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aaaditya

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hey guys,the latest news is that the governement of india has sanctioned the construction of 7 p-17a class of frigates at a cost of rs 45000 crores .all 7 warships are to be built in india ,by garden reach shipbuilders and engineers limited in kolkata ,these vessles will be built to a foreign design and are likely to have a very high degree of stealth and a 5600 ton displacement.

the companies which have offered their designs are dcn of france,izar of spain,south korea,and germany.

i beleive the selected company will also serve as the project consultant as well as for the upgradation of the port facilities.
 
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aaaditya said:
the companies which have offered their designs are dcn of france,izar of spain,south korea,and germany.
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Izar is now Navantia which has the F-100 and Nansen classes frigate projects. Perhaps Aegis has a future in the IN?!
 
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tphuang

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aaaditya said:
hey guys,the latest news is that the governement of india has sanctioned the construction of 7 p-17a class of frigates at a cost of rs 45000 crores .all 7 warships are to be built in india ,by garden reach shipbuilders and engineers limited in kolkata ,these vessles will be built to a foreign design and are likely to have a very high degree of stealth and a 5600 ton displacement.

the companies which have offered their designs are dcn of france,izar of spain,south korea,and germany.

i beleive the selected company will also serve as the project consultant as well as for the upgradation of the port facilities.
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if i'm calculating correctly, that is $9,370,119,729, meaning it would cost $1.3 billion per ship, can that be right? I don't even think DDG-51 costs that much. Does that include the weapon cost like the VLS?
How does that compare to Shivalik class?
 
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tphuang said:
if i'm calculating correctly, that is $9,370,119,729, meaning it would cost $1.3 billion per ship, can that be right? I don't even think DDG-51 costs that much. Does that include the weapon cost like the VLS?
How does that compare to Shivalik class?
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You got the conversion right, unless i got it wrong. 1.3 Billion is about the cost of a DDG51 or T45 i'm fairly sure. Its really strange though, since the Kolkate class destroyers supposedly cost $317 million USD each.
 
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dragonfire

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The Shivalik class (type-17) frigates cost about 650 Million $ apiece. The Type-17a with improved stealth feature a la the La Fayette. will cost about 900 Million $ apiece/ 4000 Crore Rupees (1 Crore = 10 Million), however there's another 17000 Crore being budget - no clues why (7*4000 = 28000).

At 45000 Crore Rupees, it's the single biggest defence deal from India. This deal has generated so less media attention or publicity as compared to the 40000 Cr MMRCA deal. Perhaps beacuse it's not a competition. The order has already been placed with GRSE and MDL. The only conrtoversy type thing about the news is that the IN had asked the DefMin to construct the first two ships abroad with some foriegn shipyard as the construction has to incorporate the modular construction method and which is not being practised in the said shipyards currently. However the DefMin and the shipyards have won the round with all ships to be constructed in India itself. Another argument raised was that the ships being constructed will incorporate the latest in stealth tech and therefore it was better for safety reasons for it to be built in India

Construction will start in 2011 (the Shipyards need to be upgraded first) and delivery will extend till 2020
 
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tphuang said:
if i'm calculating correctly, that is $9,370,119,729, meaning it would cost $1.3 billion per ship, can that be right? I don't even think DDG-51 costs that much. Does that include the weapon cost like the VLS?
How does that compare to Shivalik class?
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There was an interesting article about these ships over on Galrahn's blog.

Information Dissemination: Project 17A of Indian Navy

One question I do have is are the shipyard upgrades covered in the cost of these ships? If so that may explain it.
 
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funtz

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AegisFC said:
There was an interesting article about these ships over on Galrahn's blog.

Information Dissemination: Project 17A of Indian Navy

One question I do have is are the shipyard upgrades covered in the cost of these ships? If so that may explain it.
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some time back there was this interview in a magazine
FORCE November 2008
Controller of Warship Production and Acquisition, Vice Admiral Dilip Deshpande AVSM

How much money is the navy giving for the modernisation of the defence shipyards?

We are spending about Rs 400 crore for the modernisation of MDL and a little less for the GRSE and the GSL. In all, I would say that the amount spent on modernisation would be about Rs 1,000 crore. The money is not given separately, but is in-built in the project funding. For example, when we ordered Project 17 on MDL — part of the funds allocated was meant for modernisation. Similarly, we allocated certain funds as part of Scorpene project also. In totality, the major part of shipyard modernisation is for infrastructure development such as increasing crane capacities, creation of workshops, wet basins/dry docks commensurate to production line.
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tphuang

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You're correct - one of our "lurking Mods" :)
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yeah, I'm really guity of not spending more time here, sorry Garry.

We are spending about Rs 400 crore for the modernisation of MDL and a little less for the GRSE and the GSL. In all, I would say that the amount spent on modernisation would be about Rs 1,000 crore. The money is not given separately, but is in-built in the project funding. For example, when we ordered Project 17 on MDL — part of the funds allocated was meant for modernisation. Similarly, we allocated certain funds as part of Scorpene project also. In totality, the major part of shipyard modernisation is for infrastructure development such as increasing crane capacities, creation of workshops, wet basins/dry docks commensurate to production line.
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There are something wrong with this. The Navy should be sending out RFP to local shipyards who bid for contracts. And it's up to the shipyards to take out loans or using cash reserves to pay for modernization. And then after modernization, they can do the project + future projects + take on more advanced civilian projects. It forces the most ambitious + competitive + efficient shipyards to get the contracts in the long run. This produces efficiency. If you give shipyards contract + money to modernize, they are just going to take things for granted -> not competitive in the long run.
 
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swerve

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The "something wrong" is that they're all state shipyards. They're not bidding for work, it's being parcelled out on a political basis. Almost all Indian military development, production, & support is done by state agencies. Some are owned by the Ministry of Defence.

I've proposed before now that India should sell off its state-owned military industries (it can exclude some buyers, & keep reserved rights, for national security). It could then follow your very sensible proposals, not just in shipbuilding, but also armoured vehicles, aircraft, small arms, artillery, ammunition, missiles . . . . everything.
 
Systems Adict

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Was there not word of BAE coming to India to 'help' on a few projects ?

Maybe they could use some of BVT's expertise to help 'stir' things up??


SA :vamp
 
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funtz

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swerve said:
The "something wrong" is that they're all state shipyards. They're not bidding for work, it's being parcelled out on a political basis. Almost all Indian military development, production, & support is done by state agencies. Some are owned by the Ministry of Defence.

I've proposed before now that India should sell off its state-owned military industries (it can exclude some buyers, & keep reserved rights, for national security). It could then follow your very sensible proposals, not just in shipbuilding, but also armoured vehicles, aircraft, small arms, artillery, ammunition, missiles . . . . everything.
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Its very difficult to enact such reforms in defence, the government has a difficult enough time reforming other sectors as it is.

while more compitition is coming up in this sector (L&T ship building etc.) i would not bet on things improving by much in the next decade.
 
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