A common mistake of this debate is to equate anti RAF with anti airpower. If the RN didn't value airpower they would care about an independent airforces.I think you are bonkers-I suppose you are now going to say we could have won the Battle of Britain without the RAF, despite the fact that the RAF was set up in 1918 because the RNAS and RFC (as was) were incapable of launching a credible defence of Britiah Air Space against German Bombers. You also fail to look at the fact that Governments of the day after WW1 slashed the Defence budget in Britain, and hence all three services spent the years before WW2 and during the early years of WW2 regenerating back to the size they were at in WW1, but obviously with modern equipment and newer tactics.
I don't think the RN would have made any less a job of UK air defence, and had air power been applied more effectively in the Battle of France it might not have been needed. Certainly Dunkirk would have been easier with a Carrier and some Zeros.
However if you contrast Amiens in 1918, the near perfect coordination of artillery, infantry, tanks and aircraft bonbing above with the hopeless performances of the Army 1939-42. The advance nature of RNAS thinking in 1918: Carriers, Independent Bomber Force, Sopwith Cuckoo plans for a Taranto on the German fleet in 1918, with the Fairy Swordfish/Fulmer (I bet you have some romantic view on that junk).
Yes in the 20/30s money was short but the RAF focused on strategic bombing and not on Naval/Army cooperation. Beatty who sat on the joint committy and was initially in favour on an independent force later opposed this when he saw what the RN was left with. Though how much of this was the personality of Trenchard we can only guess, centrally the Germans made a much better job of it
Bit in Bold We already do have common flying schools. As I said in a previous post the RAF trains all Fast Jet pilots. And all the services Helicopter pilots train under one roof at RAF Shawbury.
Yes I was agreeing with the concept, saying even if you had no RAF the new RFC/RNAS should share common resources.
Where have you got this idea from that the RAF are interfering in the Wildcat purchase. Perhaps if you understood the dynamics of Joint Force Helicopter you would realise helicopters from all three services (with exceptions-like SAR and Ship based Helos) are nominally placed under the Army Chain of Command, with a flag officer from any of the three services in command of JFH. In fact the current commander is an Admiral.
I didn't say any of this, I just said it has no relevance to the RAF.
The Army does everything on the land, the Navy does everything at sea, and the RAF does everything in the air. Simplees right??
In the past century the lines have blurred as to who does what and continue to do so (The Marines, the RAF Regiment, the FAA, AAC, and the RLCs landing craft are all examples of this). This idea that the RAF is playing 'games' constantly is also ridiculus-its the nations Air Force, here to defend the nation, be a force for good etc....it doesn't exist to play 'games' with the other three services. And at the end of the day, when the perverbial hits the air conditioning, all three services would be expected to work together to reach the aim set by the Govt.
There was a reported case in the 60s where the RAF change the distance between Singapore and OZ to say they could cover with F111(or maybe TSR2) was what Hambo was referring to.
I think a Nick Cook, of Janes sums up my view nicely, even if he was responding to Col Tim Collins anti-RAF rant:
Its a often quoted line I know, but he says it far better than I ever could.
This is not about the operational application of Airpower it is about the strategic direction. The USN have very similar concerns with the creation of the USAF & A Bomb and the cancellation of the USS United States, but the Korean Wars showed the weakeness of relying on land based and opend the door to the Forrestal
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