ReAl PrOeLiTeZ
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Genghis Khan hands down. All of Asia and reached as far as border of Europe
Who conquered the world?
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Just to give you an idea about the size of the empires these men built, please see the map below:
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Noone ever could. There is always someone left to fight. I would prefer Empire's size and power during a certain peak in power. I would say the British Empire, then that would not apply as a Who. As the empire was fighting not lead by a single man and no the queen did not win battles (no offense to the British or CWmates) the man and his rifle/sword did.
Very true, and having 1/4 of the people on Earth under control at the begining of the 20th century was a hell of a feat.
But if you want to talk about a lasting influence on a huge part of the world, the great Grand-daddy of them all, Rome, is hard to beat.
The British Empire was built on trade, its military were used only as a tool to further a free market driven by the industrial revolution. Most of the battles fought on sea and land were motivated by the need to protect trade routes or secure a particular resource, for example: gold & diamonds from South and East Africa and to protect the tea trade - China exports in exchange for opium from India (Opium War - Hong Kong land grab)
The British Empires legacy is often derided, but it includes: road and railway networks across Asia, South America & Africa, introduction of rubber to Asia (plants imported from Brazil), tea cultivation on a grand scale (new tea varieties introduced to India & Sri-Lanka from China), cotton plantations in India (introduced from North America) civil service, regimental system, GMT, universal language and parliamentary democracy etc. etc.
During 200 years of dominance the UK fought at one time or another every single developed country on the planet and also fought successful campaigns on every continent and ocean. No other empire can claim to have done the same, most were either land-locked or restricted to a littoral environment.
Napoleon called the British a land of shop keepers, what he failed to realise was that his entire army at Waterloo were dressed in uniforms made from cotton grown in Virginia and processed in the mills of Yorkshire. His uniform equipment programme helped fund Britain's war effort.
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Ananda
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US, The First True Global Empire
I'm not an American, nor a US fanatics admirer/follower,however fair is fair the US is the only country in the history of mankind that can claim the first trully gobal empire.
Afterall what's an Empire ??
All come to main goal, Economics Dominance. Afterall why bother conquering other people land/country but to dominate their resourcess and dictate their economics output.
By using their financial system, even considering current situations, US financial center still can dominate and dictate what will happen far accross its border. The globalization which emerge even before the fall of Soviet Empire, make sure that interdependence of global economics are such that in the ned it will derive from Wall Street and the subsidiaries/secondary market in London, Hong Kong , Tokyo, Europe, Singapore, Dubai, etc,etc..
Look, the US military even with the current difficulty still the only power that can project anywhere in the world, as like no other military in human history ever could.
So does, its Politicall cloud, its financial and economics power and by Hollywood its culture. So what you will, but in my book, that's definetely belong to an Imperial Strength catagory.
Others may try to reduce its influence, and with current situation it might, however to dupplicate what the US already achieved, I think untill the end of this century still a dream for other nations.
So...who conquered the world.. Jenghis Khan has, The Roman has, The old Chinese Empire has, The Islamic Chaliphate especially the Ottoman has,..but all only can influence part of the world, and still no other can trully clain Global Empire until the current US 'pax americana'.
How long it will last ?? again like the other empires, only god will tell
I'm not an American, nor a US fanatics admirer/follower,however fair is fair the US is the only country in the history of mankind that can claim the first trully gobal empire.
Afterall what's an Empire ??
All come to main goal, Economics Dominance. Afterall why bother conquering other people land/country but to dominate their resourcess and dictate their economics output.
By using their financial system, even considering current situations, US financial center still can dominate and dictate what will happen far accross its border. The globalization which emerge even before the fall of Soviet Empire, make sure that interdependence of global economics are such that in the ned it will derive from Wall Street and the subsidiaries/secondary market in London, Hong Kong , Tokyo, Europe, Singapore, Dubai, etc,etc..
Look, the US military even with the current difficulty still the only power that can project anywhere in the world, as like no other military in human history ever could.
So does, its Politicall cloud, its financial and economics power and by Hollywood its culture. So what you will, but in my book, that's definetely belong to an Imperial Strength catagory.
Others may try to reduce its influence, and with current situation it might, however to dupplicate what the US already achieved, I think untill the end of this century still a dream for other nations.
So...who conquered the world.. Jenghis Khan has, The Roman has, The old Chinese Empire has, The Islamic Chaliphate especially the Ottoman has,..but all only can influence part of the world, and still no other can trully clain Global Empire until the current US 'pax americana'.
How long it will last ?? again like the other empires, only god will tell
True that US capitalist economy network had taken over control of whole world espacially after end of cold war ,but present economic recession will make it history soon, which is proof of its weaknesses and flows ,similarly socialism and colonialism era is also very short but Chaliphate duration is longest among all continued more then 1250 Years if we also include Ottoman era, which give us lead that islamic finanical system is more realiable and sustainable even in 21 centuryI'm not an American, nor a US fanatics admirer/follower,however fair is fair the US is the only country in the history of mankind that can claim the first trully gobal empire.
Afterall what's an Empire ??
All come to main goal, Economics Dominance. Afterall why bother conquering other people land/country but to dominate their resourcess and dictate their economics output.
By using their financial system, even considering current situations, US financial center still can dominate and dictate what will happen far accross its border. The globalization which emerge even before the fall of Soviet Empire, make sure that interdependence of global economics are such that in the ned it will derive from Wall Street and the subsidiaries/secondary market in London, Hong Kong , Tokyo, Europe, Singapore, Dubai, etc,etc..
Look, the US military even with the current difficulty still the only power that can project anywhere in the world, as like no other military in human history ever could.
So does, its Politicall cloud, its financial and economics power and by Hollywood its culture. So what you will, but in my book, that's definetely belong to an Imperial Strength catagory.
Others may try to reduce its influence, and with current situation it might, however to dupplicate what the US already achieved, I think untill the end of this century still a dream for other nations.
So...who conquered the world.. Jenghis Khan has, The Roman has, The old Chinese Empire has, The Islamic Chaliphate especially the Ottoman has,..but all only can influence part of the world, and still no other can trully clain Global Empire until the current US 'pax americana'.
How long it will last ?? again like the other empires, only god will tell
Ananda
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I'm affraid it's still too soon to be determined. In the sense the 30's 'Great Depression' also originated in US system, but the US still can come out stronger than before the rescession.
If this can be shroug off in the next year or two, it will only come out as another note in the financial capitalist history.
I'm a moeslem, but i'm affraid the islamic financial system so far only begin to show as another comparable system on overall global economies. It's still a long way to be told as another stable alternative.
[/QUOTE]QUOTE=waraich;169060]True that US capitalist economy network had taken over control of whole world espacially after end of cold war ,but present economic recession will make it history soon, which is proof of its weaknesses and flows ,similarly socialism and colonialism era is also very short but Chaliphate duration is longest among all continued more then 1250 Years if we also include Ottoman era, which give us lead that islamic finanical system is more realiable and sustainable even in 21 century
I'm affraid it's still too soon to be determined. In the sense the 30's 'Great Depression' also originated in US system, but the US still can come out stronger than before the rescession.
If this can be shroug off in the next year or two, it will only come out as another note in the financial capitalist history.
I'm a moeslem, but i'm affraid the islamic financial system so far only begin to show as another comparable system on overall global economies. It's still a long way to be told as another stable alternative.
ReAl PrOeLiTeZ
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i disagree the americans have only spread influence and held it for less then a century. so duration is too short. so not the greatest empire if it cant hold onto it with decent period.I'm not an American, nor a US fanatics admirer/follower,however fair is fair the US is the only country in the history of mankind that can claim the first trully gobal empire.
Afterall what's an Empire ??
All come to main goal, Economics Dominance. Afterall why bother conquering other people land/country but to dominate their resourcess and dictate their economics output.
By using their financial system, even considering current situations, US financial center still can dominate and dictate what will happen far accross its border. The globalization which emerge even before the fall of Soviet Empire, make sure that interdependence of global economics are such that in the ned it will derive from Wall Street and the subsidiaries/secondary market in London, Hong Kong , Tokyo, Europe, Singapore, Dubai, etc,etc..
Look, the US military even with the current difficulty still the only power that can project anywhere in the world, as like no other military in human history ever could.
So does, its Politicall cloud, its financial and economics power and by Hollywood its culture. So what you will, but in my book, that's definetely belong to an Imperial Strength catagory.
Others may try to reduce its influence, and with current situation it might, however to dupplicate what the US already achieved, I think untill the end of this century still a dream for other nations.
So...who conquered the world.. Jenghis Khan has, The Roman has, The old Chinese Empire has, The Islamic Chaliphate especially the Ottoman has,..but all only can influence part of the world, and still no other can trully clain Global Empire until the current US 'pax americana'.
How long it will last ?? again like the other empires, only god will tell
Pax America evolved from Pax Britannia, both English speaking nations, the former breaking away from the latter, both however maintaining common ideals. In sense the same way Rome took up the mantel from Ancient Greece. The industrial revolution was the catalyst which turned both into industrial and trading superpowers. Without the industrial power-base neither could have sustained their respective military might.
Ananda
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Well it might be that, however my point is that no country/nation in the history of mankind can have the kind of power and influence that US can yield at this moment.
And Who can said the era of US domminance is over ?, Afterall a country that can emerger from a long depression in 30's and come out strongger than ever, means it's do have pottential and no other nation have.
Like I said, I'm not a US fans, but realistically I have to admit the potential of US still far outstripped any nation in the world today.
Chalifate and Ottoman can be considered strongest empire every seen by mankind continued for more then 1300 years which is unbeatable record even they dont have present advance high tech weapons and miltries and technology.
Only in the East, Califate and Ottomans never conquered the Western World (Southern Spain being their limit), nor have they left a lasting influence to the same degree as Rome, Renaissance Italy (Venetian States in particualr) or Pax Britannia / America.Chalifate and Ottoman can be considered strongest empire every seen by mankind continued for more then 1300 years which is unbeatable record even they dont have present advance high tech weapons and miltries and technology.
Every single invention we use today is a product of the industrial revolution and associated empires (British, German*, Soviet & American). These nations industrialized war on scale never previously witnessed in history. Just look at the products that came out of these four countries from 1900 onwards: Repeating rifle, maxim gun, barbed wire, smokeless powder, breach-loading artillery, rifling, cordite, high-explosive, radar, sonar, caterpillar tracks, submersible's, torpedoes, aviation, railways, motorisation of transportation, armoured none-sail driven ships, combustion engine, jet engine, gas turbine engine, dreadnoughts, aircraft carriers, rotor-craft, atomic weapons, tactical and ballistic missile systems.
*Note: Include Germany's short but impressive empire 1938-1945
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Central and north europe,main land england,russia,china was at that time living in stone ages no power even want to rule these backword areas.
There were only two super power persia and rome , conqured by muslims and Ottoman empire were basically mogols/turks defeated muslims and then converted to islam built most holy places madia mosques and haram makkah mosque.
America,Australia not discovered at that time.
I suggest you to read invention done by muslim scientists , your knowledge about research and development done by muslim scientist is limited .industrial revolution in europe actually based on inventions of muslim scientist.Bagdad was main reserach center of muslim research destroyed by Halaku Khan .
Can you write more 100 in roman
Central and north europe,main land england,russia,china was at that time living in stone ages no power even want to rule these backword areas.
There were only two super power persia and rome , conqured by muslims and Ottoman empire were basically mogols/turks defeated muslims and then converted to islam built most holy places madia mosques and haram makkah mosque.
America,Australia not discovered at that time.
I suggest you to read invention done by muslim scientists , your knowledge about research and development done by muslim scientist is limited .industrial revolution in europe actually based on inventions of muslim scientist.Bagdad was main reserach center of muslim research destroyed by Halaku Khan .
Can you write more 100 in roman
Waraich, I'd appreciate it if you could write in proper grammar. I'm not trying to be a grammar nazi but the content of your post is a bit unintelligible.
And yes, despite what many of you believe, a lot of Muslim inventions are the cause of some modern inventions today. It's obviously overlooked because of religious intolerance and bias.
I dont think so, can you high light for my correction
Back to post topic , suggest you to read below information to clarify your doubts about research done by muslim scientists.
Setting the Record Straight: The Miracle of Islamic Science
http://sakooterspeaks.wordpress.com...cord-straight-the-miracle-of-islamic-science/
Sure. Or was it that the Khaliphate has ACTUALLY TRIED TO conquer Europe and didn't succeed?! I am not talking about the recon force that Charles Martel defeated and that is highly overestimated. What do you know about Khan Tervel? A.K.A. The Saviour of Europe and the battle for Constantinople?
I'm sorry you are having a laughCentral and north europe,main land england,russia,china was at that time living in stone ages no power even want to rule these backword areas.
There were only two super power persia and rome , conqured by muslims and Ottoman empire were basically mogols/turks defeated muslims and then converted to islam built most holy places madia mosques and haram makkah mosque.
America,Australia not discovered at that time.
I suggest you to read invention done by muslim scientists , your knowledge about research and development done by muslim scientist is limited .industrial revolution in europe actually based on inventions of muslim scientist.Bagdad was main reserach center of muslim research destroyed by Halaku Khan .
Can you write more 100 in roman
, please expand on how Muslim Science influenced the following:Industrialized mass production of materials and introduction of automation in factories in England leading to meteoric increases in production an wealth
The railway and steam engine, enabling manufacturing to move from cottage based industries to mass production on a grand scale
The combustion engine, gas turbine engine, jet engine, so on and so forth.
I can't find a single reference by the engineering greats of the time (James Watt, Richard Trevithick, Richard Arkwright's et al) that thier world changing inventions relied on Muslim theories. And if Muslim Science was so sophisticated why didn't the industrial revolution begin in the East?
Agreed with you ,some time i missed few words or could not interpret properly because english is not my mother tongue,we think in our mother tongue then brain interpret it into english so our brain has to bear more stress.Any how it is different topic.I suggest you start a seperate thread in off topic for further discussion if you like, but dont mind my smile.I'm sorry you are having a laugh
Industrialized mass production of materials and introduction of automation in factories in England leading to meteoric increases in production an wealth
The railway and steam engine, enabling manufacturing to move from cottage based industries to mass production on a grand scale
The combustion engine, gas turbine engine, jet engine, so on and so forth.
I can't find a single reference by the engineering greats of the time (James Watt, Richard Trevithick, Richard Arkwright's et al) that thier world changing inventions relied on Muslim theories. And if Muslim Science was so sophisticated why didn't the industrial revolution begin in the East?
Back to topic , aah ha( deep breadth with sorrow because we muslim forget our golden past) , my friend, muslim scientist developed all basic sciences no body can deny this fact. mathematics,algebra,geomatery,physics,chemistry,biology,medicine,astronomy,etc
at that time whole europe was in darkness.
You could not find any europian scientist in 14 and 15 centries.What you are taking ,these inventions belong to late 17 and 18 centries.
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