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Feanor

Feanor

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MDB has a nice article summing up what the current reforms have done to the VMF. It has plenty of particulars, such as base numbers, and naval division re-organizations.

Moscow Defense Brief

However I must comment that not everything is as rosy as it appears from this article. While the basic facts are correct, the newly formed civilian-run logistical structures aren't always up to the task. Also 2009 saw a considerable dip in flight hours for AVMF. The numbers went back up in 2010, and 2011, and are set to increase again in 2012. Also as it stands the AVMF still operates Su-27S and P variants out of Kaliningrad region, and Su-24M and MR variants out of the Far East (not just the Black Sea, as MDB claims). Finally this article neglects to mention the disasterous condition of the Naval SAR, and ASW aircraft. While the SAR issue may be resolved by purchasing Ka-32 rescue helos (a contract for 6 was signed recently, with deliveries to start this year, and it's probably not the last contract) the ASW situation is much worse. There is no next-gen ASW platform nearing completion, and there aren't even any particularly impressive modernization options for the existing Ka fleets. The Mi-14 ASW helos are repotedly no longer in operation. It will be a test to see if the necessary number of helos for the Mistrals can be produced in a timely manner. The Ka-52 production is likely to go well, but the Ka-29, and necessary Ka-27 may be a problem. Also the currently suggested helo load for the Mistrals is 8 Ka-52 and 8 Ka-29, meaning NO ASW helos at all. While it's possible the Ka-52K will be configured for ASW, this remains to be seen.
 
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Wall83

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The first Ivan Gren class landing ship will be launched on May 18.

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Baltic Shipyard "Yantar" (Kaliningrad region) produced for the Navy Russian amphibious ship "Ivan Gren" $ 5 billion rubles. The descent of the vessel on the water is scheduled for May 18, the press service of the Kaliningrad Regional Duma.

A ship with a displacement of five tons can take on board 300 marines, 40 armored personnel carriers or 13 tanks. It was built for the needs of shipbuilders Kaliningrad of the Russian Navy. Coupled with his "senior colleague" - produced by the French helicopter "Mistral" - it will form the core of the Navy amphibious forces.

The vessel, which is named in honor of the Soviet vice-admiral who commanded naval artillery during the siege of Leningrad - the first major amphibious ship, fully made ​​from domestic shipyards.
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alexkvaskov

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Don't know if this has been brought up before, but it's something that's been eating at me for a while. How realistic would it be to convert the Typhoon's into SSGNs?
 
kev 99

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alexkvaskov said:
Don't know if this has been brought up before, but it's something that's been eating at me for a while. How realistic would it be to convert the Typhoon's into SSGNs?
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It was done with Ohio's which means it could almost certainly be done with Typhoons if the money was there. If the money was there, which it isn't.
 
Feanor

Feanor

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kev 99 said:
It was done with Ohio's which means it could almost certainly be done with Typhoons if the money was there. If the money was there, which it isn't.
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The money is there, but there are better options, such as the new 885Ms.
 
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Spacearrow99

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The Russians will only buy two Mistrals from France. And according to artcile below, on existing information of the contract, the Senit 9 combat system will not be apart of the deal. It states that Senit 9 inclusion was contingent on a buy of four Mistrals.

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alexkvaskov

alexkvaskov

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Question about the Brahmos missile - which current ships in the Russian navy could be modified to use this missile? Some sources indicate the Gorshkov frigate might make use of it, others claim the missile is too large.
 
Klaus

Klaus

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The Admiral Grigorovich-class frigates could be equipped with it. But they are not in service yet.

Projet 1135.6 Krivak III mod - REDSTARS

Somewhere I read that the phased-out Kirovs could be modified to use the weapon. But I don't know whether this is really being considered or just speculation.
 
Feanor

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Well it looks like the first Russian naval UAV may be the S-100 Siebel. 2 have been acquired for use on the new Rubin class patrol ships by the FSB border guard service, with localized assembly in Russia. A total of over 25 ships of the class are planned with 1 already built (for which the first UAV has been acquired) and 3 under construction right now (2 more to be laid down this year). Sources close to the VMF claim that it's likely the S-100 will be purchased for use on VMF ships of similar size.

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The photo in the link shows an S-100 during state trials for the FSB.
 
Sandhi Yudha

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Does someone knows the status of these projects?
The latest news about the Slava Cruiser Ukraina is from 2010 (Russia to help Ukraine finish construction of missile cruiser | Defense | RIA Novosti). Is the project just frozen or completely cancelled and planned for scrap?

And how about the Tuman, the third Neustrashimyy class frigate?
According wiki "The work on the ship was suspended when about 30% complete in 1996 and was laid up in 1998 only to clear space in dry dock. May be finished and sold for export"
 
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Wall83

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Sandhi Yudha said:
Does someone knows the status of these projects?
The latest news about the Slava Cruiser Ukraina is from 2010 (Russia to help Ukraine finish construction of missile cruiser | Defense | RIA Novosti). Is the project just frozen or completely cancelled and planned for scrap?

And how about the Tuman, the third Neustrashimyy class frigate?
According wiki "The work on the ship was suspended when about 30% complete in 1996 and was laid up in 1998 only to clear space in dry dock. May be finished and sold for export"
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The last thing I heard about the Ukraina was that Russia had inspected the hull and then it became silent. The ship is probably in very bad shape.
I read in one article that Russia would only take the ship if they could have it for free.

The Tuman is most likley not going anywhere. Russia will concentrate on newer designs like the Project 22350 and the Admiral Grigorovich class frigate.

They also have the Project 1244,1 Novik? vessel that sits unfinished at Kaliningrad.
 
Klaus

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What sense would it make to buy a 30 year old cruiser, which is in poor condition, when there are already more modern ships in construction? On the other hand, Russia will hardly build any new cruisers in the foreseeable future.

Does anybody know whether the Russian navy operates any attack helicopters at the moment? Somewhere I read that the Ka 29-fleet is being modernized and not available for operations.
 
Sandhi Yudha

Sandhi Yudha

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Wall83 said:
The last thing I heard about the Ukraina was that Russia had inspected the hull and then it became silent. The ship is probably in very bad shape.
I read in one article that Russia would only take the ship if they could have it for free.

The Tuman is most likley not going anywhere. Russia will concentrate on newer designs like the Project 22350 and the Admiral Grigorovich class frigate.

They also have the Project 1244,1 Novik? vessel that sits unfinished at Kaliningrad.
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Thank you Wall83!
 
Feanor

Feanor

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Klaus said:
What sense would it make to buy a 30 year old cruiser, which is in poor condition, when there are already more modern ships in construction? On the other hand, Russia will hardly build any new cruisers in the foreseeable future.

Does anybody know whether the Russian navy operates any attack helicopters at the moment? Somewhere I read that the Ka 29-fleet is being modernized and not available for operations.
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The Ka-29 was supposed to be modernized but so far the new variant hasn't passed state trials. The AVMF has no real attack helo. The Ka-52K will be their first.
 
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