MiG recieved a credit from government 15 billions of rubbles. All the debts of MiG are something like 45 B/r. Next year the general director of the MiG will be Mikhail Pagosyan who is a general director of Sukhoi. I think that there will be two planes heavy and light. this is my personal opinion. and I think these two planes will be mostly unified. Like Mi-24 and Mi-28 right now.
PAK-FA / T-50: Russian 5th Generation Fighter
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It's 70% Sukhoi, 15% MiG and 15% Yakovlev, in terms of the workload. Yakovlev had an independent 5th gen. program for a single-engine aircraft, although it didn't get very far, it earned them a spot right beside MiG.
The Mi-24 and Mi-28 are not unified by any means. They're two practically unrelated helicopters. The only similar analogy would be the MiG-29 and Su-27, where the same airframe designe was used. But ultimately even there the level of unification turned out to be minimal as the designs matured. I don't think any reasonable homogenization of a light and heavy fighter can be achieved, especially when they're done by different design bureaus.
About Mi-28 and Mi-24 I've read an interview with one of the constructors. He said that most of parts that are installed in Mi-28 could be used for Mi-24. More than this he said that there is a modification program Mi-24P (МИ-24П) and it is deep modernization of these helis, but MoD didn't do order this modernization because it is rather expensive.
That's why I'm talking about unification, may be not 60-70% but 20-40% are possible.
That's why I'm talking about unification, may be not 60-70% but 20-40% are possible.
About Mi-28 and Mi-24 I've read an interview with one of the constructors. He said that most of parts that are installed in Mi-28 could be used for Mi-24. More than this he said that there is a modification program Mi-24P (МИ-24П) and it is deep modernization of these helis, but MoD didn't do order this modernization because it is rather expensive.
That's why I'm talking about unification, may be not 60-70% but 20-40% are possible.
Oh and about different design bureaus - as I said Mikhail Pagosyan will be the general director of MiG and Sukhoi - I think this doesn't need comments.
That's why I'm talking about unification, may be not 60-70% but 20-40% are possible.
Oh and about different design bureaus - as I said Mikhail Pagosyan will be the general director of MiG and Sukhoi - I think this doesn't need comments.
Feanor Mi-24P is the highest type of modernization of Mi-24 - that was said by one of the constructors (sorry I can't find again that interview =((( ). Mi-24PN, Mi-24PS and some others are lighter modifications. I am talking about unification in some equipment internally based. may be unification in some RAM materials (like a paint that reduces RCS)
From what I know the PN is simply a night-capable version of the P. I'll try to find more info later.
EDIT: UAC and HAL just signed the agreement for the FGFA joint development and production. It's first flight it scheduled for next year.
http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=64578&cid=25
I can't figure out if it's a contract, or just an agreement, similar to the one signed in october.
And this: http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=64594&cid=25
claims that 3 PAK-FA prototypes will be completed and will fly next year (2009). Just out of curiousity, to those more experienced in aircraft design, is there a reason to have 3 prototypes simultaneously?
EDIT: UAC and HAL just signed the agreement for the FGFA joint development and production. It's first flight it scheduled for next year.
http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=64578&cid=25
I can't figure out if it's a contract, or just an agreement, similar to the one signed in october.
And this: http://arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=64594&cid=25
claims that 3 PAK-FA prototypes will be completed and will fly next year (2009). Just out of curiousity, to those more experienced in aircraft design, is there a reason to have 3 prototypes simultaneously?
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Eventhough market for new generation (consider 5th Generation) combat aircraft being monopoly by F-35 (since US decided not to export F-22), Russian PAK-FA still have a hope in world market.
Country like Iran, Syria, Algeria, Vietnam, Belarus & Serbia is can be consider permenant market for Russian combat aircraft. Further more, some market which has relation with western/US seem has swicth the sources to Russian product such as Malaysia, Indonesia & Venezuela.
Country like Iran, Syria, Algeria, Vietnam, Belarus & Serbia is can be consider permenant market for Russian combat aircraft. Further more, some market which has relation with western/US seem has swicth the sources to Russian product such as Malaysia, Indonesia & Venezuela.
There are a number of reasons why you might want to have more than one prototype flying at a time.
The most obvious, is to compress your overall flight test program. These days, a flight test program will typically have thousands of flight hours that are pre-defined - and having multiple airplanes flying at once allows you to compress the time frame for completing the test program. Typically, one airplane will be designated for opening up the flight envelope. Another will be used as the avionics testbed. Yet another will prove-out weapons integration and in-flight refueling.
The other leading reason for multiple prototypes, is if you have more than one airframe configuration that you need to test. This is reportedly the case for the PAK-FA - which will have both a single seat and a two seat version, with slightly different avionics packages. Another good example of this in practice is the US F-35 program, where the F-35A, F-35B and F-35C flight test programs are expected to overlap.
well i doubt it,imo it is still to early,but it will mostly be in MAKS 2010.but aero 2009 should be intresting.
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A real beauty Salty Dog, but i'll eat my hat if the PAK-FA ever comes with "carnard wings"
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It looks like something from one of the "Ace Combat" video games.
Good call AegicFC, you are on spot mate. It is one of the new Ace Combat 6 planes:
I found the pic at another source. Sorry if I misled anyone. Interesting concept though.
I suspect they will be in a rush to show it off as soon as it flies. The Su-35BM was demonstrated very quickly, and the PAK-FA is a very publicity oriented program. It's a sign that Russia isn't behind. It would also be the first major post-Soviet aircraft design. I mean unless we want to consider things like the Yak-130, etc.
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