Who conquered the world?

[kilo_4que]

Who conquered the world? There have been many claims of who in fact conquered the world. Predominately, Christians believe that it was Alexander The Great . However, the Muslims on the other hand claim it was it Zulkarnain. Well in the Islamic teachings and ancient scriptures including one of the most read, regarded and most common book in the world, The Qur'an it is collated that it was Zulkarnain however there were numerous Zulkarnains hence which one would be the one that conquered the world?

So people what are your views and believes on who conquered the world and also what are your thought towards the opposition.

 

[webmaster]

Whats the english name for zulkarnain? :?:

 

[kilo_4que]

There is no direct name for Zulkarnain in English. But suppose we sed Alexander the great did conquer the world, then on that issue Alexander would be the english to Zulkarnain

 

[Blackclaw]

On a global scale, the world has never been conquered. Are you refering to conquests of the world as known to the conquerer during their lives?

 

[kilo_4que]

My friend, in History, there has been Christopher Columbus, and in a religious prospective Alexander the great apparantly conquered the world in that he spread his name in all corners of the world. However, the muslims believe that Zulkarnain conquered the world in that he spread the name of god and the teachings of islam.

 

[Bharat_R]

Alexander the Great...HAHAHAHAHAHA. He destroyed Persia but only went as far as Afghanistan (Porous), and then they were scared to go past India or present day Pakistan. They managed to also get Egypt but didn't expand any further. After they retreated Macodonia Greece collapsed.

-India's biggest Empire was Sri Vigyan Empire which was all of India, parts of Iran, parts of Southern CAR, Indonesia. Check the site below for more info...

http://www.geocities.com/raqta24/ind6.htm

-Ancient Persia at its prosperous day was from parts of Lybia, Egypt, Afghanistan, almost all of CAR, Western India (present day
Baluchistan, parts of J%K, and entire NWFP.

-Rome was close to dominating Europe but it collapsed when the Germans, and Muslims attacked them. This empire was most of Western Europe, and Northern Africa, which is bigger then Ancient Greece.

-The Mongolian Empire was the biggest in the world, it had all of Asia including Russia under its control. The only nations that weren't captured was Japan, and many say that Sri Lanka and parts of Kerela India wasn't captured. The ruler is the infamous Genghis Khan, note that he wasn't muslim.

-The Islamic empire came after that, the Arabs invaded all of middle east, then the Turks defeated the Greeks. Note that the Turks origninally came from Mongolia and CAR, the Mongol Empire was breaking up at this time. One of Genghis Khan's son converted to muslim, and this is where history is all confusing. To me it looks like the Mongol muslims helped the Arabs destroy Persia, then the converted Persian came along with them invaded Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, parts of China, CAR, and went West invading all of Northern Africa, parts of Spain, parts of Greece. In the end the Islamic Empire (or Mongol Islam empire or Arab Empire... don't know which one was leading), it had most of the Indian Subcontinent, all of middle east, northern africa, parts of Southern Europe (Spain, southern Italy, most of Yugolavia, S. Eastern Greece), Indonesia, Malaysia, parts of Philipines, and Mayanar.

Therefore the Empire that conquered the World was the Mongolian Empire because they managed to take over all of Asia, and then the next was Islamic empire. The Christian nation that conquered the world was Britain.

 

[kilo_4que]

Bharat, before you post please post with some gud historic knowledge. First of all ure source is not gud enough as it is a geocities publication which many of us can fake and regard as a source. Secondly, read up on the names of the people I have mentioned. Without a doubt, you havent read up on Zulkarnain. Many Christians (orthodox Christians) even believe it was this man that was the means of conquering this world.

Furthermore, the Qur'an which is one of the oldest and most regarded book in the world states in chapter 16 of the greatness of this person. Maybe if u read an English version of the Qur'an, u may get a better understanding of the situation. Furthermore, there are arguments that Ghengis Khan was muslim or not, so to say that his son converted, it would be rather lame of u to say so. Obviously, you not being a muslim, you would say that. So please if you have to say something, say it on your behalf, as otherdont have the same opinion.

Also when you keep on emphasising the point of converts:

then the converted Persian

U may start a flame war, so please dont act too direct as other members could get upset and personal and may attack back.

So Bharat, please provide sufficient evidence towards your claims and suggestions.

 

[DarkAngel]

arright
ill put in whatever little knowledge i have here

Dhul Qirnain( translation , the one with two horns ) was a prophet of old. His name may mean he actually possessed two horns, which is actually very doubtful, but a remote possibility. most scholars agree that it has more to do with a helmet he might have worn which bore 2 horns.

He came a long time before alexandar and all these cahracters. He was mentioned as being extremely powerful and blessed by Allah.

I guess all of you have heard of hajud majud ( gog and magog for the christians on the forum ). Two tribes which were actually imprisoned by dhul qirnain using iron bricks and liquid copper ( makes one wonder what kinda technology or power he used). These two tribes will be released form their prison sometime clost to the day of judgement.

if i recall one of the verse states that first he went to the east with the power of God and established the rule of God, and then he went to the west and did the same, it was there he encountered a group of people begging for help against hajuj majuj.


you can imagine how powerful he was though, because even hadhrat eisa ( jesus ) will be powerless against them when they come after jesus strikes down the anti christ.

 

[kilo_4que]

Dark, brother the point of gog ma gog, I was gona arise in my post but u beat me to it.

I couldnt put it in better words ma self. Yes that is the background of Zulkarnain (spelling is as such for the non muslims on this board)

But bro the following im not sure of, I am not doubting u, but I need to luk into this to make sure im not misjudging ma self

because even hadhrat eisa ( jesus ) will be powerless against them when they come after jesus strikes down the anti christ.

The thing that im gona make sure of is that, r gog ma gogs gona plague the earth before Hadrath Eisa or after.

Well till next time,

wasalam

HAfiz Adil Kahn

 

[DarkAngel]

After
the chronology of events is somewhat as follows, in terms of the appearance of the prophecised people and groups:

Imam Mahdi
Anti Christ
Eisa
Gog and magog


Hadhrat eisa ( jesus ) will defeat dajjal ( the anti christ ) and live for a period of time before gog and magog will emerge upon the hapenning of which all the people will lock themsleves up in their fortresses powerless tot stop them. Then hadhrat eisa A.s. will pray to Allah for help upon which God will make a particluar worm type parastie infect the napes of the the tribes of Gog and Magog causing them to die.

 

[kilo_4que]

Yes and adding to that, it is described that the gog ma gogs shall swell up and burst like spots full of puss and the entire planet shall become sticky as if one was to walk on a path of honey type attributes.

And yes for the people who say that Imam Mehdi was a lost person when he walked through a tunnel, this was in fact false. Imam Mehdi to my knowledge shall be born as a child and shall grow up as the final imam.

 

[Bharat_R]

Muslim's mustn't be offended, but the fact is Kenghis Khan wasn't muslim. Just cause his last name was "Khan" doesn't make him a muslim, it isn't a muslim last name, Buddhist are know to use it aswell, same for tribal religions in the far east. So my point is Alexander the Great didn't invade the world, the biggest Christian empire was Great Britain, then USSR, after that it would be Rome, Holy Rome, Prussia, Otto's Germany, etc. For muslims I believe the biggest empire could have been the Arab empire which was a big chunk of Asia, and I don't have to be a muslim to say its true. This has nothing to do with religion, I am clearly stating that ethnic groups whom ran this Islamic Empire. It could have been Arab, or Turkic, and believe me Arabs take pride that their Islamic empire was Arab, and so do Turks whom adore the Otoman Empire (which was an unusual Islamic empire, just like present day Turkey).

 

[kilo_4que]

A few things Bharat. The reason y many muslims regard Ghengis Khan as muslim is not due to the Khan, but due to the first name. Ghengis is a muslims name. But historically speaking, no one knows the true religion of Ghengis Khan. Even historians could justify his religion. So if such people cudnt justify it, then who r u to say that he wasnt or was muslim. I say we should leave the issue of Ghengis Khan here as we wont get anywhere.

Furthermore, mate u need to read up on Zulkarnain. I can surely tell u havent read up on this person. Cos we arent talkin about the times of the British empire etc, we are talking many years prior to the nations u have metioned ever coming to existence. This great personans name has been quoted in the holy qur'an too which is one of the most regarded and unmodified ancient books ever in existence.

So please, before u reply, please read up on this person. Go to an islamic book shop and ask about any books relating to Zulkarnain (pronounced as such - actual spelling is on the lines of Dhul Karnain)

 

[DarkAngel]

ba particlar sect, i think the mirzai claim that, ut well we are all already aware of their blasphomy

as for gog and magog, they will killed by parisitci worms that iwll infest their napes by the Will of God in response to hadhrat eisa's prayer

as for imam mahdi

of what we know of him

he will be of descent of the Prophet SAWS, with appearance stunningly similar to him.
(which means he will probably be arab in origin)
he will not be born a saint, but the changes that will come in him and the affinity towards God will be an overnight change at some point in his life.

furthermore an amry will rise from the east and will come and support him.

thats some of what we know of him
Insha Allah

 

[mandeep_619]

Genghis Khan was not a Muslim. He followed the Mongol religion, which centered on the worship of a sky god, the "Eternal Blue Heaven."

His sons and succesors, Ogadai Khan and Mongke Khan also followed the Mongol religion.

His grandson, Kublai Khan, converted to Buddhism.

These first four Mongol Khans never preferred one religion over another. They allowed freedom of religion in the lands they conquered. Also, because they never believed in the superiority of any religion, they were not picky over those they massacared. They slaughtered 30 million Chinese, another couple million Russians and Europeans, and another couple million Muslims.

If anything, the Mongols were a huge threat to Islam. When the Arabs were rising to the peak of their power, Genghis Khan's hordes came in, defeated their armies, razed their cities, and slaughtered millions of Muslims, leaving the Middle East in smoking ruins. The Mongols also toppled the mighty Persian empire, killing millions of inhabitants. Under Genghis Khan's successors, the Mongols attacked, defeated, and demolished other middle eastern empires, pushing as far west as Africa. There, an army of Mamelukes won a rare victory over the Mongols, stopping their advance. If the Mongols had won that battle, Islam would probably have been wiped off the face of the earth, for the Mongols won almost every battle they fought. (One of Genghis Khan's successors actually led an attack against the Mamelukes in retaliation. The Mameluke empire was obliterated.) Later, the Mongols led one last attack on Islam, when a powerful Mongol army attacked the Ottoman Turks, and nearly wiped them out. But a remnant of the Ottoman Empire survived, and went on to become a major power.

So the original Mongols were clearly no friends of the Muslims. It was Timur Leng, a distant relative to Genghis Khan, who invaded India. Timur Leng was actually half Turkish, accounting for his Muslim religion.

 

[Zzims]

In actual, the sacking of Baghdad by the Mongols, was not due largely toa Mongolian superiority in military, but by shear mismanagement and deployment of the Imperial Abbasid Forces. One historian suggested that the Caliphate did not even call up his armies to defend Baghdad due to a misunderstanding.

By this time the Abbasid Caliphate, or the Caliph was a mere figure head and the Abbasid Empire was a far cry from its former glory, Military and Economically. The Mamluks, were specifically trained to fight the Mongolian Army. Which they did succesfully, tho fate transpired The Great Khan died. Tho if the ME campaigns were too resume the Mamluks wouldve had a hard time assembling a sizable army given that the Mongolian army was huge by itself. Tho the Mongolians couldnt have sent all their warrior to the ME. Would spark up rebellions all over the empire.

 

[waraich]

Caliph Umar bin kattab was the greatest ruler of world,during his era two super powers perisian empire and roman empire defeated .

 

[Manfred2]

Caliph Umar bin kattab was the greatest ruler of world,during his era two super powers perisian empire and roman empire defeated .

Uh, no... he inflicted a temporary Defeat to the Byzantine Empire. There is a difference, especially by the 7th century.

On the basis of conquests, I would like to remind everyone that Attila's Huns were the only ones to conquer both Russia and Germany. They might have got Rome too, but superstition is a killer, eh?

 

[waraich]

Uh, no... he inflicted a temporary Defeat to the Byzantine Empire. There is a difference, especially by the 7th century.

On the basis of conquests, I would like to remind everyone that Attila's Huns were the only ones to conquer both Russia and Germany. They might have got Rome too, but superstition is a killer, eh?

Hunnic empire area was less then muslim empire ruled by Chalif Umer RA (13247505 KM2 Approx.) :nutkick

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunnic_Empire
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d5/Age-of-caliphs.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_outlying_territories_by_area

 

[Manfred2]

First, I never said it was larger, simply a more impressive and unique conquest.

What your link shows is a collection of four caliphates, who's unity turned out to be even more temporary then the Huns ramshackle gang.

And of course, the Mongols but both those empires in the shade. http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/images/smilies/a6.gif