Future of Russian Military
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The government has soemthing to say about who gets a L/44 and who not.
Apart from the companies not wanting to make it easier for the russians to counter their own product.
State secret...
@Nevidimka
We are talking about T-72A which is presented in the graphic as having nearly enough armor to withstand a M829.
T-72A has been tested against 120mm smoothbores with even older KE and HEAT ammo and the result was not nearly favorable for the T-72A.
Makes one think about the accuracy of the other numbers in this graphic...
Apart from the companies not wanting to make it easier for the russians to counter their own product.
State secret...
@Nevidimka
We are talking about T-72A which is presented in the graphic as having nearly enough armor to withstand a M829.
T-72A has been tested against 120mm smoothbores with even older KE and HEAT ammo and the result was not nearly favorable for the T-72A.
Makes one think about the accuracy of the other numbers in this graphic...
We're talking about T-72As. Personally, I don't really think they would have a chance, given the poor quality of the older auto-loader and the simplicity of the FCS. Not to mention the inferior armor composite on the T-72A. T-72Bs however, have more of a chance. Given that it has K1 or K5 ERA, a slightly better version of the Dolly-Parton (Super Dolly-Parton, gee no one would've guessed), a good FCS and the use of newer munitions of BM-32, BM-42 or BM-48 fame.
And yeah, that diagram is incorrect. According to wikipedia, BM-48s have near 500-600 mm of penetration of RHA. So, pretty much that diagram was probably made by one of those lying ultranationalists
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I recall a certain Janes article about a test where the T-72B withstood all anti-tank NATO ammunition that existed in '89. The T-72B however isn't even on there. >.>
EDIT: In terms of Russian Military news, a contract for two more ships has been signed with "Yantar" shipyard. One of the ships will be an oceanographic research vessel and the other will be a testing ship. No details are provided.
http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=66663&cid=25
What is interesting to note is that the second ship of the Neustrashimiy class is practically complete and is awaiting sea trials before acceptance into the Baltic Fleet.
EDIT: In terms of Russian Military news, a contract for two more ships has been signed with "Yantar" shipyard. One of the ships will be an oceanographic research vessel and the other will be a testing ship. No details are provided.
http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=66663&cid=25
What is interesting to note is that the second ship of the Neustrashimiy class is practically complete and is awaiting sea trials before acceptance into the Baltic Fleet.
OK what class of ship is that on the pic in your link? It looks amazingly like the new Chinese Destroyers design.
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Thats a Talwar class frigate from the Indian navy if Im not mistaken. They are basicly upgraded copies of the old Soviet Krivak III class frigats.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talwar_class_frigate
So does that mean Russia is selling monkey model T-90S to India and Algeria.:unknown
Are you still under the assumption that we used nomenclature M829 rounds in Iraq, that round left war inventory well before that time. And you are correct that it would not be impossible for Russia to get data on L/44, NATO countries have given this information to Ukraine for their projects involving Slovenia and Poland. Also should point out that if Russia wanted a 120mm that they are fully capable of manufacturing one.
You do realize that I was being sarcastic right?
: I should also add that different countries do offer different armor packages also but purchasers are fully aware of this.Agreed, just enough to ease their minds on vehicle performance.
At what engagement range:unknown, I will tell you that in around that time frame we (U.S) came to the conclusion that the M829 was rather dismal in performance thus the reason for M829A1 being fielded in rather a short time frame. Also you guys do realize that Russia is not in the habit also of posting actual armor protection values to the public, along with ammunition true capabilities. I am rather pissed though that the Russian fan boy that made this propaganda chart did not even give mention to M900A1, I feel cheated and empty.
@Echkerl
I want to be sure here... Some people say that it was the M829, and then some other people say M829A1. I know there is a clear difference between both of them. So, here it is : Did the M1A1s use the M829A1 during the latest Gulf War (2003)? There's a lot of confusion for me on that round. Your post implies that they did use the M829A1s.
I want to be sure here... Some people say that it was the M829, and then some other people say M829A1. I know there is a clear difference between both of them. So, here it is : Did the M1A1s use the M829A1 during the latest Gulf War (2003)? There's a lot of confusion for me on that round. Your post implies that they did use the M829A1s.
The Volga-Urals MD is getting Iskanders next. I'm assuming this means that the NCMD brigade has received all of it's complexes.
http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=66784&cid=25
http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=66784&cid=25
Again the M829 was short lived due to some issues, @Feanor hit on some of our concerns with this round. Round had major yawing at extreme ranges thus some of the reasons for a rapid replacement that took place, M829A1 was used in our first big adventure in the sand box.
Relax, it was friendly in nature.Didnt the Iraqi's reproduce the T 72? That version being poorer than the original T 72?
And no, I don't appreciate sarcasm.
Waylander answered your question in regards to Iraqs attempt to build a T-72 series, and they also came out with a ERA package that was rather dismal in protection, this package was not based off of Russian K series.