I think I'd like to see something from a credible source as this is incorrect terminolgy.
PAK-FA / T-50: Russian 5th Generation Fighter
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Todjaeger
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From the quoted article, it is a total of 16 hardpoints, 8 of which are internal... Therefore the other 8 are external hardpoints. IMO that should be feasible.I agree with gf0012.
16 hardpoints and 8 internal hardpoint..
That Pak-Fa would have to be huge..
What makes the source questionable to my mind is the quoted range of 5,500 km... Is that supposed to be the ferry range? On internal fuel, with droptanks, what? I suspect that is either the ferry range, or carrying the max load of droptanks, and not an actual combat configuration.
Sort of brings to mind when Oz media reported a driver was rampaging around in a tank, knocking down cell towers. It was actually an FV432 APC... The media did not know enough to realise there was a difference.
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Haavarla
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Yes.
But anyway how you turn this, 16 hardpoints including 8 internal.. well it sounds huge to me.
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Hence my discomfort at the accuracy of the reporting. You don't have something like "nn" internal hardpoints - when internal they're referred to as mounts because unless they're back to back and inline they will be on ejectors, rotary dispensers and/or carousels.
if these were inline and individually mounted and not requiring displacement mechanisms before ejection, then the internal carriage would be huge.
so are they eight full sized BVR or WVR type weapons? (size counts)
etc etc.....
This is all poorly translated from Russian. In Russian the word подвеска refers to pretty much any type of general weapons mount.
I'm guessing part of the ambiguity is intentional, as they're building suspense. They do have to market this thing... and that includes marketing it to the public in general.
I'm guessing part of the ambiguity is intentional, as they're building suspense. They do have to market this thing... and that includes marketing it to the public in general.
A quick update, apparently ground tests are continuing. It hasn't exploded yet. The first test flight will take place "very soon". It will either take place in Moscow, at LII Gromov or at KnAAPO.
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The flight may even take place before the new year. So just out of curiosity, how much will we able to tell about it's LO characteristics from photos of the airframe, and a relatively vague official description?
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The flight may even take place before the new year. So just out of curiosity, how much will we able to tell about it's LO characteristics from photos of the airframe, and a relatively vague official description?
Haavarla
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Well some points of interest is the air intakes and how the engine nozzle is placed(distance between etc etc).
How the weapons bays are configured, the canopy, the wings and basicly how big(fat) the airframe is..
My bet are that the Pak-Fa airframe will be somewhat wider vs the F-22.
On the LO caracteristic, it is only natural to compair the Pak-Fa photos with the F-22A since we don't have any other point of reference..
I must admitt i'm pretty excited here
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Complexity of wing design, eg whether blended, whether it follows basically all other LO manned and unmanned designs even though all the US designs have been generationally and conceptually different at each release, they all have one common element. I'll be curious to see whether the russians include that "feature"
presence of s bend inlets, whether they're proud or guarded
presence of shock ramps if s bends not present
scattered panel fit
tail, whether skegs are canted inward, outward etc... angle of cant
presence of hard points (immediately signal disruptive)
cleanness of design
c0ckpit treatment
whether refueling port is aft or forward of the pit
top and frontal aspects will give off clues
plasmahawk
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TAIL: http://www.testpilot.ru/russia/mikoyan/mfi/img/mfi-s37.jpg - since the mfi and berkut are the base test beds, I would say that Tail would be outward canted, see the picture,
PORT: Front of Pit,
HARDPOINTS: 16 listed, 8 internal 8 external, hopefully hardpoints can be designed like landing gear and fold inwards outwards nicely, otherwise it would be completely useless to have them as they would damage the lo of the airplane
BLENDED WING: Is a must, I think suggesting that a blended wing or a partial blended wing would not appear is like saying, that the PAK-FA will be a Mig-21 lookalike.
Blended and Partial Blended, has been a cruicial feature of maneuverabily on Mig 29 and SU 27 series, interestingly that feature was not used in the western equivalents, ie F-16, but it was used in the F15.
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In mother russia, the forum trolls you,
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PS: here is an interesting picture: hey tail is outward canted!
http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/attachments/Mon_0908/27_104965_ba51c80c45e00da.jpg
Nope, mine has been on technical generalities regarding LO sig management.
I'm not prepared to make any further technical comment until I see the plane in a number of aspects.
eg the other posters commentary about design relationship to the stillborn Mig and the Berkut is absolute speculation. Sukhoi themselves state that the Berkut concept was bypassed by design advances - and its far from LO, in fact I'd argue that it would radiate more than an Su-34 due to design flaws
paralay.iboards.ru/download/file.php?id=6718&mode=view
According to some guy, who presumably has some relation to PAK-FA (or at least seen him) (yeah, i see how "reliable" all this sounds), "it is him".
Anyway, latest pictures/speculations confirm that, as expected, it wont have revolutionary design. Emphasis is made on overall efficiency, not LO (although it's also included).
According to some guy, who presumably has some relation to PAK-FA (or at least seen him) (yeah, i see how "reliable" all this sounds), "it is him".
Anyway, latest pictures/speculations confirm that, as expected, it wont have revolutionary design. Emphasis is made on overall efficiency, not LO (although it's also included).
I think I'd like to see an official photo. The floor on that image is "tiled" - ie it's a tiled windows image
Scorpion82
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That image is known for quite some time now, just another fan art nothing else.
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