Indian Navy Discussions and Updates
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Twinblade
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AMCA project aims to deliver a LO fighter with a MTOW of 20 tons (think of a LO f-16 but with two 90KN engines instead of one 130KN engine), broadly similar to the Japanese ATD-X Shinshin. Aims are realistic in terms of weight & thrust, considering they initially planned LCA to be 5.5 tons but over engineered the airframe to avoid any newbie mistakes. LCA mk2 is supposed to be 6 tons as compared to Gripen NG at 7.2 tons, so IMO they might be able to keep it close to 8-8.5 tons, similar to f-16.
Also planned are AESA radar, uprated 90-95KN Kaveri engine ( which even in its current form should be able to give this baby a nasty thrust weight ratio). Right now this is all the info available in public domain.
hey did anyone else catch this and have any details on it?
Print News: Pipavav Defence and Offshore Engineering
designeraccd
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What is the current status of both the Indian carrier construction program, and the x-Gorshkov? Any photos?
I find the design of the Indian carrier, with the X'd flight deck, to be very interesting as a way to potentially increase the number of sorties on a relatively "small" carrier. DFO
I find the design of the Indian carrier, with the X'd flight deck, to be very interesting as a way to potentially increase the number of sorties on a relatively "small" carrier. DFO
Twinblade
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Gorshkov set to hit sea maybe till end of this year and the IAC by middle of next year.What is the current status of both the Indian carrier construction program, and the x-Gorshkov? Any photos?
I find the design of the Indian carrier, with the X'd flight deck, to be very interesting as a way to potentially increase the number of sorties on a relatively "small" carrier. DFO
StevoJH
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MMRCA seems to have been going on forever, so who knows if they actually *can* afford it. The ex-Russian carrier hasnt really been that expensive and the cost has been spread over many years. Not sure how much the Mig-29 fleet purchases have cost, but it would probably be quite considerable.
As for PAK-FA, has the actual % share/R&D contribution of India ever been released?
GelbOne
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I recently returned from a trip to India and I have no doubts that they would have trouble financing the projects.
well, Pogosyan (directer of Sukhoi DB) said that tech, intellectual property, and design is 50-50. Then, the HAL director said that India was working on the composites, avionics, and cockpit systems, as well as flight software etc.
designeraccd
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"The ex-Russian carrier hasnt really been that expensive" Oh? The last figures I saw were an estimate of over 2.3 BILLION dollars for that "FREE" carrier. To my limited wallet, that's one expensive free carrier! Plus cost of aircraft, etc.
Obviously the Indians are embarked on a very large military buildup. I wonder how much more impetus they will have now that the PLAN has their one CV at least moving?? DFO
Obviously the Indians are embarked on a very large military buildup. I wonder how much more impetus they will have now that the PLAN has their one CV at least moving?? DFO
The PLAN's CV was going to move sooner or later and India I am pretty sure were prepared for that eventuality, they will proceed on with their carrier plan and will hope to remain one step ahead of the Chinese in this area."The ex-Russian carrier hasnt really been that expensive" Oh? The last figures I saw were an estimate of over 2.3 BILLION dollars for that "FREE" carrier. To my limited wallet, that's one expensive free carrier! Plus cost of aircraft, etc.
Obviously the Indians are embarked on a very large military buildup. I wonder how much more impetus they will have now that the PLAN has their one CV at least moving?? DFO
designeraccd
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Given the use they have gotten out of the x-HMS Hermes; one could say they definately have recieved their money's worth! Given the "checkered" history of the 4 Kievs in the Soviet Navy; good luck.
Learning how to operate the high performance SU33 is going to be another BIG step in their naval aviation program, from the IAC's or x-Gorshkov. DFO
Learning how to operate the high performance SU33 is going to be another BIG step in their naval aviation program, from the IAC's or x-Gorshkov. DFO
Plus they have the advantage of geography. There's a reason its called the Indian Ocean and they really aren't interested in what goes on in the South China Sea. Both bodies of water are of strategic concern to China.
Twinblade
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4 and half wars, 4 decades of non stop insurgencies in the last 64 years, ultra nationalist electorate and countless other reasons will insure that the defence spending does not fall, besides low wages allow them to spend a larger share on equipment as compared to other countries. Furthermore an 8-9% growth in the GDP allows them to maintain a healthy annual increase in spending.
StevoJH
The Bunker Group
Fairly sure the MIG's were included in the price, but even if they werent, 2.3 Billion is still half the price of a new carrier of similar size like the Queen Elizabeth class.
The Indians are well ahead, they have developed doctrine and fully trained and experienced pilots. However, the PLAN also have support ships, so you cannot use that as an example of Indian superiority, if anything I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese support ships were actually newer and in better condition.
StevoJH
The Bunker Group
That is not what he said, he said ultranationalist 'electorate', aka. the population.ultranationalist?
are you insinuating that the Indian government is some sort of neo-Fascist movement?
Ultranationalism | Define Ultranationalism at Dictionary.com
Fascist is not a synonym of Ultranationalist.
A synonym of Nationalist *is* Patriot though.
Twinblade
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Most likely, yes. They are installed on [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talwar_class_frigate"]Talwar class frigate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia@@AMEPARAM@@/wiki/File:INS_Talwar.jpg" class="image" title="INS Talwar"><img alt="INS Talwar" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/INS_Talwar.jpg/300px-INS_Talwar.jpg"@@AMEPARAM@@commons/thumb/0/06/INS_Talwar.jpg/300px-INS_Talwar.jpg[/ame] class frigates as well.
Similar size? 50% greater displacement.
Cavour was 1.4 billion Euros, & is as similar in size to ex-Gorshkov as a QE is.
GelbOne
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true true, but right now only 4 Otobreda 76mm guns have been confirmed, which is kinda surprising because they have a relatively slow RTF when compared to the PHALANX or other Gatling-based point defense systems.
btw Migs were never included in the price to begin with. The Spanking new Ks would never have come free like the carrier was supposed to(initially)
Twinblade
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Naval Tejas doing its ground engine runs.
first flight expected soon Picture courtesy Chacko Joseph from Frontier India. Read the full article here
LCA Naval Prototype completes first Engine ground Run
PS : Just look at those legs