Indian Army News and Discussion

[aaaditya]

I dont get it isnt the Indian Army building a Combat Aviation Brigade and for which is the only armed platform going to be the WSI Dhruv ?? Its just weird logic or no logic. Do you know if the Paratroopers or the NSG has acquired its own dedicated Air Assets

the paratroopers and the nsg were till now using the indian air force mi-17's,however indian governement has already placed orders for the c-130' from usa(6 aircrafts),and have issued tenders for a heavy transport helicopter,they are also planning to acquire the c-17 globemaster-3 as a replacement for the il-76,initial order is likely to be for 10 aircrafts,indian air force has also acquired the ah-101 the vip version of eh-101 which can also be modified for troop transport role,besides these the indian border scurity force operates mi-17's and embraer lagacies .

indian army's operation of only heavy transport helicopters or the lack of a true attack helicopter is nothing new,take for example whose attack helicopter roles were met by the weaponsied version of the dauphins and s-70 black hawks,it is only now that the chinese governement is focussing on dedicated attack helicopter programmes(wz-10).

 

[dragonfire]

the paratroopers and the nsg were till now using the indian air force mi-17's,however indian governement has already placed orders for the c-130' from usa(6 aircrafts),and have issued tenders for a heavy transport helicopter,they are also planning to acquire the c-17 globemaster-3 as a replacement for the il-76,initial order is likely to be for 10 aircrafts,indian air force has also acquired the ah-101 the vip version of eh-101 which can also be modified for troop transport role,besides these the indian border scurity force operates mi-17's and embraer lagacies .

They should have Dhruvs esp for Urban environs. I dont think the NSG has been given Dedicated air assets yet. Maybe Dhruvs with Machine guns would be a good option

indian army's operation of only heavy transport helicopters or the lack of a true attack helicopter is nothing new,take for example whose attack helicopter roles were met by the weaponsied version of the dauphins and s-70 black hawks,it is only now that the chinese governement is focussing on dedicated attack helicopter programmes(wz-10).

By that rationale Pakistan Army operates dedicated attack choppers. Most modern armies do. My vote would go for the IA to have dedicated Attack choppers- heavy or otherwise, but attack platforms and not armed tactical helos, it is required to play roles COAS, Anti Armour, Infantry support, Escort role, Anti Enemy helo role etc

 

[shag]

They should have Dhruvs esp for Urban environs. I dont think the NSG has been given Dedicated air assets yet. Maybe Dhruvs with Machine guns would be a good option


By that rationale Pakistan Army operates dedicated attack choppers. Most modern armies do. My vote would go for the IA to have dedicated Attack choppers- heavy or otherwise, but attack platforms and not armed tactical helos, it is required to play roles COAS, Anti Armour, Infantry support, Escort role, Anti Enemy helo role etc

You do realize that the army aviation brigade operates crocodiles right?
I believe its a combo of 25s and 35s but they are not of any use in the north east. I dont think a dedicated heavy attack chopper is the critical need right now, considering that we can easily dominate Pakistan conventionally with our current resources. We need to improve our defences in north east for which HU of LCH kind will be very handy!

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sorry the wrong post got quoted!

 

[shag]

btw, I am really curious to see what LCH will look like. If anyone has ay ideas please mention s. They have gotten really ultra secretive with this project. Apparently there is a prototype flying around but no one has even seen pictures! All we see are mockups! Can't wait for the first public flight this december!(hopefully)

 

[aaaditya]

btw, I am really curious to see what LCH will look like. If anyone has ay ideas please mention s. They have gotten really ultra secretive with this project. Apparently there is a prototype flying around but no one has even seen pictures! All we see are mockups! Can't wait for the first public flight this december!(hopefully)

hey buddy here is the image of the lca along with some of its details from wikipedia,this image was taken during one of the aero-india shows.

File:Lch.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

also for info on the lch:

File:Lch.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediahttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/Lch.jpg

 

[aaaditya]

btw, I am really curious to see what LCH will look like. If anyone has ay ideas please mention s. They have gotten really ultra secretive with this project. Apparently there is a prototype flying around but no one has even seen pictures! All we see are mockups! Can't wait for the first public flight this december!(hopefully)

as of now there are no prototypes flying,the first flight has been delayed due to weight issues,the helicopter is as of now heavy by about 580 kgs,the first flight which was to have been carried out some time in late 2009 has been postponed to early 2010,a full scale mockup was displayed in the aero india show.however most of the sub components are being tested in the wsi-dhruv,the gun is a nexter THL-20mm cannon and is common for both the lch and wsi dhruv.

 

[dragonfire]

You do realize that the army aviation brigade operates crocodiles right?
I believe its a combo of 25s and 35s but they are not of any use in the north east. I dont think a dedicated heavy attack chopper is the critical need right now, considering that we can easily dominate Pakistan conventionally with our current resources. We need to improve our defences in north east for which HU of LCH kind will be very handy!

The Indian Army doesnt operate any Mi-25/35, there are 20 of those with the IAF not the Army, i believe wiki is is wrong on this aspect - if tht's your source. I dont think its a critical need but a requirement all the same. Its just embarrasing for one of the biggest armies in the world not to have a attack helicopter, apart from the real issues that is

The Army aviation's combat aviation brigade is being created and i think the WSI Dhruv is the best addition so far, apart from which the Army also operates armed Mi-8/17s and some lightly (i kid u not - it very lightly) armed Cheetahs

 

[dragonfire]

The Indian Army is on the lookout for Advanced Armoured Personal Carriers, this aparently after being impressed by the Strykers used by the US forces in the recently concluded Yudh Abhyas joint excercise series.

The requirements are

a. A Modern APC
b. Sea and Air Portable
c. Night Fightig capabilities
d. NBC Protection

Army looks for advanced armoured personnel carriers - India - The Times of India

 

[shag]

as of now there are no prototypes flying,the first flight has been delayed due to weight issues,the helicopter is as of now heavy by about 580 kgs,the first flight which was to have been carried out some time in late 2009 has been postponed to early 2010,a full scale mockup was displayed in the aero india show.however most of the sub components are being tested in the wsi-dhruv,the gun is a nexter THL-20mm cannon and is common for both the lch and wsi dhruv.

My bad I didn't mean flying around. Just that there is obviously a prototype around since the flight date is december! still no pics!

 

[aaaditya]

The Indian Army is on the lookout for Advanced Armoured Personal Carriers, this aparently after being impressed by the Strykers used by the US forces in the recently concluded Yudh Abhyas joint excercise series.

The requirements are

a. A Modern APC
b. Sea and Air Portable
c. Night Fightig capabilities
d. NBC Protection

Army looks for advanced armoured personnel carriers - India - The Times of India

indian army is in an overdrive of acquisition,first 300 light tanks and now armoured personnel carriers.

i wish they would go in for the cv90-40 apc and the cv-90-120 light tank combination and acquire the rooikat for the wheeled light tank version.

 

[dragonfire]

indian army is in an overdrive of acquisition,first 300 light tanks and now armoured personnel carriers.

i wish they would go in for the cv90-40 apc and the cv-90-120 light tank combination and acquire the rooikat for the wheeled light tank version.

They are also acquiring additional sqdns of Akash SAMs. The Akash SAMs and Light tanks will be deployed on the Indo-China border and these decisions have been based on the recent escalations in the relationship India and China. Am sure the Army has recently evaluated its defence capabilities in this sector or the study was done earlier, eitherways with the escalation the Army is gettng the CCS on giving it the toys it needs.

I am glad IA is looking for new APCs, we have not been acquiring any APCs or IFVs except for the MPVs there havent been any new acquisitions. India should have a modernized force with a lot of APCs and IFVs with current technology in defensive and offesnsive capabilities, it can eventualy help in reducing the size of the standing Army

Good choices by the way

Will the Akash SAM get further orders ?, it seems like a capable platform

 

[aaaditya]

They are also acquiring additional sqdns of Akash SAMs. The Akash SAMs and Light tanks will be deployed on the Indo-China border and these decisions have been based on the recent escalations in the relationship India and China. Am sure the Army has recently evaluated its defence capabilities in this sector or the study was done earlier, eitherways with the escalation the Army is gettng the CCS on giving it the toys it needs.

I am glad IA is looking for new APCs, we have not been acquiring any APCs or IFVs except for the MPVs there havent been any new acquisitions. India should have a modernized force with a lot of APCs and IFVs with current technology in defensive and offesnsive capabilities, it can eventualy help in reducing the size of the standing Army

Good choices by the way

Will the Akash SAM get further orders ?, it seems like a capable platform

iam quite sure indian army will acquire more akash sam,s ,i beleve that the akash ,spyder ,tungushka and the barak-8 will form the prime components of the indian army's air defence network,and between them they fill all the gaps by covering almost all threats at all altitudes and ranges.

 

[dragonfire]

iam quite sure indian army will acquire more akash sam,s ,i beleve that the akash ,spyder ,tungushka and the barak-8 will form the prime components of the indian army's air defence network,and between them they fill all the gaps by covering almost all threats at all altitudes and ranges.

Yeah but including the latest order the Army has ordered only 6 batteries of Akash SAMs. The system was tested succesfuly 5 times out of 5 trials, it should be deployed in additional numbers. The army chief recently inked a 1.1 Billion Barack deal with Israel, maybe we can same some $$ with the domestic orders. Besides would the air force and navy be interested in this platform

 

[aaaditya]

Yeah but including the latest order the Army has ordered only 6 batteries of Akash SAMs. The system was tested succesfuly 5 times out of 5 trials, it should be deployed in additional numbers. The army chief recently inked a 1.1 Billion Barack deal with Israel, maybe we can same some $$ with the domestic orders. Besides would the air force and navy be interested in this platform

barak and akash are completely different systems ,they are intended to complement one another rather than replace one another,barak will take care of targets at ranges beyond akash's 25kms.

 

[kay_man]

barak and akash are completely different systems ,they are intended to complement one another rather than replace one another,barak will take care of targets at ranges beyond akash's 25kms.

correct.
akash is a short rance missile system.
barak 1 is a medium range missile system.
and barak 2 being co-developed by india and israel is a long range missile system which can be used land as well as for ships. range 100 kms+

 

[dragonfire]

barak and akash are completely different systems ,they are intended to complement one another rather than replace one another,barak will take care of targets at ranges beyond akash's 25kms.

correct.
akash is a short rance missile system.
barak 1 is a medium range missile system.
and barak 2 being co-developed by india and israel is a long range missile system which can be used land as well as for ships. range 100 kms+

I am aware of the ranges on the Barak. I was just pointing to the fact that if Akash is a potent system then we should deploy in larger numbers. Also you guys know what number/units were procured in the latest deal ?

 

[aaaditya]

correct.
akash is a short rance missile system.
barak 1 is a medium range missile system.
and barak 2 being co-developed by india and israel is a long range missile system which can be used land as well as for ships. range 100 kms+

i think barak 1 has a range of 9-12 kms while the akash has a range of 25 kms.barak is intended for point defence and the akash i believe can be used for area defence.

 

[kay_man]

i think barak 1 has a range of 9-12 kms while the akash has a range of 25 kms.barak is intended for point defence and the akash i believe can be used for area defence.

Oh Crap.
I confused the barak system with the Maitri sytem.
the Maitri missile is supposed to have a range of 60 kms ...isn't it?
havent heard anything about it for some time now.

 

[kay_man]

good new for akash.....i mean the missile

Business Standard, 7th Nov 09
DRDO Missile Complex, Hyderabad

India’s long-criticised Akash anti-aircraft missile is now blazing towards success. Its counterparts in the DRDO’s Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme, the Prithvi and Agni ballistic missiles, were on target from the start; the anti-tank Nag missile will also enter service shortly; the Trishul short-range anti-aircraft missile was abandoned unceremoniously. Now, after years of rejection from the military, the Akash is being accepted as a world-class missile.

The IAF’s order last year for two Akash squadrons --- dismissed by sceptics as a face-saving burial for the Akash programme --- has just been doubled with a fresh IAF order for 16 more launchers that will be stationed in northeast India. And now, Business Standard has accessed even better news for the Akash programme: the Indian Army is considering ordering several Akash squadrons for its ground forces.

awsome news. the army is finally seeing the light.

 

[aaaditya]

Oh Crap.
I confused the barak system with the Maitri sytem.
the Maitri missile is supposed to have a range of 60 kms ...isn't it?
havent heard anything about it for some time now.

you are confused again,the maitri was supposed to be a joint development between drdo of india and mbda of france for shorad missile intended to replace the trishul,this missile was to combine the features of vls mica(i believe the seaker). and the indian trishul.

barak-8 is the missile intended to have a range of 70+ kms and was to be joint development between india and israel.