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PO2GRV

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Northern Fleet Gets Modernized Anti-Submarine Plane | Defense | RIA Novosti Northern Fleet gets modernized Anti-submarine aircraft

more news about procurement in the Russian military. I am interested to know how much of an increase in capability the new systems upgrade for the Il-38 will grant. Unfortunately the article does not state how many of the aircraft will be upgraded to the new system, nor does it give much insight to plans for future buys of new airframes of the upgraded type.

I wouldn't be suprised if the majority of the new aircraft will be shunted to the pacific fleet. Furthermore, I wonder if this aicraft will have export potential, whether as a contender or cheaper alternative, to the P-8 purchases of say, India
 

RobWilliams

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There's one thing thats puzzled me recently, why does a country the size of Russia only operate a single carrier? I mean i assume it'd have the potential to operate more. Or is it more due to the fact that naval capability isn't as high as land/air?

Note: My knowledge of the Russian navy is very scant at the most.
 

Feanor

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The Il-38N carries the new novella complex, including digital on-board computer requiring 2 on-board operators, new high-grade thermal optics, and other unspecified upgrades.

Lenta.ru:

The first aircraft slated for upgrade are most of the Northern Fleet Il-38s, not Pacific.
 

alexkvaskov

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There's one thing thats puzzled me recently, why does a country the size of Russia only operate a single carrier? I mean i assume it'd have the potential to operate more. Or is it more due to the fact that naval capability isn't as high as land/air?

Note: My knowledge of the Russian navy is very scant at the most.
Russia lacks the money to construct a carrier; yard capacity and condition also leave much to be desired. In the Soviet times, the navy was last in terms of priority after the air and land forces - most likely the same to this day.
 

KiwiRob

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I disagree here, I don't think Russia lacks the money to build a carrier, if India can afford it Russia certainly can, it's more polifitcal than financial IMO.
 

exPrivate

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It is probably back in history. In Soviet times carriers were considered to be a purely offensive weapon, typical of Western capitalist agression. 2-3 months ago I read an interview in the Russian media with a top guy in the Pacific Fleet and he was commenting that they need at least 3 new carriers. If I see logic in the reconstruction of the Russian Navy, first of all it is submarines, than frigates and OPV. For now the Mistrals will do, but in a new situation Russia will start to build carriers imo.
 

Feanor

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It seems that two of the Typhoons are getting scrapped, and one will be kept as a test platform for new tech. A wise decision, in my opinion. The VMF can't afford them, and needs money for smaller surface combatants, and new subs, to maintain numbers.

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Wall83

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It seems that two of the Typhoons are getting scrapped, and one will be kept as a test platform for new tech. A wise decision, in my opinion. The VMF can't afford them, and needs money for smaller surface combatants, and new subs, to maintain numbers.

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Isnt this like the tenth time they changed thier decision about this submarines?

It cant be more then a month ago it was annonched that they would be kept in service and modified.

Disposal of Russian Third Generation Nuclear Subs Suspended | Defense | RIA Novosti
 

Feanor

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Feanor

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Apparently they will re-evaluate after further testing of the new anaerobic system, in the Northern Fleet.

Lenta.ru:

If this project falls through it would be a very unpleasant situation for the VMF. They would have to mass produce the same Kilos for themselves, that have been getting exported, putting them a generation behind where they want to be.
 

Klaus

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The Russian Baltic Fleet is reportedly preparing itself to introduce new flying boats. AIR International writes that Beriev is about to deliver 4 new aircraft to a base in the Kaliningrad region. It is not known whether these will be A 42s or Be 200s.
 

Feanor

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The Russian Baltic Fleet is reportedly preparing itself to introduce new flying boats. AIR International writes that Beriev is about to deliver 4 new aircraft to a base in the Kaliningrad region. It is not known whether these will be A 42s or Be 200s.
Do you have a public news source? There was a Be-200 contract in the works, but last I heard it got delayed.
 

Klaus

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No, I just read it in that magazine. The last thing I heard was that a order for the Be 200 by the Navy had been postponed, whereas the A 42 recently completed its test programme. So I guess they'll get the ASW A 42.
 

Feanor

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No, I just read it in that magazine. The last thing I heard was that a order for the Be 200 by the Navy had been postponed, whereas the A 42 recently completed its test programme. So I guess they'll get the ASW A 42.
I think this is a bad idea to be honest. They're starting up production for a whole new airframe, with few export prospects, and a very small domestic market.
 

971

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Been wondering for a while now - why did the Soviet navy put such an emphasis on attack submarines? Considering they were capable of constructing dozens of 10-20,000 ton monsters, why was the Soviet surface relatively weak? - alexkvaskov
The Soviet surface arm of the Navy was never weak. Your statement seems to fall in the same category of “No carriers like the US = weak naval force” school of thought. I suggest you read some more on the Red Fleet’s composition and especially on the basis on which both US and CCCP built their surface forces. Two doctrinal worlds apart! For what the Russians saw fit as a Fleet for their needs, the Red Navy’s potential and power was fairly decent.
As for the attack boats: political and doctrine shifting currents throughout the late 70s and up to the late 80s which emphasized an increased boomer deployment scheme plus the advances in quieting and general manufacturing of SSNs, led to the need for more and better attack boats (hence the 3d Generation - Sierra, Akula and Mike classes). That and the increase of US/NATO SSN activity in both Eastern Atlantic and Western Pacific.

There's one thing thats puzzled me recently, why does a country the size of Russia only operate a single carrier? – RobWilliams
Political and naval doctrine, that’s why. See the above answer.
 

alexkvaskov

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Have there been any news on a navalized S-400? Also, what air defense system do the Admiral Gorshkov and Grigorovitch use? Are they capable of carrying the current naval S-300?
 

Feanor

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Russian ships participating in the anti-piracy mission will now carry NATO comm and nav systems.

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I wonder if this means they will be permanently installed, or if they will purchase a small number, and rotate them among ships on those missions. I doubt we'll ever get the details on what those exactly those systems are.
 
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