PAK-FA / T-50: Russian 5th Generation Fighter
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Scorpion82:
As far as I recall they were talking about the Mig-29K destined for India. Basically they said something like "If they are not paying (for the increased carrier refit costs), we can just as well induct the Migs on our own carrier". Just part of the theatrics around the Gorshkov-deal and not to be taken too serious, I suppose.
Scorpion about airframe no154 - totally right. But as I was saidthey took only airframe and made some changes in it. The explanation of such choice was easy - lack of money when the project started in the end of 90s, designers decided that there is no need in absolutely new airframe.
And I've searched for info about MiG-29K for RuNAVY - njthing found, if you have links then please post them
And I've searched for info about MiG-29K for RuNAVY - njthing found, if you have links then please post them
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNVF3ZzdMX8"]Mig 29K on the carrier[/ame]
Salty Dog and what do you want to say by this video?? that MiG-29K was tested on Kuznetsov or what?
If first - then yes. The prototype was biult in the middle of 80s but lost to Su-33. But somebody decided to have a lighter AC on the carrier and it was decided to produce also MiG-29K. But MiG-29K was not really produced serially until India's order. There were only test AC. Also on Kuznetsov there is Su-25UTG - only one test and training AC
If first - then yes. The prototype was biult in the middle of 80s but lost to Su-33. But somebody decided to have a lighter AC on the carrier and it was decided to produce also MiG-29K. But MiG-29K was not really produced serially until India's order. There were only test AC. Also on Kuznetsov there is Su-25UTG - only one test and training AC
I posted the video as you had asked for a link on Mig-29K info. I agree that the Su-33 won over the Mig-29K as it best served RuN requirements for carrier aviation.
AFAIK the Mig-29K was offered to India as part of the ex-Gorshkov upgrade project. This leads me to believe the ex-Gorshkov may not be able to operate the heavier Su-33 due to its weight as the ex-Gorshkov is a Kiev class (vice Kuznetsov) and may be flight deck limited.
Even if the Mig-29K is newer then the Su-33, I do not see them fulfilling RuN requirements.
powerslavenegi
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Gorshkov cannot operate the Flanker class aircraft to be precise Su-33....period .Infact its ski jump has been altered for launching and recovering the Mig-29K ordered by the Indian Navy.
I have my doubts the ex-Gorshkov is able to operate with the Su-33 due to weight limitations. The Kiev class operated the Yak-38 which was about 11,300 kg. The Mig-29K is about 18,550 kg and the Su-33 29,940 kg. Those are considerable weight differences and would require structural changes to accommodate the increased weight especially for arrested landing (where the flight deck takes additional stress from the "controlled crash" landing.)
A while back their was a comment from an Indian Admiral or something say that the span of the Flanker made it very tight to launch
Crusader2000
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I also read recently that Russia was going to order Mig-29K's. (can't remember the source. Yet, I'll see if I can find it?) Which, makes you wonder if Russia isn't trying to get the ex-Gorshkov back from India. As it has brand new Mig-29K's in production. Which, India paid for by the way! 
This in turn would give Russia two large Carriers with new fighters to operate from............
This in turn would give Russia two large Carriers with new fighters to operate from............
Haavarla
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I also read recently that Russia was going to order Mig-29K's. (can't remember the source. Yet, I'll see if I can find it?) Which, makes you wonder if Russia isn't trying to get the ex-Gorshkov back from India. As it has brand new Mig-29K's in production. Which, India paid for by the way!
Nope..
The Su-33 will be replaced with the newer Mig-29K.
But when i don't know.
I don't think there has been signed any contract on between DoD & VVS Mig-29, but reports suggest there will be a contract in the near future.
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Its in Russian.
The only reason why Su-33 was chosen over MiG-29K was Sukhoi political clout. MiG-29K had more modern (at that time) radar (N010), better ECM and RWR equipment, was compatible with R-77 and PGMs. Also, Su-27K/33 cannot take off with a full fuel load, therefore, Flanker's advantage in range and payload is questionable.
Thanks
Crusader2000
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The original Mig-29K has little in common with today's Mig-29K that is being sold to India. Totally different animals.
Crusader2000
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Clearly, purchasing new Mig-29K's off shelf. Makes far more sense than upgrading existing Su-33's or developing and building new models.
Of course if India would back out of the deal with Russia over the ex-Gorshkov. Russia could field two large Aircraft Carriers with modern wings made up of Mig-29K's. Personally, I think the idea is far more plausible than some would like to admit.
Especially, considering Russia want to expand its Carrier Fleet. Yet, doesn't have the resources needed to design and develop new Carriers for sometime.
Not sure ho reliable this is, but have some interesting pics and details.
http://igorrgroup.blogspot.com/2009/10/outlines-of-pak-fa.html
The weapons and sensors looks good, but hopefully it doesnt look anything like that. Doesnt look good.
something extra:
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1478066&postcount=319
http://igorrgroup.blogspot.com/2009/10/outlines-of-pak-fa.html
The weapons and sensors looks good, but hopefully it doesnt look anything like that. Doesnt look good.
something extra:
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1478066&postcount=319
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Its out!.. it has made taxi runs, well at least as this website puts it. :
The Russian future fifth generation future fighter, the future tactical aircraft aviation complex (PAK FA) , has made its first taxi runs at the Komsomol'sk-on-Amur Aviation Production Association (KnAAPO) airfield, Interfax reports referring to a source in the aircraft industry. When in particular the airplane's roll out took place and its tests began is not being specified.
After the roll-out, the airman started the engines and the airplane began moving along the runway. During the taxi run, the PAK FA was braked several times. Two taxi runs were made in all. Only KnAAPO employees observed the test. As is expected, the PAK FA will make several more taxi runs before the end of 2009, and make first flight in January 2010.
Earlier Russia's vice premier, Sergey Ivanov, announced that the tests of the Russian fifth generation fighter will begin at the end of 2009 - start of 2010. The deputy defense minister, Vladimir Popovkin, announced in mid-September 2009, that the PAK FA, also known as the T-50 and "Article 701," will begin to reach the Russian air force inventory from 2015.
Russia's defense ministry plans to begin PAK FA purchases after a contract has been fulfilled for the delivery of 48 generation "4++" Su-35 fighters. Russia's air force will receive the first Su-35s in 2011, and the contract for delivery will be fulfilled completely by 2015. Nothing is yet known about the quantity of PAK FA the defense ministry intends to buy.
The technical characteristics of the future Russian fighter have not been reported officially. Preliminarily, the PAK FA will be able to develop a speed to 2,100 kilometers per hour. The airplane's flight range will be 5,500 kilometers. The airplane's armament may be represented by a 30-milimeter cannon. The PAK FA will have 16 hardpoints, including 8 located inside the fuselage.
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The Russian future fifth generation future fighter, the future tactical aircraft aviation complex (PAK FA) , has made its first taxi runs at the Komsomol'sk-on-Amur Aviation Production Association (KnAAPO) airfield, Interfax reports referring to a source in the aircraft industry. When in particular the airplane's roll out took place and its tests began is not being specified.
After the roll-out, the airman started the engines and the airplane began moving along the runway. During the taxi run, the PAK FA was braked several times. Two taxi runs were made in all. Only KnAAPO employees observed the test. As is expected, the PAK FA will make several more taxi runs before the end of 2009, and make first flight in January 2010.
Earlier Russia's vice premier, Sergey Ivanov, announced that the tests of the Russian fifth generation fighter will begin at the end of 2009 - start of 2010. The deputy defense minister, Vladimir Popovkin, announced in mid-September 2009, that the PAK FA, also known as the T-50 and "Article 701," will begin to reach the Russian air force inventory from 2015.
Russia's defense ministry plans to begin PAK FA purchases after a contract has been fulfilled for the delivery of 48 generation "4++" Su-35 fighters. Russia's air force will receive the first Su-35s in 2011, and the contract for delivery will be fulfilled completely by 2015. Nothing is yet known about the quantity of PAK FA the defense ministry intends to buy.
The technical characteristics of the future Russian fighter have not been reported officially. Preliminarily, the PAK FA will be able to develop a speed to 2,100 kilometers per hour. The airplane's flight range will be 5,500 kilometers. The airplane's armament may be represented by a 30-milimeter cannon. The PAK FA will have 16 hardpoints, including 8 located inside the fuselage.
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