thunder299
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First J-10 according to PAF will be inducted in mid of 2012
J-10C of Pakistan Air Force
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That depends whether you consider PAK-FA as a separate program or a continuation of the SU-27 program....
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I think we can agree that it's more then a redesigned Flanker. The basic aero-dynamic layout may have been retained, but the airframe is different, all the avionics are new (and the radar in question isn't an upgrade of the previous one) the OLS is new, and even the engines (for all the discussion currently) are going to be different.That depends whether you consider PAK-FA as a separate program or a continuation of the SU-27 program....
Let me put it this way. If the JSF program, to raise funds lets say, used late-model F-16s as testbeds for some of it's sensor, and engine, improvements; would you consider the JSF a continuation of the F-16? I mean the basic aero-dynamic layout is not THAT different.
Lets say we retrofitted EO-DAS to an F-16 airframe, along with a radar that will later evolve into the F-35 radar, and a new engine, that will serve as the baseline for the F-35 engine.I mean ultimately, there's only so much money Sukhoi has to play with. And the MoD funding for the PAK-FA was poor, and came late. So of course they had to cut corners, and extend some of the upgrades to late-model Flankers to help pay for the PAK-FA. From what I recall even some of the RAM coating used on the Su-35 may go into the PAK-FA.
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The wing and tail roots look to be exactly the same dimensions as the SU-27 airframe, the landing gear is the same, the engines are the same, the internal cannon location is the same (and a derivative of the existing cannon is planned)...I think we can agree that it's more then a redesigned Flanker. The basic aero-dynamic layout may have been retained, but the airframe is different, all the avionics are new (and the radar in question isn't an upgrade of the previous one) the OLS is new, and even the engines (for all the discussion currently) are going to be different.
Let me put it this way. If the JSF program, to raise funds lets say, used late-model F-16s as testbeds for some of it's sensor, and engine, improvements; would you consider the JSF a continuation of the F-16? I mean the basic aero-dynamic layout is not THAT different.
I mean ultimately, there's only so much money Sukhoi has to play with. And the MoD funding for the PAK-FA was poor, and came late. So of course they had to cut corners, and extend some of the upgrades to late-model Flankers to help pay for the PAK-FA. From what I recall even some of the RAM coating used on the Su-35 may go into the PAK-FA.
If it looks like a duck, etc...
I'm not saying it's simply a re-designed SU-27 airframe, but plenty of SU-27 design ideas have gone into the PAK-FA and it is built by the same manufacturer...
It is no secret that F-35 shares many common design ideas with the F-22.
Btw, L-M did use the F-16 to test the air inlet for an early version of the X-35's planned supersonic diverterless inlet... But it shares more in common with the F-22, than F-16, except for the same number of engines...
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You're oversimplifying in my opinion. If you'd like we can continue the discussion in the PAK-FA thread. I think there's plenty to talk about, just don't want to derail this thread any more.
hmm, depending on whether you are talking about J-10B or J-10A. B certainly has a whole host of new electronic goodies that seems to be on par with what you would see on super hornets and the latest variants of eurocanards. As for J-10A, I don't think you need a slotted array radar to track too many targets. If you look at what J-10 carries on an average mission, it's unlikely it is asked to attack more than 2 targets. Just stick with STT mode, you get the furthest range on that. We don't really have the range at different modes, but it's clear from reading PLA papers that J-10A can consistently pick up MKKs than vice versa at an earlier point.
I was thinking more like 30 km, although the newer AMRAAMs apparently have longer NEZ than that.
don't think the configuration is finalized.
Is it feasible that Pakistan wil mix and match systems from different suppliers like they are with the jf-17? That could probably give more integration with their other (western) assets like the F-16's AEW's and scout helicopter assets?
I think that would negate the need for calling it J-10 A or B.
Or are the J-10's going to replace the F-16's? Not likely though because they just received new ones. So what is the position of the J-10 in the strategy of the PAF?
SURB
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J10's role will be pretty simple in PAF :
1-Air superiority & augmentation of air defense along with F16s
2-Negation of any threats froms MKI
3-Deep strike when ever required.
PAF is heading towards JF-17,J10 & F16 combination so no question of replacing F16s with J-10.
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If you are asking whether PAF has night combat capability then the answer is "yes."
Chopperjohn
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Who is going to get it?
So who is going to get the deal is it China or Pakistan?
So who is going to get the deal is it China or Pakistan?
Qutab Shah
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Well J-10 is Good choice as far as relibility and trust of the supplier is concerned. But Pakistan and china must look the ways and solutions to the situation like recent embargi of Defence equipment being hired from Austrlia...!
What defence embargo from Australia?
Masquerader
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The Pakistani Air Force inducted the J-10C into service in March 2022, in which case Pakistan now has not two but three jet fighters in service. Also, the J-10 had its first baptism of fire on January 18, 2024, when Pakistan used its J-10s to attack Baloch militants in eastern Iran, the first time Iran was attacked by a foreign country since the Iran-Iraq War.
eurasiantimes.com
'Dragon From The East' - Pakistan Gets 2nd Batch Of 'Rafale Challenger' J-10C Fighters From China - Local Media
Pakistan has received the 2nd batch of J-10C fighters, which it procured from its all-weather ally China, the country's local media outlets reported.
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Explained: Which weapons were used, how exactly did Pakistan carry out airstrikes in Iran?
Pakistan on Thursday (Jan 18) launched airstrikes in Iran against alleged militant hideouts, killing at least nine people. In the retaliatory action called operation "Marg Bar Sarmachar" several missiles hit a village in the Sistan-Baluchestan province that borders Pakistan, said Iranian state...
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