Royal Australian Navy Discussions and Updates

Status
Not open for further replies.

John Newman

The Bunker Group
Well shes here, just walked outside and looked across the harbour to find HMAS Choules coming in....
Just came back from the city, took a few shots.

She is huge, towers over the FFG's parked in front of her.

Cant wait to see the LHD's in a few years too!

Edit:

Just added a nice shot from the navy, Choules heading into dock with the sterns of the LPA's and Success as well.

Also a link from the Defence website with a lot of photos:

All Images - FotoWeb 7.0

Enjoy.
 
Last edited:

Sea Toby

New Member
As I suspected, she towers over HMAS Success and the two LPAs as well in that last image, never mind the FFG...

A flicker image with better known Sydney landmarks in the background.

 

John Newman

The Bunker Group
I'm still waiting for some journo to call it a "battleship" :)
Its early days, she's only been in the harbour less that 12 hours, give them time!!

Does anybody know if there are plans to put the guns and CIWS from the LPA's on her?

Maybe then the journo's can call her a battleship!!
 

phreeky

Active Member
Looks great.

I don't follow the RAN very closely, but is this ship expected to be kept in service for the long term, or simply until the LHDs enter service?
 

gf0012-aust

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Verified Defense Pro
Its early days, she's only been in the harbour less that 12 hours, give them time!!

Does anybody know if there are plans to put the guns and CIWS from the LPA's on her?

Maybe then the journo's can call her a battleship!!
if anything it would be done prior to being sent in "harms way" or being sent off somewhere ugly where there might not be suitable available escorts or support.
 

John Newman

The Bunker Group
Looks great.

I don't follow the RAN very closely, but is this ship expected to be kept in service for the long term, or simply until the LHDs enter service?
One would hope its for the longer term, but who knows what the Goverment's long term plans are!

There are others here who would be far better qualifed to know the answer to that question.

Interestingly for a number of years, well before the problems with the Amphibious fleet, there has been a plan for a "Strategic Sealift Ship" to come into service in the early 2020's.

According to the public version of the DCP, that ship appears to closely match a ship very much like Choules.

So even with the purchase of Choules, the Strategic Sealift Ship is still in the DCP for the early 2020's, so if Choules is kept, her final crew might just eventually transfer over to it!!
 

Sea Toby

New Member
One would hope its for the longer term, but who knows what the Goverment's long term plans are!

There are others here who would be far better qualifed to know the answer to that question.

Interestingly for a number of years, well before the problems with the Amphibious fleet, there has been a plan for a "Strategic Sealift Ship" to come into service in the early 2020's.

According to the public version of the DCP, that ship appears to closely match a ship very much like Choules.

So even with the purchase of Choules, the Strategic Sealift Ship is still in the DCP for the early 2020's, so if Choules is kept, her final crew might just eventually transfer over to it!!
I figure if the Aussie navy is pleased and happy with Choules as the third sealift ship, that the third, now fourth sealift ship will be dropped from the DCP. She isn't that old, only five years, and she could last another twenty five years easily, maybe more. She does fit the billing for the third sealift ship with the two LHDs. I suspect and wonder whether that third now fourth sealift ship that was planned could end up being a dry goods type ship supporting the amphibious fleet similar to a Mars class combat stores ship.

I believe Australia bought the RFA Largs Bay with surplus funds. The opposition of the LHDs can't complain too much as this was the size of amphibious ship they preferred over the LHDs.
 

brolgaboy

New Member
Ummm thats new

OK, so a quick question. When did we start putting HMAS on the name plates on the side of the superstructure??? From memory and it has been a while since I had to put one up, they normally only ever had the name. Maybe the brits misinterpreted what some one old them to do??
 
if anything it would be done prior to being sent in "harms way" or being sent off somewhere ugly where there might not be suitable available escorts or support.
Hi gf in relation to the self protection kit that will eventually go on the choules will the nulka be installed or only the mini typhoons? Also just more out of curiousity is the nulka an expensive system to implement? Thanks in advance mate I watch this forum quite alot and I haven't really seen any discussion on the nulka.

By the way the choules looks to be one impressive ship and i'm glad we managed to get our hands on her.

Cheers
 

Anixtu

New Member
Is that the Mexeflote in the well dock, if it is might be an optical illusion but she only just fits in with not much room for spare.
Your link doesn't work (probably the stupidly long URLs generated by the photo library) but if it's file 20111220ran811596_029.jpg then yes, it's a Mexeflote. One element of optical confusion may come from the bow section being unlocked from the rest of the raft and lashed to the beach at an angle. Apart from that, the raft is hard up against the port side of the dock, there's probably a couple of feet clearance on the other side: look at the shadow. I can't remember for sure, but I think there is just enough room to walk/clamber beside a Mexe in the dock. The dock was designed to accept Mexeflote and LCU Mk10, so it's sized to be big enough for those, but no bigger.

I note from the caption that they plan a ship's company of 158, more than double the basic RFA ship's company, and about the number I'd have guessed the RN would have manned a Bay with. The basic RFA complement is of course only sufficient for basic operations and does not include Mexe drivers (about 5 per raft) or stevedores (about 10 in a detachment). I'll guess the RAN will have more medics (5?), a permanent flight deck/aviation team (10 more bodies?), an amphibious operations department. I can't think who else you might add until WEs become necessary with Phalanx and other sophisticated weapon installations. I'd love to see a breakdown of the RAN crew by departments.
 

Milne Bay

Active Member
Your link doesn't work (probably the stupidly long URLs generated by the photo library) but if it's file 20111220ran811596_029.jpg then yes, it's a Mexeflote. One element of optical confusion may come from the bow section being unlocked from the rest of the raft and lashed to the beach at an angle. Apart from that, the raft is hard up against the port side of the dock, there's probably a couple of feet clearance on the other side: look at the shadow. I can't remember for sure, but I think there is just enough room to walk/clamber beside a Mexe in the dock. The dock was designed to accept Mexeflote and LCU Mk10, so it's sized to be big enough for those, but no bigger.

I note from the caption that they plan a ship's company of 158, more than double the basic RFA ship's company, and about the number I'd have guessed the RN would have manned a Bay with. The basic RFA complement is of course only sufficient for basic operations and does not include Mexe drivers (about 5 per raft) or stevedores (about 10 in a detachment). I'll guess the RAN will have more medics (5?), a permanent flight deck/aviation team (10 more bodies?), an amphibious operations department. I can't think who else you might add until WEs become necessary with Phalanx and other sophisticated weapon installations. I'd love to see a breakdown of the RAN crew by departments.
Is there likely to be a reasonable number in a training contingent?
 

icelord

The Bunker Group
Verified Defense Pro
I note from the caption that they plan a ship's company of 158, more than double the basic RFA ship's company, and about the number I'd have guessed the RN would have manned a Bay with. The basic RFA complement is of course only sufficient for basic operations and does not include Mexe drivers (about 5 per raft) or stevedores (about 10 in a detachment). I'll guess the RAN will have more medics (5?), a permanent flight deck/aviation team (10 more bodies?), an amphibious operations department. I can't think who else you might add until WEs become necessary with Phalanx and other sophisticated weapon installations. I'd love to see a breakdown of the RAN crew by departments.
Thats just what our ships need, more racks for greenies to sleep in, and a day rack for all times outside of pipe down:rolleyes:

Thats not including excercises and deployments, which would be another 20 or so. I highly doubt we will look at how the Kiwis have utilised their amphib/ferry, which doesnt even man the MCR of a night, just has stokers on call.
Throw in more cooks, dibbys,SADs and comms for excercises, plus trainee stokers and you'll push it up to 200 mark. Dont forget the LPAs crew was around 250, 280+ on deployment, so theirs alot of people sitting around FSU doing very little(me included!)
 

aussienscale

The Bunker Group
Verified Defense Pro
Your link doesn't work (probably the stupidly long URLs generated by the photo library) but if it's file 20111220ran811596_029.jpg then yes, it's a Mexeflote. One element of optical confusion may come from the bow section being unlocked from the rest of the raft and lashed to the beach at an angle. Apart from that, the raft is hard up against the port side of the dock, there's probably a couple of feet clearance on the other side: look at the shadow. I can't remember for sure, but I think there is just enough room to walk/clamber beside a Mexe in the dock. The dock was designed to accept Mexeflote and LCU Mk10, so it's sized to be big enough for those, but no bigger.

I note from the caption that they plan a ship's company of 158, more than double the basic RFA ship's company, and about the number I'd have guessed the RN would have manned a Bay with. The basic RFA complement is of course only sufficient for basic operations and does not include Mexe drivers (about 5 per raft) or stevedores (about 10 in a detachment). I'll guess the RAN will have more medics (5?), a permanent flight deck/aviation team (10 more bodies?), an amphibious operations department. I can't think who else you might add until WEs become necessary with Phalanx and other sophisticated weapon installations. I'd love to see a breakdown of the RAN crew by departments.
The Mexeflote's are normally carried externally, if you look at the ship port and stbd at the flight deck you can see where they would normally attach, guessing they are in the dock just for the trip and to keep them out of the elements. You will also see that the mounting is actually on an angle, this will actually become level with the waterline once she has taken on ballast to flood the dock for amphib ops

Cheers
 

Belesari

New Member
Perhaps, but if she ever grounds you can be assured the journos will call her a tanker in one of the first reports.
Good greif i hate it when they do that. Wasn't there a time you were expected to Know what you were saying as a reporter on the national stage?
 

ThePuss

Defense Professional
Verified Defense Pro
The Mexeflote's are normally carried externally, if you look at the ship port and stbd at the flight deck you can see where they would normally attach, guessing they are in the dock just for the trip and to keep them out of the elements. You will also see that the mounting is actually on an angle, this will actually become level with the waterline once she has taken on ballast to flood the dock for amphib ops

Cheers
The Floats where undergoing final certification training at FBW when she was in. The cert got cancelled in the UK due to poor weather. I was onboard at around 04 deck when the whole ship lurched. I said "What the hell was that?" and the response from the Cheif Tiff was a causal "Oh That's just a Mexi". Must have a bit of weight in them to lurch a ship that size!. I dont have any photo's of the Mexi deployed but I have a couple of the APU's being offloaded. ImageShack Album - 26 images

images of operations of a float can be seen here http://111.125.172.46/fotoweb/Grid.fwx?position=121&archiveid=5003&columns=4&rows=2&sorting=ModifiedTimeAsc&search=choules
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top