T-90 Tank

eckherl

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Good to know. Thanks eckherl!
Russian APFSDS rounds and their specs:
http://russianarmor.info/Tanks/ARM/apfsds/ammo.html
Here is something that we are starting to build from older M1A1 hulls, AEVs, the U.S Marines have placed a initial order for 28 with more to follow at a later time, the U.S Army more than likely will also start fielding them real soon also, it looks alot more promising over the scrapped Grizzly program. These hulls will come from the U.S Army. Vehicle will be used for obstacle and minefield clearing.
 

extern

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These hulls will come from the U.S Army. Vehicle will be used for obstacle and minefield clearing.
Interesting development, eckherl. BTW, I have read soon an American book about GW2 with exellent picts of Abrams with engeneering tools on the way to Baghdad. A lot of information there is. I offer to read it for all tank-lovers. This is the book in pdf format:
thunder run - us 3rd infantry s drive to baghdad concord - armor at war 7514.pdf - 47.81MB
Also an exellent but already obsolete book about T-72 (English):
t-72 soviet main battle tank.pdf - 17.30MB
and a super-new Russian book about using tanks in Chechen Wars:
tankivbojahzagroznyj1.djvu - 37.47MB
tankivbojahzagroznyj2.djvu - 33.65MB
 

Feanor

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Suvorov - is the best Russian source about tanks! He is a professional tank officer and further - the military researcher and an academic instructor in the Russian tank academy. Many things he knows not from the books but from the field. For example, he was an eyewitner of the field tests of american 105 mm vs T-72, and he writes it could not penetrate T-72 from the front even from zero distance. Now I send you the article about Merkava and its clashes with T-72s in Lebanon, were Suvorov writes about this fact.
merkava_suvorov_2.pdf - 4.57MB
My mistake. Wrong Suvorov. I'm familiar with the author Viktor Rezun, who writes under the pseudonym Viktor Suvorov. He's the one I was referring to. A very interesting book, I'm in the middle of it. Great read. Thanks for the sources. Did he write anything else? I'm going to have to check it out.
 

extern

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My mistake. Wrong Suvorov. I'm familiar with the author Viktor Rezun, who writes under the pseudonym Viktor Suvorov. He's the one I was referring to. A very interesting book, I'm in the middle of it. Great read. Thanks for the sources. Did he write anything else? I'm going to have to check it out.
He wrote lot. BTW he is an edition member and continual author of Russian bestseller TiV (Technics and Weapon) journal. there are many his articles about tanks, including T-90 of course. TiV - is the main area of public discussion on armor thematics in Russia. The last best-seller saga - is a long article of T-90 developers from UVZ on diesel-vs-GTE issue. It's perpetual issue on evry tank fora :D
Thiis is the article:
http://www.mediafire.com/?1x0mgigi04y
http://www.mediafire.com/?gxxgadsfzyj
http://www.zshare.net/download/14505762f142d0ea/
http://www.zshare.net/download/14505881e799170e/

and this is an American article about the problem with tank fuel logistic and FCS issue:
http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/092006nj1.htm
 

eckherl

The Bunker Group
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He wrote lot. BTW he is an edition member and continual author of Russian bestseller TiV (Technics and Weapon) journal. there are many his articles about tanks, including T-90 of course. TiV - is the main area of public discussion on armor thematics in Russia. The last best-seller saga - is a long article of T-90 developers from UVZ on diesel-vs-GTE issue. It's perpetual issue on evry tank fora :D
Thiis is the article:
http://www.mediafire.com/?1x0mgigi04y
http://www.mediafire.com/?gxxgadsfzyj
http://www.zshare.net/download/14505762f142d0ea/
http://www.zshare.net/download/14505881e799170e/

and this is an American article about the problem with tank fuel logistic and FCS issue:
http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/092006nj1.htm
Some good reading, like I stated during prior posts, the U.S Army is facing a major decision process for our FCS program in that Congress wants to see some rewards in technology and vehicle placement for the amount of funds that have been spent. I was at a test track a couple of days ago and witnessed a new 8X8 vehicle in action, it was heavy armored, fast and you could not hear the bloody thing, when I went to take a photo of it everyones response was, oh no you don`t, one could only imagine how this hurt my feelings.:(
 

Feanor

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Some good reading, like I stated during prior posts, the U.S Army is facing a major decision process for our FCS program in that Congress wants to see some rewards in technology and vehicle placement for the amount of funds that have been spent. I was at a test track a couple of days ago and witnessed a new 8X8 vehicle in action, it was heavy armored, fast and you could not hear the bloody thing, when I went to take a photo of it everyones response was, oh no you don`t, one could only imagine how this hurt my feelings.:(
Aww...... so we don't get to see it? Any information on a possible public presentation date?
 

eckherl

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Aww...... so we don't get to see it? Any information on a possible public presentation date?
All I can tell you is that it is not a Stryker version, most likely a General Dynamics skunks work platform at the time being.
 

Feanor

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Is it likely to see service, or is it a tech demo? Is it based on a request by the Army or is General Dynamics developing it on their own in the hopes of finding a customer?
 

tatra

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Some good reading, like I stated during prior posts, the U.S Army is facing a major decision process for our FCS program in that Congress wants to see some rewards in technology and vehicle placement for the amount of funds that have been spent. I was at a test track a couple of days ago and witnessed a new 8X8 vehicle in action, it was heavy armored, fast and you could not hear the bloody thing, when I went to take a photo of it everyones response was, oh no you don`t, one could only imagine how this hurt my feelings.:(
By any chance look anything like thïs:
 

eckherl

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Sort of, the area`s highlighted in yellow was part of the body on the vehicle that I saw, also the vehicle did have more of a smoother surface along the sides, it was also sitting pretty low to the ground, maybe a hydro pnuematic suspension, this vehicle pictured very well could have one also.
 

extern

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Sort of, the area`s highlighted in yellow was part of the body on the vehicle that I saw, also the vehicle did have more of a smoother surface along the sides, it was also sitting pretty low to the ground, maybe a hydro pnuematic suspension, this vehicle pictured very well could have one also.
Does it has a V-shaped bottom?

BTW, a good book about Russian inventory including armor in English:
russias.arms.pdf - 75.71MB
 

Type59

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Why was the T 90 largely based on T 72, when T 80 is seen as better tank? I like to know the official reason because I, personally, speculated basing on T 72 would be cheaper, which was important consideration during the 1990s. Cheers
 

Feanor

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Ease of production and ease of maintenance in conjunction with the current fleet of tanks. The choice between the T-80 and T-90 was made in the mid 90's as the T-80 did not (on the spot) offer an improved design other then the T-80UM. UVZ on the other hand had the T-90, which coincidentally had no production lines outside of Russia. I think that the combination of these factors influenced the decision. Of course winning the Indian contract with the new T-90A was probably key. Remember proper T-90 production only began in 2004 and was made possible by the injection of funds from the Indian deal. OmskTransmash didn't win any major contracts (a couple of small ones to S. Korea and Cyprus), and went bankrupt in 2002. So by 2004 only one of them had production lines ready to go.
 

eckherl

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Ease of production and ease of maintenance in conjunction with the current fleet of tanks. The choice between the T-80 and T-90 was made in the mid 90's as the T-80 did not (on the spot) offer an improved design other then the T-80UM. UVZ on the other hand had the T-90, which coincidentally had no production lines outside of Russia. I think that the combination of these factors influenced the decision. Of course winning the Indian contract with the new T-90A was probably key. Remember proper T-90 production only began in 2004 and was made possible by the injection of funds from the Indian deal. OmskTransmash didn't win any major contracts (a couple of small ones to S. Korea and Cyprus), and went bankrupt in 2002. So by 2004 only one of them had production lines ready to go.
Actually, the ROK tanks came right out of Russian war stocks, do not know about the Cyprus deal.
 

Chrom

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Ease of production and ease of maintenance in conjunction with the current fleet of tanks. The choice between the T-80 and T-90 was made in the mid 90's as the T-80 did not (on the spot) offer an improved design other then the T-80UM. UVZ on the other hand had the T-90, which coincidentally had no production lines outside of Russia. I think that the combination of these factors influenced the decision. Of course winning the Indian contract with the new T-90A was probably key. Remember proper T-90 production only began in 2004 and was made possible by the injection of funds from the Indian deal. OmskTransmash didn't win any major contracts (a couple of small ones to S. Korea and Cyprus), and went bankrupt in 2002. So by 2004 only one of them had production lines ready to go.
I would few bits to that. T-80 was produced on generally military-specialized plants, which were hit very deeply by 90x chaos. Whereas T-90 was produced at huge UVZ plant, which survived thanks to its heavly involvement in civilian production. By the end 90x, when first export contracts came - T-90 was the only tank ready for immediate production, with very high chances for successful modernization according to consumer wishes.

Civilian production greatly helps keeping T-90 prices down, retaining resources and manpower needed.
 

Feanor

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True. Currently the UVZ is busy with large amounts of civilian production and is even transferring some of that production to the Omsk plant.
 

Moroz.ru

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True. Currently the UVZ is busy with large amounts of civilian production and is even transferring some of that production to the Omsk plant.
AFAIK, OTM've got the orders for fixing and upgrading Russian OBT: T-80 & T-72(!).

BTW, here is the press-conference of UVZ's CEO M-r Nikolay Malykh (Николай Малых)
http://www.lenta.ru/conf/uvz/ But there are questions only. Answers going to be late.
 

nevidimka

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I have a few questions. Whats the difference between the armour of the T80 to the T90? IF the T80 is mased on a better design, does that means the T90's armour is superior to the T80 thanks to only its Kontakt-5 Armour?

The Era of the T80 looks wierd in that it looks like thin pieces of tiles?

Can the T72 be easily upgraded to a full T90 standard by upgrading its era, defensive suits, electronics?

Also the Indian T90S seem to not have the Russian Shtora Defensive suit. IS this a conscious decision or was it developed after the Indian deal was made?
 
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