T-90 Tank

[Feanor]

I have a few questions. Whats the difference between the armour of the T80 to the T90? IF the T80 is mased on a better design, does that means the T90's armour is superior to the T80 thanks to only its Kontakt-5 Armour?

The Era of the T80 looks wierd in that it looks like thin pieces of tiles?

The T-80U uses K-5.

Can the T72 be easily upgraded to a full T90 standard by upgrading its era, defensive suits, electronics?

Not easily, but it can be upgraded to a level equal to (and in some aspects like ERA, superior) to the T-90. The T-72B2 Rogatka. There is also the possibility to upgrading it with the electronics, countermeasures, and ERA of the T-90. But it will still be inferior unless you replace the engine, and iirc the T-90A has different armor composition as well as different turret.

Also the Indian T90S seem to not have the Russian Shtora Defensive suit. IS this a conscious decision or was it developed after the Indian deal was made?

The Shtora suite is turret mounted, and as such interferes with the ERA tiles. As a result they Shtora modules form weak points on the turret. India opted not to have them.

EDIT: I know 2nd Gds Motor-Rifles received T-90's (allegedly their tank regiment has been re-armed entirely, which would make sense, 3 Btlns over 2004-2007), but has the 4th Gds Tank received any? Or are they just due to receive a full set by 2015? Also I recall reading somewhere that not just one regiment, but the entire 5th Gds Tank Div. has been re-armed to T-90s. However from what I know from other sources, only one regiment was re-armed in the 90's and all the new tanks since then have been going to the Moscow MD. Is it possible that more then one regiment of early T-90's was purchased in the 90's?

 

[Type59]

Silly question does the T 80UD's exported by Ukraine to Pakistan have the K-5 armor? One site claimed T 80UD exports had K-1 armor. I am

 

[eckherl]

Silly question does the T 80UD's exported by Ukraine to Pakistan have the K-5 armor? One site claimed T 80UD exports had K-1 armor. I am

Yes they do, but supposingly it is a older version of K5.

 

[eckherl]

The T-80U uses K-5.



Not easily, but it can be upgraded to a level equal to (and in some aspects like ERA, superior) to the T-90. The T-72B2 Rogatka. There is also the possibility to upgrading it with the electronics, countermeasures, and ERA of the T-90. But it will still be inferior unless you replace the engine, and iirc the T-90A has different armor composition as well as different turret.



The Shtora suite is turret mounted, and as such interferes with the ERA tiles. As a result they Shtora modules form weak points on the turret. India opted not to have them.

EDIT: I know 2nd Gds Motor-Rifles received T-90's (allegedly their tank regiment has been re-armed entirely, which would make sense, 3 Btlns over 2004-2007), but has the 4th Gds Tank received any? Or are they just due to receive a full set by 2015? Also I recall reading somewhere that not just one regiment, but the entire 5th Gds Tank Div. has been re-armed to T-90s. However from what I know from other sources, only one regiment was re-armed in the 90's and all the new tanks since then have been going to the Moscow MD. Is it possible that more then one regiment of early T-90's was purchased in the 90's?

May I also add that newer manufactured T-90s do in fact have a better turret protection level versus a T-80, it is a matter of a welded turret design is better than a cast designed one.

 

[Type59]

Yes they do, but supposingly it is a older version of K5.

Thanks for clarifying. So there are different versions of K-5. So must be export version.

Cheers

 

[extern]

I know 2nd Gds Motor-Rifles received T-90's (allegedly their tank regiment has been re-armed entirely, which would make sense, 3 Btlns over 2004-2007), but has the 4th Gds Tank received any? Or are they just due to receive a full set by 2015? Also I recall reading somewhere that not just one regiment, but the entire 5th Gds Tank Div. has been re-armed to T-90s. However from what I know from other sources, only one regiment was re-armed in the 90's and all the new tanks since then have been going to the Moscow MD. Is it possible that more then one regiment of early T-90's was purchased in the 90's?

Both 2nd GMR and 4th GTD will be rearmed with T-90 till the end of 2010. This plan can be even accelerated considering current situation. All T-90A (modernised) produced after 2000 came to Moscow district. Only few T-90AK (commander tanks) were added to 5th GTD (Kyakhta), they were made with old fasion cast turrets for keeping uniformity:

 

[Feanor]

Do you have a source? And where do these T-90AK come from? The procurement budget only made room for whle battallion sets. And finally am I correct in understanding that 3 battallions are currently in the Moscow MD with 2 more to come this year? Because 3 isn't enough for the 2nd Motor Rifles alone, never mind 4th Tank. Thanks.

 

[extern]

do You Have A Source?

Msvt-2008

and Where Do These T-90ak Come From?

Uvz

 

[nevidimka]

Both 2nd GMR and 4th GTD will be rearmed with T-90 till the end of 2010. This plan can be even accelerated considering current situation. All T-90A (modernised) produced after 2000 came to Moscow district. Only few T-90AK (commander tanks) were added to 5th GTD (Kyakhta), they were made with old fasion cast turrets for keeping uniformity:

btw, in the pic, what is that box sitting above the 1st ERA after the Shtora? I used to think that is 1 more place missing its ERA, but this pic clearly shows its rather sitting on top of the ERA tiles.


Also how does the Kaktus ERA on the Black Eagle tank fare compared to the K-5?

 

[Feanor]

Extern you mean the arms-expo? At the arms expo they actually announced that they delivered T-90AK tanks to the 5th Gds Tank? Which years procurement budget did they come out of? Or are these future procurement plans?

EDIT: I've not found mentionings of a T-90AK. I've found a T-90K, and a T-90SK.

Also russianarmor.info claims that the old T-90s re-equipped the tank regiment in the 21st motor-rifles, and one tank battallion in the 5th Gds tank.

http://russianarmor.info/Tanks/MBT/t-90.html

 

[DefConGuru]

May I also add that newer manufactured T-90s do in fact have a better turret protection level versus a T-80, it is a matter of a welded turret design is better than a cast designed one.

the T-80UD's of Ukraine and Pakistan have the welded turrets similar to the T-84 Oplot.

 

[extern]

Extern you mean the arms-expo? At the arms expo they actually announced that they delivered T-90AK tanks to the 5th Gds Tank? Which years procurement budget did they come out of? Or are these future procurement plans?

EDIT: I've not found mentionings of a T-90AK. I've found a T-90K, and a T-90SK.

Also russianarmor.info claims that the old T-90s re-equipped the tank regiment in the 21st motor-rifles, and one tank battallion in the 5th Gds tank.

http://russianarmor.info/Tanks/MBT/t-90.html

1) I dont know any 21st MRD. May be they mean 21st guardian tank division in Belogorsk (Far East near China border)?
2) T-90A/AK - is T-90 with welded turret, domestic variant. THe export variant is called T-90S/SK.
3) Some time ago tHere was an information in internet about few number of new made T-90 commander tanks with cast turrets especially contracted by the army. THey naturaly came to the units with old T-90 stock, easy to think byself why. There is one of them on the picture from MSVT-2008 (two antennas - mean commander's variant). Just two independent news crossover...

btw, in the pic, what is that box sitting above the 1st ERA after the Shtora? I used to think that is 1 more place missing its ERA, but this pic clearly shows its rather sitting on top of the ERA tiles.
Also how does the Kaktus ERA on the Black Eagle tank fare compared to the K-5?

1) Kaktus - is very different ERA, more heavy and in addition to regular cummulatives and APFSDS it's effective against tandem cummulatives and 'striking nucleus' types of rounds. More effective against APFSDSs.
2) It's Shtora's OTShU-1-7 modulator:

 

[eckherl]

the T-80UD's of Ukraine and Pakistan have the welded turrets similar to the T-84 Oplot.

Yes - Ukraine ended up giving Pakistan some welded turrets due to political issues with Russia over the Ukraine/Pakistan T-80UD deal. Pakistan uses both turrrets, cast and welded.

 

[Feanor]

1) I dont know any 21st MRD. May be they mean 21st guardian tank division in Belogorsk (Far East near China border)?
2) T-90A/AK - is T-90 with welded turret, domestic variant. THe export variant is called T-90S/SK.

Again I'm looking for any sources you can give me on the existence of a T-90AK (not SK). I understand that S is simply the export designation of the same vehicle, however here is an important detail. If no T-90AK designation has been produced, then no Russian Army units received any, as the SK would be export only.

Also warfare.ru lists a 21st motor-rifles in Belogorsk which is composed of the 143rd motor-rifles rgt., the 57th machine-gun artillery regiment, and elements of the former 21st tank div. That's probably the unit in question. Finally the info on T-90's supplied to the unit comes from 1996, so since then the unit may have gone through several incarnations.

3) Some time ago tHere was an information in internet about few number of new made T-90 commander tanks with cast turrets especially contracted by the army. THey naturaly came to the units with old T-90 stock, easy to think byself why. There is one of them on the picture from MSVT-2008 (two antennas - mean commander's variant). Just two independent news crossover...

Wonderful, can you give me a source by any chance? Because otherwise I'm reluctant to take your word for it. My own search came up blank.

 

[extern]

Wonderful, can you give me a source by any chance? Because otherwise I'm reluctant to take your word for it. My own search came up blank.

Not wonder since it's from inclosed forum , hiden for google-searching.

 

[Feanor]

So how do you know that the person on that forum knew what they were talking about? Sorry to be reluctant to trust, but this is the internet and without serious evidence, nothing posted here is worth anything.

 

[extern]

So how do you know that the person on that forum knew what they were talking about? Sorry to be reluctant to trust, but this is the internet and without serious evidence, nothing posted here is worth anything.

I dont intent to persuade any body. How I'm sure any article in internet is true? I dont know...

 

[Waylander]

What makes me wonder is that Russia still uses command versions of their tanks.

I mean at least one could equip every tank with two antennas even if they just have one radio (Which is awfull by itself...).
Being identified that easy on the battlefield is just not that healthy for the command tanks.

 

[kato]

What makes me wonder is that Russia still uses command versions of their tanks.

Did the Bundeswehr ever switch from the three different radio setups for various command levels as established with Leo 2A3?
(2x SEM-80 for regular; SEM-80 + SEM-90 for platoon CT; 2x SEM-90 + SEM-93 for company CT)

 

[Waylander]

I think officially it never changed but all Leos I have been in had the SEM80/90 combo (apart from the company commander with the two 90s and the btl commander with his 90 and 93).

As you know normally only the platoon leader and his 1 should have a 80 and a 90 while the other two should have a two 80s.
I have to admit I don't know why there are so many 80/90 combos out there.
Maybe because so many Leos have been phased out (together with alot of other vehicles) and there are enough surplus SEMs.

New customers of our surplus vehicles should naturally add their own radio equipment anyway.