gripen E would be our best choice.

On 3 News tonight this was the first item up although they spun towards the NSA spying on friends scandal overseas and Five Eyes was bought up. According to their political reporter, Five Eyes has a clause about not spying against each other, which the US doesn't have with NATO or any other non Five Eyes treaty or relationship. How correct that is remains an unknown. Officially NZ has no concerns about the NSA spying scandal. Coleman brushes off spying revelations - Story - Politics - 3 News

Another thing to come out of the item is that apparently there will be an exercise in NZ coming up that will be the largest exercise held in NZ for many years and will involve the US and other nations. No details were mentioned. IIRC Southern Katipo starts either late this week or next week so don't think it's that one. Also the RNZN is off to RIMPAC again (2014) and this time will be permitted to berth in Pearl Harbour alongside the USN and other participants including the PLA(N). This is good in one aspect in that they are not being treated differently, but last year they were berthed at the cruise ship wharf, just two minutes from all the museums and art galleries that kiwi sailors have an intense yearning to frequent. Next years RIMPAC will be to soon for the frigate SAM missile upgrade, but maybe 2016 (he says with tongue firmly in cheek).
 

RegR

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That's arguable. They are still being built although I believe unless any new orders are received, the line closes next year. Personally, if we were to stand up an ACF again I think the Gripen E would be our best choice.

On 3 News tonight this was the first item up although they spun towards the NSA spying on friends scandal overseas and Five Eyes was bought up. According to their political reporter, Five Eyes has a clause about not spying against each other, which the US doesn't have with NATO or any other non Five Eyes treaty or relationship. How correct that is remains an unknown. Officially NZ has no concerns about the NSA spying scandal. Coleman brushes off spying revelations - Story - Politics - 3 News

Another thing to come out of the item is that apparently there will be an exercise in NZ coming up that will be the largest exercise held in NZ for many years and will involve the US and other nations. No details were mentioned. IIRC Southern Katipo starts either late this week or next week so don't think it's that one. Also the RNZN is off to RIMPAC again (2014) and this time will be permitted to berth in Pearl Harbour alongside the USN and other participants including the PLA(N). This is good in one aspect in that they are not being treated differently, but last year they were berthed at the cruise ship wharf, just two minutes from all the museums and art galleries that kiwi sailors have an intense yearning to frequent. Next years RIMPAC will be to soon for the frigate SAM missile upgrade, but maybe 2016 (he says with tongue firmly in cheek).
Lets be honest F-16s would still be a quantum leap from what we have now (uh nothing) so beggars can't be choosers and we will have to now re-learn the art anyway so no real point going all out plus I do not see anything wrong with F-16s in the context NZ would realistically and actually use them in, alot (ALOT) of countries use them being a bonus in itself in terms of co-operation, inter-operability and 'sharing' etc.

The major ex will be Southern Katipo Ngati, it goes on for quite awhile with different stages, kinda in pre-lim build ups at the moment eventually getting to the grand finale later in the year.

I would like to think the US would not spy on us however........................not that they'd get much anyway, need something worth spying on first.
 
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