Russian Navy Discussions and Updates

Feanor

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Sandhi Yudha

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Feanor said:
There is a fire at a Russian nuclear SLBM sub, in drydock for maintenance. The fire has been put up, but they had to submerge the sub to do it. The sub is a 667BDRM, the Ekaterinburg, from the Northern Fleet. The reactor was not operating at the time, and no damage has been caused to it.

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Thanks for the report, hopefully Ekaterinburg will be in operationable condition soon...
 
Klaus

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The Russian Nvay's new aircraft and helicopters won't enter service as soon as it has been planned earlier. According to an article in "Air International" the signing of a contract for 8 Be 200 has been delayed until 2014. The other possible ASW aircraft, the A 42, hasn't entered service yet due to delays in its test programme, which has been completed only some weeks ago.

The naval version of the Ka 52 will be equipped with a much more powerful radar than the land-based one. The forward- and side-looking device will have a detection range of up to 200 km. I wonder whether this means that the Alligator can be used as an AEW-platform. And will it then be equipped with BVR-weapons?
 
Feanor

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Was there any details on what variant of the Be-200 is planned? What role it will fill?
 
Klaus

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They wrote that they apparantly don't know that themselves. They could either be used for ASW or for SAR missions.
 
Feanor

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Klaus said:
They wrote that they apparantly don't know that themselves. They could either be used for ASW or for SAR missions.
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Seems like a bit of an over kill for SAR... then again, it would be badly needed. There was a proposed ASW variant titled Be-220, but it never went ahead. If they were purchasing it in ASW variant they would need to develop the on-board equipment, as current ASW gear in the AVMF is badly out of date. That having been said Il-38 and Tu-142 replacements are badly needed.
 
Klaus

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If they're gonna use it for ASW, what sense would there be in purchasing the A 42 (assuming that the order for that aircraft won't be cancelled)?

To be honest I don't understand why the Russians always develope several different aircraft for the same purpose. I hope the planned order for the MiG 35 won't be placed as the Su 35 and Su 30 already ordered have the same capabilities. The fact that there are 3 attack helicopters on order, while two existing (Ka 29 and Ka 50) will be kept in service is also hard to understand (at least for me). There are probably some reasons for that, but in the future standardization of equipment would be badly needed in order to cut costs.
 
Feanor

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There have been conflicting reports. We'll just have to wait and see. Though the fact that the MoD ordered a batch of kilos hardly bodes well for the Lada.
 
alexkvaskov

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Training

Is there any new/recent data regarding training and readiness in the Navy?
How many SSBN patrols, what exercises, state of the Naval Aviation etc.
 
Sandhi Yudha

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alexkvaskov said:
Found an interesting link some time ago, thought I'd share it here.

the nuclear information project: Soviet/Russian nuclear submarine patrols

Thoughts?
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Thanks for the link, but its from FAS and not very up to date anymore (data until 2006). i think the situation has been changed a lot today.
Besides that, how does FAS/U.S. Navy exactly knows that the annual number of extended patrols performed by strategic nuclear submarines and nuclear-powered attack submarines has dropped from more than 230 in 1984 to less than 10 today? Maybe there was a lot more patrols performed by the Russians, but not detected by the US Navy.
 
alexkvaskov

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Sandhi Yudha said:
Thanks for the link, but its from FAS and not very up to date anymore (data until 2006). i think the situation has been changed a lot today.
Besides that, how does FAS/U.S. Navy exactly knows that the annual number of extended patrols performed by strategic nuclear submarines and nuclear-powered attack submarines has dropped from more than 230 in 1984 to less than 10 today? Maybe there was a lot more patrols performed by the Russians, but not detected by the US Navy.
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Thought as much.

Been wondering for a while now - why did the Soviet navy put such an emphasis on attack submarines? Considering they were capable of constructing dozens of 10-20,000 ton monsters, why was the Soviet surface relatively weak?
 
Feanor

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alexkvaskov said:
Thought as much.

Been wondering for a while now - why did the Soviet navy put such an emphasis on attack submarines? Considering they were capable of constructing dozens of 10-20,000 ton monsters, why was the Soviet surface relatively weak?
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Part of it was the internal budget fighting, the Soviet Navy never got the level of funding and support to do that. Part of it was a matter of being able to operate larger surface combatants effectively. If you look carefully at Soviet naval history you will see that they slowly built up to operating the Kirov cruisers, and Kuznetsov-class carriers through slowly constructing larger and more capable surface combatants.
 
Feanor

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They might be able to, if most of them are Kilos.

The aircraft carrier is bullshit.

EDIT: Trials started for an AVMF MiG-29K prototype, aboard the Kuznetsov. It's unclear whether these are official state trials or not.
 
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