Russia to get SU-35 by 2011

[Haavarla]

Well, I did say small numbers................I would consider ~48-72 as small.

Ok, here we go

I sincerely doubt that..........as production didn't even start until the 1980's and went on for many many years. Further, after the end of the Cold War and the Break-Up of the USSR. Russia hardly had to funds to fly most of them.........plenty of hours left!

You know Crusader, that when these Su-27 begin to show structural stress and corrosion on the airframes like many of the Mig-29's.

There aren't really much you could do with them.

You practicaly need to rebuilt the plane and scrap a whole lot of the old pecies, it would be so costly they woldn't even bother..

Hense, there is only one alternative left!
Order new aircraft.


You know the difference between the
Legasy Su-27 and the SM are BIG in terms of Avionics/radar performance.
Legasy Su-27 have some shortcommings against some of the upgraded
F15/16/18 out there..
In that respect 2 Regiments of SM are not that much..

Hense, there is only two alternative left!
Order new aircraft or/and upgrade.

So 7 Regiment of Su-27 left, that would be 168#.
And i bet some are not in that great shape, so the readyness are maybe at60%.
Hell, there are soon more F-22A than Russian Flankers out there.

Hense, there is only one alternative left!
Order new aircraft.

I suspect that those 24-26 of Su-33 are due for an upgrade soon, their airframe couldn't be that old, and i imagine more powerfull engines are in need for better takeoff performance(more weapons).
(Eighter that or they will be replaced by newer Mig-29K's..)

"The Su-33 first flew in May 1985, and entered service in the Russian Navy in 1994. An air regiment comprising 24 fighters of the type was formed upon the Russian Navy’s only operating aircraft carrier, Admiral Kuznetsov."




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[Feanor]

Actually from what I understand the SM upgrade doesn't replace the radar. Just throws in R-77 capability on the N001. It also adds multi-role capability and upgrades some of the avionics. That's it. Even the official VVS claims are that it improves combat effectiveness by 20-30%. It's not a major upgrade. On the other hand it involves a full overhaul and repairs (Капремонт is the Russian term) and does improve at least some aspects.

 

[Haavarla]

Actually from what I understand the SM upgrade doesn't replace the radar. Just throws in R-77 capability on the N001. It also adds multi-role capability and upgrades some of the avionics. That's it. Even the official VVS claims are that it improves combat effectiveness by 20-30%. It's not a major upgrade. On the other hand it involves a full overhaul and repairs (Капремонт is the Russian term) and does improve at least some aspects.

Stop messing with my post Feanor:

But seriously.
There have been some small periodicaly upgrades conserning the radars on Su-27 up the history.

Now i expect those Su-27 chosen for SM upgrades to have been some of the oldest and least upgraded in radar and avionics in general.

That being said, there could very well be a unknown number of Su-27's with the newer improved N001V radar with phased array antenna installed..

Edit: One of the New features the improved N001V have is an narrow angel scan mode that increase the search range, i'm not sure if it also improve the target/lock range too?
This is one of the new features that the BAR's on those Su-30MKI don't have at the moment.

Systems & Avionics

The basic Su-27 is fitted with the SUV-27 fire control system, which incorporates the RLPK-27 radar sighting system, OEPS-27 electro-optical sighting system, SEI-31 integrated indication system, IFF interrogator and built-in test system. The fire control system in integrated with the PNK-10 flight navigation system, radio command link, IFF system, data transmission equipment and EW self-defence system.
The RLPK-27 system and is controlled by the Ts-100 digital computer and includes the N001 pulse-Doppler lookdown-capable radar with a range of 80-100 km in the front hemisphere and 30-40 km in the rear hemispehere for a fighter-sized target. It can simultaneously track up to ten aerial targets in track-while-scan mode and provide interception of the top priority target.
The OEPS-27 electro-optical sighting system consist of the OLS-27 infrared/laser search-and-track system (IRST) and the Shchel-3UM helmet-mounted target designator and is controlled by the Ts-100 digital computer. The OLS-27 sensor is placed forward of the cockpit canopy in the centre. The system acquires and tracks aerial targets by their thermal signatures. The helmet-mounted sight and the laser range finder of the IRST can also be used to visually acquire and determine coordinates of air and surface targets.
The SEI-31 integrated indication system provides flight, navigation and sighting data on the ILS-31 head-up display (HUD) and CRT. The EW self-defence systems provides warning to the crew when illuminated by enemy radar and employs both passive and active countermeasures. The aircraft is equipped with the SPO-15 Beryoza RWR and APP-50 IR decoy dispenser. Chaff dispensers are placed in the tail section between the engine nozels. In addition, the aircraft can carry the Sorbtsiya active ECM pods on its wingtips.


Upgrading the Russian Air Force Su-27 fleet

The Russian Air Force received its first batch of upgraded Su-27s in 2006. The air force seems to have settled for the mid-life upgrade offered by KnAAPO based on the Su-30MK2, which brings the aircraft up to Su-27SM standard. The Su-27SM is equipped with an upgraded fire control system including the improved N001V radar with phased array antenna, which offers improved performance and air-to-surface mode. The new system enables the use of the RVV-AE (R-77) medium range air-to-air missile and a wide selection of guided air-to-surface bombs and missiles. Another heavily updated feature is the cockpit, which is upgraded with three MFD, new HUD, satellite receiver and new communications set. The aircraft's self-defense suite has also been upgraded.
The Russian Air Force plans to upgrade its entire fleet to Su-27SM standard, but the exact number of aircraft involved remains unclear.

The Su-27SM is based on earlier proposed upgrades for the Su-27SK export version. The Su-27SMK as it is designated has seen two attempts, with at the basis a different radar system (N001M and N001VEP respectively). China was seen as the premier customer for an upgrade package.



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[Feanor]

I.e. the upgrade the existing radar somewhat. However they do not replace it with anything new.

 

[Haavarla]

I.e. the upgrade the existing radar somewhat. However they do not replace it with anything new.

Perhaps, perhaps not.
But they do replace Radars from time to time, and it would be my guess that the Su-27s that got chosen for SM upgrades probably was some of the least upgraded with the oldest systems onboard.
That way the RuAF get more Bang for the Bucks!

You understand what i mean.

Anyway my point was that the improvments are hardly just A2G capabilities and adding e few more missile.

The new Radar N001V are better just as the many of the western radar upgrades version1-v2-v3 improve the A2A capabilities too.




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[Scorpion82]

It's the first time I read the upgraded N-001 for the Su-27SM features PESA and honestly I have my doubts. The radar offers a 130-140 km detection range, NCTR and multiple target engagement against 2 targets, R-77 support and AG modes. In the end the Su-27SM is basically a customised single seat version of the Su-30MKK/MK2 developed for China! And it is well known that these Su-30 variants are less advanced and capable than the Su-30MKI and its derivates in many respects. Funnily some russian fanboys claim that Russian officials said the Su-27SM is more capable than any other variant operated by foreign countries, including the Su-30MKI, though other Russian officials claim the opposite and the available data/info do not match those claims either. All Su-27s now in service are roughly 20 years old or more, there isn't much life left, though with the SM upgrade life is extended, it's more a temporary solution to fill the capability gap which exists since 20 years.

 

[Haavarla]

Scorpion82;173102]It's the first time I read the upgraded N-001 for the Su-27SM features PESA and honestly I have my doubts.

Your doubts are duly noted.
Edit: the later versions on those APG radar series do come with a quite staggering improvment both in software and some hardware..
"The avionics software is to be integrated in three blocks, each building on the capability of the previous block. Block 1 is primarily radar capability, but Block 1 does contain more than 50 percent of the avionics suite's full functionality source lines of code (SLOC) and provides end-to-end capability for the sensor-to-pilot data flow.
This Block 1 software enables the basic operation of the radar and its initial mode complement, including the simultaneous operation of search and track modes and systems health and maintenance or built-in-test modes."

Why is it doubtfully that a newer BAR radar version have better performance over an older version?

The radar offers a 130-140 km detection range, NCTR and multiple target engagement against 2 targets, R-77 support and AG modes.

Is this the upgraded N001V radar?
Source plz?

In the end the Su-27SM is basically a customised single seat version of the Su-30MKK/MK2 developed for China!

Big deal, it doesn't tell us anything..
The SM are much further imroved from those Su-27SK..

And it is well known that these Su-30 variants are less advanced and capable than the Su-30MKI and its derivates in many respects.

True the MKIs have a good avionic suite from other countries.
I think the last MKIs BAR radar was upgraded in 2007, anyone?

But nevertheless the Su-27SMs do have a newer version radar and with more fuel, less drag, new displays layout and possible more thrust(AL-31FM1).

I didn't mean anything by that fact that the N001V are a newer version than the N011M..
Who's got the best(MKI vs SM) does not interest me.

Funnily some russian fanboys claim that Russian officials said the Su-27SM is more capable than any other variant operated by foreign countries, including the Su-30MKI, though other Russian officials claim the opposite and the available data/info do not match those claims either.

Are you implying i'm an Russian Fanboy?
If so that are uncalled for..
B.t.w i'm not even Russian.

All Su-27s now in service are roughly 20 years old or more, there isn't much life left, though with the SM upgrade life is extended, it's more a temporary solution to fill the capability gap which exists since 20 years.

Do you have any source about the how much life hour those SMs got left?

If you already have a large(168) fleet of Su-27.
Why not upgrade it, as mention above, you get a lot of bank for the bucks.

Why do other country do the same thing with their airforce?
Better capabilities and longer life hour..

Often these upgrades are the difference between having an operating airforce, and having a bunch of aircraft grounded for obvious reasons..

Funny.. Crusader2000 claims that the Su-27 in the RuAF have such a low hours and that the SM upgrades are enough so that the they chould just wait until the PAK-FA arrives at 2017-19..


http://www.milavia.net/aircraft/su-35_su-27m/su-35_su-27m.htm

Have a peek, i don't think this site are that biased..



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[Haavarla]

Ok, i found some more stuff on the SM upgrade regarding the radar:

Here's some basic info & figures on the SU-27SM:

1. It uses a lot of the design solutions developed for the SU-30MK2

2. Sh101V fire-control system paired with a N001V radar (Baget-54 computer)

3. Detection range of the radar is 130-150km for a fighter sized target. Discriminates a target from within a group, conducts surface mapping and has other functions

4. The N001V differs from the export N001VEP in having additional operational modes....an interesting one is the " distant detection mode" (increased radar output within a narrow angle). In 2005, a SU-27SM using the "D-D" mode detected a Mig-29 at a distance of 220km.

It can engage 2 targets simultaneously compared to 1 in the export model

5. The SU-27SM is also equiped with the OLS-27M electro-optical sight with the following capability:

- Detects a fighter flying in dry thrust mode at 50km (15km in the older model)
- Detects a fighter using an afterburner at 90km (50km in the older model)

6. Currently tests are ongoing with the aim of integrating the avionics of the SU-35 with the N001V radar.

Here is some specs on the MKIs NIIP N011M Bars(Panther) radar:

"Multipurpose coherent pulsed Doppler radar N-011 Super ŽŪK has a slot antenna. It can discover and track airborne targets and ground in the background (the ability to "look up / look down) and is highly resistant to interference. Works in frequency band from 8 to 12 GHz with a pulse output of 5 kW (medium power 1 kW). The search in the horizontal plane is ± 145 ° in the vertical plane and ± 115 ° (a combination of mechanical deflection antenna and electronic beam deflection). Objectives large effective reflecting surface (EOP) can be detected at distances up to 400 km (aerial targets) or 200 km (ground targets). VC with EOP 3 m 2 is captured at a distance of 140 to 180 km in front polosfére and 60 to 70 km in the rear polosfére, PC at a distance of 130 to 170 km. You can track 15 targets and four (looking for six) of them at the same time guide missiles air-to-air (RS R & D) with poloaktívnou RL guidance system. N-011 radar can search and track and non-targets (such as helicopters in vise) and goals against the background of the earth (the ability to "look up / look down). Work may also in the navigation and mapping mode (at a distance of 250 km resolution is 5 m) to copy the terrain in the summer in the ground floor levels, most notably in the striking roles. Is to maintain the ability to fire on the VC and PC management through the air or ground guidance station. During TWS (Track while Search), in parallel with the search land or sea targets is also the most number of airborne targets."

To my understanding the two radar have about the same capabilities, but the N001V are somewhat newer.
Hens more upgraded.

Anyway my point was that the SM radar do have better radar and avionics than the older Su-27.

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[Scorpion82]

Is this the upgraded N001V radar?
Source plz?

It's the radar aboard the Su-27SM, this and some other info was reported by Piotr Butowski in an aviation magazine a few month ago.

Big deal, it doesn't tell us anything..
The SM are much further imroved from those Su-27SK..

I talked about the Su-30MKK/MK2, not the SK which is the export variant of the baseline model Su-27S.

True the MKIs have a good avionic suite from other countries.
I think the last MKIs BAR radar was upgraded in 2007, anyone?

But nevertheless the Su-27SMs do have a newer version radar and with more fuel, less drag, new displays layout and possible more thrust(AL-31FM1).

The N-001V of the Su-27SM is an upgraded version of the original N-001, the N-011M Bars is a new radar based on the N-011 which was originally developed for the Su-27M. It was first tested aboard T-10M-11 I think, though T-10M-12 was used as the primary testbed for the N-011M. For the MKI this radar was further developed incorporating some additional Indian stuff. So sorry, but I fail to see how a minior upgraded N-001 can be more capable or advanced than a new design, even when the upgrade for the old radar is newer, which it isn't AFAIK.

Are you implying i'm an Russian Fanboy?
If so that are uncalled for..
B.t.w i'm not even Russian.

No, that was a side note not related to you.


Do you have any source about the how much life hour those SMs got left?

If you already have a large(168) fleet of Su-27.
Why not upgrade it, as mention above, you get a lot of bank for the bucks.

The Russian defence budget is still quite limited for more than a decade there was almost no investment at all. The RuAF want something new which can last the next decades to come, not spend that money on extending life for some further 10 years.

Why do other country do the same thing with their airforce?
Better capabilities and longer life hour..

Everyone does it, but there is a time when further upgrading airframes makes no sense or an air force has to decide between upgrade or new procurement. Everyone who can afford it will procure new equipment if it is feasable. Other have no choice and upgrade and a very few have the resources to do both.

Funny.. Crusader2000 claims that the Su-27 in the RuAF have such a low hours and that the SM upgrades are enough so that the they chould just wait until the PAK-FA arrives at 2017-19..

Soviet equipment was never built for lasting decades, it might easily be that there are plenty airframes with low hours, but in what conditions are they? Low in which relation? As said the RuAF has quite limited resources even now and with the Su-27SM they just roughly reach the level of upgraded F-15C or F-16C, not even that of later variants which are still in production!

 

[ROCK45]

Reading the many posts I agree basically with the idea it's better buying new and replacing the Russia's #168 Flankers is the route to go. Three or four years with a modern production line could bang out these numbers and produce spares for years.

I think lifting the standard across the board is a better way for Russia's Air Force to go. One must assume a good portion of the that #168 current Flanker fleet isn't operational because of lack of repair, service, parts, etc, or upgrades. Yes it is possible to upgrade but Russia in general can use a more advance platform period a 99% Russian made Su-35 seems like the right path, isn't the laser designator French?

Russia could replace the Flankers still keeping the (2) regiments that were upgraded and the grounded Fulcrums in one move. Save on training, weapons, time, production line cost, maintenance, and I'm sure more I'm leaving out. Make the Flanker the "jack of all trades" for a period of time until 5th generation aircraft are complete.

Aircraft that could be retired, stored, or placed in storage
*Old Su-27 that are not operatioal
*Border line Su-27s that may or may not be worth upgrading
*The older style Mig-29 basically all because they lack the range and need massive upgrades to really be effective in modern combat.
* In theory the Su-24s, (keep the upgraded ones) but a modern Su-35 can carry out ground attack so why not get rid of a type. Its a duel role platform and with a modern suite of weapons and weapons systems may perform ground attack and tactical strike better.
* People won't agree with me but Mig-31s could be retired why couldn't a modern state of the art fighter like the Su-35 carry out border defense like a interceptor, thus cutting more types.

I think for Russia the Su-35 has to be an like American F-15C,E mainly and for streamline purposes for cutting cost, training time, weapons production, a little like the roles the F-16/18 play rolled into one. Are my ideas too much to expect for one type?

 

[Haavarla]

Reading the many posts I agree basically with the idea it's better buying new and replacing the Russia's #168 Flankers is the route to go. Three or four years with a modern production line could bang out these numbers and produce spares for years.

I think lifting the standard across the board is a better way for Russia's Air Force to go. One must assume a good portion of the that #168 current Flanker fleet isn't operational because of lack of repair, service, parts, etc, or upgrades. Yes it is possible to upgrade but Russia in general can use a more advance platform period a 99% Russian made Su-35 seems like the right path, isn't the laser designator French?

Russia could replace the Flankers still keeping the (2) regiments that were upgraded and the grounded Fulcrums in one move. Save on training, weapons, time, production line cost, maintenance, and I'm sure more I'm leaving out. Make the Flanker the "jack of all trades" for a period of time until 5th generation aircraft are complete.

Aircraft that could be retired, stored, or placed in storage
*Old Su-27 that are not operatioal
*Border line Su-27s that may or may not be worth upgrading
*The older style Mig-29 basically all because they lack the range and need massive upgrades to really be effective in modern combat.
* In theory the Su-24s, (keep the upgraded ones) but a modern Su-35 can carry out ground attack so why not get rid of a type. Its a duel role platform and with a modern suite of weapons and weapons systems may perform ground attack and tactical strike better.
* People won't agree with me but Mig-31s could be retired why couldn't a modern state of the art fighter like the Su-35 carry out border defense like a interceptor, thus cutting more types.

I think for Russia the Su-35 has to be an like American F-15C,E mainly and for streamline purposes for cutting cost, training time, weapons production, a little like the roles the F-16/18 play rolled into one. Are my ideas too much to expect for one type?

Nice suggestion Rock45, and i do agree with most of them.

But the reality are some distance away.

The production rate are not so easly increased.
KNAAPO and Irkuts plant in the far East are the two best aviation facilities in both specialisation and size.
Still the output are nothing comparing to LMs production output..
AND NAPO and MIG RAC are still in trouble..

I quess they have modernized a bit on the NAPO production line.
They have those Su-34s going.

The biggest problem are not funding, Russia wont increase output rate simply by pooring money into these facilities.
Qualified workforce are the main issue and in shortage in Russia today.

If the Russian DoD gives the green light for the
Su-35(and i think they will/has), KNAAPO and Irkuts
alone can't put out in any sufficiant numbers, they have to take export orders at the same time.

So we are back to the SMs regardless of 1-2 regiments of Su-35 by 2017-19.

The N-001V of the Su-27SM is an upgraded version of the original N-001, the N-011M Bars is a new radar based on the N-011 which was originally developed for the Su-27M. It was first tested aboard T-10M-11 I think, though T-10M-12 was used as the primary testbed for the N-011M. For the MKI this radar was further developed incorporating some additional Indian stuff. So sorry, but I fail to see how a minior upgraded N-001 can be more capable or advanced than a new design, even when the upgrade for the old radar is newer, which it isn't AFAIK.

Scorpion82. Dont be confused about the designation N001V and N011M.
The fact that is that the N001V are somewhat newer than N011M.

" Su-30MKI Phase-I N011M Mk.1 > Only Air-to-Air modes

Su-30MKI Phase-II N011M Mk.2 > Ability to engage targets with four R-77
> Ground mapping
> Ground/Sea target search and lock
> Integrated with Kh-31A and Kh-59ME

Su-30MKI Phase-III N011M Mk.3 > Russian C101 radar computer replaced by Indian processor.
> Ground attack mode with simultaneus air target search
> Integration with Rafael Litening pod

Su-30MKI N011M > 2007 debut
> New gimbals for the moving antenna: +/-100 degrees azimuth & elevation
> New computer: 180 km tracking range"



The last radar upgrade on the SM(N001V) where in 2008.


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[Feanor]

Soviet equipment was never built for lasting decades, it might easily be that there are plenty airframes with low hours, but in what conditions are they? Low in which relation? As said the RuAF has quite limited resources even now and with the Su-27SM they just roughly reach the level of upgraded F-15C or F-16C, not even that of later variants which are still in production!

Actually the current F-15C's with AESA would probably be more capable then the Su-27SM.

Aircraft that could be retired, stored, or placed in storage
*Old Su-27 that are not operatioal
*Border line Su-27s that may or may not be worth upgrading

2-3 regiments are planned to replace existing Flankers.

*The older style Mig-29 basically all because they lack the range and need massive upgrades to really be effective in modern combat.

No replacement is planned. Rumors of SMT upgrades continue to circulate around the internet. I have not seen them confirmed.

* In theory the Su-24s, (keep the upgraded ones) but a modern Su-35 can carry out ground attack so why not get rid of a type. Its a duel role platform and with a modern suite of weapons and weapons systems may perform ground attack and tactical strike better.

The Su-34 will provide the strike roles.

* People won't agree with me but Mig-31s could be retired why couldn't a modern state of the art fighter like the Su-35 carry out border defense like a interceptor, thus cutting more types.

If that were planned, theBM upgrade would be dumped for the MiG-31's. As far as I know it's still planned to continue.

I think for Russia the Su-35 has to be an like American F-15C,E mainly and for streamline purposes for cutting cost, training time, weapons production, a little like the roles the F-16/18 play rolled into one. Are my ideas too much to expect for one type?

You mean for the 48-72 aircraft that are planned for purchase right now? Yeah, a bit much in my opinion. Keep in mind that with the current crisis, anything past the 2011 timeframe (for which the budget has already been laid out) is in big question marks.

The last radar upgrade on the SM(N001V) where in 2008.


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Newer =/= more capable. Can a N001V engage four targets with R-77s?

 

[Haavarla]

Feanor;173150]

Newer =/= more capable. Can a N001V engage four targets with R-77s?

I'm busting by balls trying to sniff up something more solid on those N001V..
There are very little info out there.

Some source claims the N001V can engage only 2 targets at the same time..



Seems to me that the radar designated N001V has been upgraded several times, and still are under development for better capabilities..
The SMs upgrade is an ongoing prosess.
And that the SMs avionics are to be implemented with elements from the new Su-35 standard.

Somebody suggested this page:

http://www.take-off.ru/asp/main?_sessid=dglhvnzcxvvblhujpvfsdllgpuipkuou

But it seems to be in Russian..

There is an excellent article in the English-language edition of Andrei Fomin's Russian-language magazine 'Vzlot' (Takeoff) :- http://www.take-off.ru/
about the Su-27SM ugrades.



N001-Basic Su27 radar.

N001M-Fitted to one Su27SMK prototype, performance likely inferior to Zhuk MS.

N001V(E)-The model that appears to have been fitted to both the Su30MKK and the Su27SM as selected by the Russian airforce.

N001V(E)P-This is confusing.
What is certain is that this is the radar on the Su30MKK2 and the Su27SKM. Most sources suggest that this is just a basic improvement of the N001V but I believe that it is in fact the 'Panda' radar, which is an N001V variant with a Pero phased array antennae.
Most sources say that the 'Panda' is a further vairant that is an improved N001VEP but I dont believe this to be the case."

"Zelin wouldn’t say how many of the several hundred Su-27 fighters in service would be converted to the new standard. Zelin said the plane’s new version has better capabilities than the Su-30MKK and Su-30MKI —the advanced versions of the Su-27 sold to China and India in recent years. "We can’t have aircraft in our inventory that would be worse than those sold to foreign customers," Zelin said."





I'm not giving up just yet, i'll continue searching.



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[Feanor]

I think his assumption about the N001VEP being the Panda, is correct. I read something similar, but don't remember where. I'll try to find it. However the SM upgrade doesn't feature the N001VEP, it features the N001V.

 

[Haavarla]

I think his assumption about the N001VEP being the Panda, is correct. I read something similar, but don't remember where. I'll try to find it. However the SM upgrade doesn't feature the N001VEP, it features the N001V.

Yepp.

There is very little info about the N001V radar and SMs upgrades.

The N011M specs are widely and easy to get.

There are probably some features and specs that we don't know(mil secrets) about these BAR radars.

If the N011M have some features that the N001V don't have and visa versa so be it.

My point was that the SMs N001V are quite improved from the older Su-27 N001 radar.
Likewise with the newer OLS-35M locator system.
(agains i'm not sure if any of the SMs have installed this, sources state that there are or will be a second phase SM upgrade).

I stand by my claims that the SMs are not just a minor upgade from the Su-27.
The SMs capabilities and improvments surpass the non-upgraded Su-27s.



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[Scorpion82]

Scorpion82. Dont be confused about the designation N001V and N011M.
The fact that is that the N001V are somewhat newer than N011M.

" Su-30MKI Phase-I N011M Mk.1 > Only Air-to-Air modes

Su-30MKI Phase-II N011M Mk.2 > Ability to engage targets with four R-77
> Ground mapping
> Ground/Sea target search and lock
> Integrated with Kh-31A and Kh-59ME

Su-30MKI Phase-III N011M Mk.3 > Russian C101 radar computer replaced by Indian processor.
> Ground attack mode with simultaneus air target search
> Integration with Rafael Litening pod

Su-30MKI N011M > 2007 debut
> New gimbals for the moving antenna: +/-100 degrees azimuth & elevation
> New computer: 180 km tracking range"



The last radar upgrade on the SM(N001V) where in 2008.


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You still seem to confuse the fact that the N-001V is an upgraded variant of a late 70s/early 80s radar, while the N-011M is a further developed variant of a radar which was designed from the later 80s onwards. When a radar has last been upgraded doesn't mean it's more capable or advanced! The N-001V lacks behind in modes and performance, it's still the dated N-001.

 

[Feanor]

Yepp.

There is very little info about the N001V radar and SMs upgrades.

The N011M specs are widely and easy to get.

There are probably some features and specs that we don't know(mil secrets) about these BAR radars.

If the N011M have some features that the N001V don't have and visa versa so be it.

My point was that the SMs N001V are quite improved from the older Su-27 N001 radar.

The Su-27SM is quite an improvement compared to the Su-27S, but far behind the MKI.

Likewise with the newer OLS-35M locator system.
(agains i'm not sure if any of the SMs have installed this, sources state that there are or will be a second phase SM upgrade).

I stand by my claims that the SMs are not just a minor upgade from the Su-27.
The SMs capabilities and improvments surpass the non-upgraded Su-27s.



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Of course they surpass the non-upgraded ones. But that doesn't make it a major modernization.

 

[harryriedl]

Su-35BM-4 prototype has crashed pilot okay plane destroyed sources slowly coming out
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6734.msg56875;topicseen
http://aviaforum.ru/showthread.php?p=456884#post456884(Russian)

odd that according to the information so far that it was on a taxi test and hit a static object.

 

[Haavarla]

Su-35BM-4 prototype has crashed pilot okay plane destroyed sources slowly coming out
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6734.msg56875;topicseen
http://aviaforum.ru/showthread.php?p=456884#post456884(Russian)

odd that according to the information so far that it was on a taxi test and hit a static object.

It's on the Aviation Forum too.

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1398191&postcount=402

Perhaps a flatt and skid right off the runaway..






Thanks

 

[Feanor]

Arms-tass claims it's the fuel supply system, along with the brakes. It was supposed to test new engines. Possibly the production variant of the AL-41

http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=69877&cid=25