I do not see why firing different ATGMs would be a issue, they are designed along the same principle, minor adjustments maybe but no show stoppers.
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But then again I find it rather disadvantageous to train the crews on a system, and then when they really go into combat, give them a system were they have to do a lot of things differently. A lot of routine learned in training becomes useless in that case.
Some T-80UD (at least some of them?) have an IR-Light, too?
Some T-80UD (at least some of them?) have an IR-Light, too?
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Yes -some of the earlier T-80UDs do in fact have IR systems on board, I believe though that the ones currently being used for frontline units have been upgraded to Thermals.
Using a upgrade sighting system will boost moral for these guy`s and a Thermal isn`t really hard to use, or are you thinging along the lines of target id concerns.
No, I'm more thinking about simple stuff as "muscle memory" things. If you trained 2 years and "switch A" was always in a particular place, and then in battle where everything has to work instinctively, switch A is suddenly in a different position and instead "Switch B" is there, then all the years of training to use switch A blind and under stress conditions are worthless in that moment.
Surely not something that is decisive to the outcome of a war, but it may be decisive to victory of defeat about that single tank.
Surely not something that is decisive to the outcome of a war, but it may be decisive to victory of defeat about that single tank.
Generally, crew will go to war in whatever tank they were trained. Keep in mind, there is only about 300 T-90 in russian army. Also, later, T-72/T-80BV could be regarded as vehicles to keep training, as 90% of trainings is identical for T-80BV and T-90, and one need only several weeks at most for transition from one to another.
This is similar to constant tank upgrades in any army f.e. M1-M1A1-M1A2 etc. .
Yes, older too.
It is going to be a matter of importance on how well you train that tank crew on using any type of upgrade or new weapons platform that will be a deciding factor. You will find that as technology improves capabilities that the majority of tank crews will welcome this with open arms and are more mind tuned to practicing with their new toys. I have trained on the M48A5 up to a M1A2 series and found that it was a blessing to have a system that could compete on the battlefield on equal terms.
My biggest issue with Russian tank crews is the amount of time that they do indeed get to spend on any tank versus field exercises and gunnery qualifications, it doesn`t amount to much, doesn`t matter if it is a new tank model or older version.
Do you have numbers on the 90's ear purchases? Iirc they re-armed a single regiment. But I don't remember where I read that.
You guys always make me jealous. You know things I can't find anywhere. Do you have the statistics still around by any chance?
Thanks extern. Your information and books have been very helpful. I'm assuming you mean the 5th gds Tank div. right? Also do you by any chance know where the BMP-3's purchased in the 90's went? Iirc also SibVO. One regiment. Chrom one little inconsistency, MDB reported a single tank battallion produced over two years, 2004 and 2005. So maybe 2004 saw 14 tanks, and 2005 17 tanks produced, and only ~120 tanks were purchased in the 90's, which is ~1 regiment?
Too easy question. It's 74 grdn motorized rifle brigade. Didnt you read the book 'Tanks in the fights for Grozny', which I have uploaded in T-90 thread recently? This:
tankivbojahzagroznyj1.djvu - 37.47MB
tankivbojahzagroznyj2.djvu - 33.65MB
There is written about BMP-3 too, even with pictures.
I think this was original plan, but it was delayed as many military purchases in 2001-2006. So they didnt got 31 tank in 2004-2005, instead they got them later.
Chrom do you have any sources by any chance? I'm just curious.
Extern you're such a wealth of information. Recently the BMP-3 production line has been restarted. Where are they being deployed? Tamanskaya and Kantermiskaya along with the new T-90's?
EDIT:A .djvu format? What do I open it with?
Extern you're such a wealth of information. Recently the BMP-3 production line has been restarted. Where are they being deployed? Tamanskaya and Kantermiskaya along with the new T-90's?
EDIT:A .djvu format? What do I open it with?
1) Only Tamanskaya, if believe to the top brass:
http://www.vpk-news.ru/default.asp?pr_sign=archive.2005.101.armynews
2) You need Djvu plugin for browser downloaded and installed for reading such books
2005- 31
2006- 31
2007- 31
2008- 62
2009- 62 (plan)
2010 - 62 (plan)
- at the end Kantemirovskaya and Tamanskaya will be fully equipped with T-90A in 2010.
Source: Russian Armor chief via RIAN http://center.rian.ru/army/20070526/81620682.html
So it mentions a modernized T-72 variant close to T-90 capabilities. Do they mean the Rogatka program? It also mentions two batallions modernized annually, has that already begun? And finally MDB (sorry to quote them so often, they just have more statistical data then most sources) mentions ~150 T-72's modernized in 2007. Do you have any idea if that's valid and under what program the modernization is done?
EDIT: The numbers don't add up. A single tank division has 3 tank regiments and 1 motor rifle regiment, which includes a tank batallion. Each tank regiment has 3 batallions, at 31 tanks each. So a tank division has 10 batallions of 31, 310 tanks. A motor rifle division has one tank regiment and three motor-rifle regiments. That's 6 batallions, at 31 tanks, 186 tanks. So one tank (4th Gds) and one motor rifl (2nd Gds) together would have 496 tanks. But the procurement plan you showed lists planned purchases of only 279 tanks.
EDIT: The numbers don't add up. A single tank division has 3 tank regiments and 1 motor rifle regiment, which includes a tank batallion. Each tank regiment has 3 batallions, at 31 tanks each. So a tank division has 10 batallions of 31, 310 tanks. A motor rifle division has one tank regiment and three motor-rifle regiments. That's 6 batallions, at 31 tanks, 186 tanks. So one tank (4th Gds) and one motor rifl (2nd Gds) together would have 496 tanks. But the procurement plan you showed lists planned purchases of only 279 tanks.
1) According to follow -up information they have modernised 150 T-72 and 15 T-80 in 2007. However it was not Rogatka, but more simple modernisation, without French TI camera. They have explained further in 2008, that there is no sence in deep modernisation, and better to allocate more money for additional T-90A purchase, after scraping oldest T-55, T-64, T-72 for metall (done).
2) Yes, the number of 60 tank a year is problematic to re-equip one TD and one motor-rifle, but needed to note that:
- the part of tanks will be replaced with BMPTs
- according to my calculation the allocated money is enough to produce 150 T-90A a year starting from 2009 (see T-90 thread). UVZ - is just a huge plant. I dont see any problem for UVZ to produce 150 or even 200 tanks a year if needed.
To Extern:
According to DOD Russian tank crews averaged firing 6 maingun rounds of ammunition, 3 day and 3 at night on a annual basis, this information is based up to the year 1998. My question to you is how has this changed, do they still only shoot annually and what is the average amount of ammunition. Also is dfferent according to regions, meaning Siberian based units would train more on a frequent basis.
According to DOD Russian tank crews averaged firing 6 maingun rounds of ammunition, 3 day and 3 at night on a annual basis, this information is based up to the year 1998. My question to you is how has this changed, do they still only shoot annually and what is the average amount of ammunition. Also is dfferent according to regions, meaning Siberian based units would train more on a frequent basis.