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niteshkjain

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http://www.indiaprwire.com/businessnews/20080609/30766.htm
Indian Navy to seek global bids for upgrading choppers
India will soon float a global tender for the mid-life refurbishment of its fleet of Sea King and Kamov-28 helicopters, an official said Monday. The deal is valued at $150 million.
'We will soon be issuing the RFPs (Request for Proposals) for the mid-life upgrade of the Sea King and Kamov-28 helicopters,' the official said.
'The refurbishment will involve replacing the engine, the avionics, the mission computer, the radar system and missiles,' the official added.
The navy operates 14 Sea King and 12 Kamov anti-submarine helicopters. In addition, the Sea Kings are also used for reconnaissance, search and rescue operations, and for ferrying personnel and supplies.
The Indian Navy bought the Sea Kings from Britain's Westland Helicopters in the late 1980s but found it difficult to operate them in the wake of the sanctions imposed by the US after the Pokhran-II nuclear tests in 1998 as these prevented the sourcing of original parts from the manufacturer.
The Indian Navy then attempted to obtain from local industry components for gearboxes, rotor systems, sonar systems and electronics items for avionics. However, these fell short of reliability requirements and led to some limitations in the machine's anti-submarine warfare operations.
While this problem did not exist in the case of the Russian-origin Kamovs, these machines are also due for a mid-life upgrade
 

niteshkjain

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http://www.business-standard.com/common/storypage_c_online.php?leftnm=10
Pipavav Shipyard to build patrol vessels for Navy
Press Trust of India / Mumbai June 09, 2008, 16:24 IST


Pipavav Shipyard in Gujarat today said it is looking at building offshore patrol vessels for the Navy and is interested in building other naval vessels.


"We are in the process of registering with the Indian Navy to make vessels for it," a top company official said.
Only a handful of shipyards in India make defence vessels for the country. State-owned Mazagon Dock is making submarines for the Indian Navy in association with the French.

Engineering giant Larsen and Toubro plans to build naval vessels at its proposed shipyard in Tamil Nadu.

"We are looking at offshore patrol vessels for navy, which are less complex and less weapons-oriented. As we gain experience in doing these things, we will look at more complex vessels," the official said.

He did not want to be named because his company has filed draft red herring prospectus with the market regulator.

A couple of months ago, the company bagged an order to build 22 Panamax tankers taking its order book to $1 billion.

Ships classified as Panamax are of the maximum dimensions that will fit through the locks of the Panama Canal.
 

niteshkjain

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http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080611/110017742.html

Russia starts building new missile frigate for Indian Navy


KALININGRAD, June 11 (RIA Novosti) - The Yantar Shipyard in Russia's Baltic exclave of Kaliningrad will start on Wednesday the construction of the third Project 11356 frigate for the Indian Navy under a second contract, the company said.

India and Russia signed a contract for the purchase of three additional Project 11356 Krivak IV-class guided missile frigates for the Indian Navy on July 14, 2006. Russia previously built three Krivak-class frigates - INS Talwar, INS Trishul and INS Tabar - for India, and delivered them all by the end of 2004.

"The Yantar Shipyard will hold an official ceremony to mark the beginning of the construction of the third [Krivak-class] frigate for the Indian navy," a company spokesman said, adding that the work on the first two frigates was progressing according to schedule.

All three ships will be delivered to India by 2012. They will feature the BrahMos supersonic anti-ship cruise missile system instead of the Club-N/3M54TE missile system, which was installed on the previous frigates.

The Krivak-class frigate has deadweight of 4,000 metric tons and speed of 30 knots, and is capable of accomplishing a wide range of missions in the sea, primarily hunting down and destroying large surface ships and submarines.
 

niteshkjain

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http://www.hindustantimes.com/Story...eadline=Navy+plans+to+ditch+Dhruv+helicopters

The Indian Navy has virtually written off the naval variant of the advanced light helicopter (ALH), Dhruv, saying it has failed to meet basic operational requirements. The navy, which operates a fleet of six ALHs, has decided against placing further orders with the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

A senior navy official told HT, “The ALH has a long way to go before the programme matures sufficiently for it to undertake basic naval roles such as search and rescue (SAR) and communication duties.” He said the helicopter’s ASW (anti-submarine warfare) version developed by HAL still falls short of naval expectations.

Navy officials said that the ALH lacks the desired endurance for mission requirements. The navy is also not satisfied with the chopper’s rotor blade folding mechanism for storage on warships and its payload capacity. The navy has launched a global hunt for new ASW helicopters to replace its ageing fleet of Sea King helicopters.

However, HAL remains buoyant about domestic helicopter sale prospects with the defence ministry entrusting it with the task of developing light utility helicopters for the army and the air force. The ministry has allocated Rs 435 crore for this. The defence public sector undertaking is focusing aggressively on the helicopter business and plans to set up a new helicopter division in Bangalore.
 

aaaditya

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to be honest it does not matter,dhruv was primarily intended for the army and has met army's requirements to the point that 300 helicopters have been ordered ,development of the naval variant was just a secondary process,the indian navy has a requirement for heavy helicopters in the sea king class.

however if they can finetune the dhruv's search and rescue capability the coast guard may acquire more dhruvs,currently the indian coast guard plans to acquire 60 dhruvs.
 

niteshkjain

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to be honest it does not matter,dhruv was primarily intended for the army and has met army's requirements to the point that 300 helicopters have been ordered ,development of the naval variant was just a secondary process,the indian navy has a requirement for heavy helicopters in the sea king class.

however if they can finetune the dhruv's search and rescue capability the coast guard may acquire more dhruvs,currently the indian coast guard plans to acquire 60 dhruvs.
Agree but, even if the Naval ALH is not inducted into the IN, HAL and DRDO should still complete the R&D of the Naval variant to get the know-how of how to integrate the radar, weapons, and avionics. The know how needs to be fully developed in this area for the future especially with the indigenous medium-lift helo planned. It will be far easier and quicker to use that as a baseline than start all from scratch. Hope they are not short-sighted and don't just stop all the current R&D effort (as India has done in the past) in this area ... only to pay for it (i.e. have to start from scratch) years later.
 

aaaditya

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Agree but, even if the Naval ALH is not inducted into the IN, HAL and DRDO should still complete the R&D of the Naval variant to get the know-how of how to integrate the radar, weapons, and avionics. The know how needs to be fully developed in this area for the future especially with the indigenous medium-lift helo planned. It will be far easier and quicker to use that as a baseline than start all from scratch. Hope they are not short-sighted and don't just stop all the current R&D effort (as India has done in the past) in this area ... only to pay for it (i.e. have to start from scratch) years later.
i believe the problem is not in the sv2000 radar but in the platform,the navy wants a heavier platform like the eh-101 or the sea kings ,because they can carry a greater amount of load and can have a longer range.

on the other hand i think that the indian coast guard is realy interested in the dhruv because the largest coast guard vessel has a displacement of not more than 2500 tons,for these vessels the coast guard cannot use the sea kings which would be too heavier and cannot be landed on the limited desck space of these vessels ,whereas the light helicopters like the chetak can be used but being small cannot provide the adequate range and capabilities ,so the dhruv is an excellent option .thats why all the patrol vessels being developed for the indian coast guard have the capabilty to carry the alh dhruv.with the indian coast guard looking to acquire as many 20 patrol vessels of 2500 ton capability ,i believe that the indian coast guard may acquire a further 40 more alh dhruvs ,20 of these helicopters to be deployad at coast guard air enclaves.
 

Rish

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Found this to be interesting on the developments in the Indian ocean. Sorry the article is so long!
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080608/asia_indian_ocean_intrigue.html

Emerging giants India, China jostle for influence over vital Indian Ocean shipping lanes

HAMBANTOTA, Sri Lanka (AP) -- This battered harbor town on Sri Lanka's southern tip, with its scrawny men selling even scrawnier fish, seems an unlikely focus for an emerging international competition over energy supply routes that fuel much of the global economy.

An impoverished place still recovering from the devastation of the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami, Hambantota has a desolate air, a sense of nowhereness, punctuated by the realization that looking south over the expanse of ocean, the next landfall is Antarctica.

But just over the horizon runs one of the world's great trade arteries, the shipping lanes where thousands of vessels carry oil from the Middle East and raw materials to Asia, returning with television sets, toys and sneakers for European consumers.

These tankers provide 80 percent of China's oil and 65 percent of India's -- fuel desperately needed for the two countries' rapidly growing economies. Japan, too, is almost totally dependent on energy supplies shipped through the Indian Ocean.

Any disruption -- from terrorism, piracy, natural disaster or war -- could have devastating effects on these countries and, in an increasingly interdependent world, send ripples across the globe. When an unidentified ship attacked a Japanese oil tanker traveling through the Indian Ocean from South Korea to Saudi Arabia in April, the news sent oil prices to record highs.

For decades the world relied on the powerful U.S. Navy to protect this vital sea lane. But as India and China gain economic heft, they are moving to expand their control of the waterway, sparking a new -- and potentially dangerous -- rivalry between Asia's emerging giants.

China has given massive aid to Indian Ocean nations, signing friendship pacts, building ports in Pakistan and Bangladesh as well as Sri Lanka, and reportedly setting up a listening post on one of Myanmar's islands near the strategic Strait of Malacca.

Now, India is trying to parry China's moves. It beat out China for a port project in Myanmar. And, flush with cash from its expanding economy, India is beefing up its military, with the expansion seemingly aimed at China. Washington and, to a lesser extent, Tokyo are encouraging India's role as a counterweight to growing Chinese power.

Among China's latest moves is the billion dollar port its engineers are building in Sri Lanka, an island country just off India's southern coast.

The Chinese insist the Hambantota port is a purely commercial move, and by all appearances, it is. But some in India see ominous designs behind the project, while others in countries surrounding India like the idea. A 2004 Pentagon report called Beijing's effort to expand its presence in the region China's "string of pearls."

No one wants war, and relations between the two nations are now at their closest since a brief 1962 border war in which China quickly routed Indian forces. Last year, trade between India and China grew to $37 billion and their two armies conducted their first-ever joint military exercise.

Still, the Indians worry about China's growing influence.

"Each pearl in the string is a link in a chain of the Chinese maritime presence," India's navy chief, Adm. Sureesh Mehta, said in a speech in January, expressing concern that naval forces operating out of ports established by the Chinese could "take control over the world energy jugular."

"It is a pincer movement," said Rahul Bedi, a South Asia analyst with London-based Jane's Defense Weekly. "That, together with the slap India got in 1962, keeps them awake at night."

B. Raman, a hawkish, retired Indian intelligence official, expressed the fears of some Indians over the Chinese-built ports, saying he believes they'll be used as naval bases to control the area.

"We cannot take them at face value. We cannot assume their intentions are benign," said Raman.

But Zhao Gancheng, a South Asia expert at the Chinese government-backed Shanghai Institute for International Studies, says ports like Hambantota are strictly commercial ventures. And Sri Lanka says the new port will be a windfall for its impoverished southern region.

With Sri Lanka's proximity to the shipping lane already making it a hub for transshipping containers between Europe and Asia, the new port will boost the country's annual cargo handling capacity from 6 million containers to some 23 million, said Priyath Wickrama, deputy director of the Sri Lankan Ports Authority.

Wickrama said a new facility was needed since the main port in the capital Colombo has no room to expand and Trincomalee port in the Northeast is caught in the middle of Sri Lanka's civil war. Hambantota also will have factories onsite producing cement and fertilizer for export, he said.

Meanwhile, India is clearly gearing its military expansion toward China rather than its longtime foe, and India has set up listening stations in Mozambique and Madagascar, in part to monitor Chinese movements, Bedi noted. It also has an air base in Kazakhstan and a space monitoring post in Mongolia -- both China's neighbors.

India has announced plans to have a fleet of aircraft carriers and nuclear submarines at sea in the next decade and recently tested nuclear-capable missiles that put China's major cities well in range. It is also reopening air force bases near the Chinese border.

Encouraging India's role as a counter to China, the U.S. has stepped up exercises with the Indian navy and last year sold it an American warship for the first time, the 17,000-ton amphibious transport dock USS Trenton. American defense contractors -- shut out from the lucrative Indian market during the long Cold War -- have been offering India's military everything from advanced fighter jets to anti-ship missiles.

"It is in our interest to develop this relationship," U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates said during a visit to New Delhi in February. "Just as it is in the Indians' interest."

Officially, China says it's not worried about India's military buildup or its closer ties with the U.S. However, foreign analysts believe China is deeply concerned by the possibility of a U.S.-Indian military alliance.

Ian Storey of the Institute of Southeast Asian Studies in Singapore said China sent strong diplomatic messages expressing opposition to a massive naval exercise India held last year with the U.S., Japan, Singapore and Australia. And Bedi, the Jane's analyst, added "those exercises rattled the Chinese."

India's 2007 defense budget was about $21.7 billion, up 7.8 percent from 2006. China said its 2008 military budget would jump 17.6 percent to some $59 billion, following a similar increase last year. The U.S. estimates China's actual defense spending may be much higher.

Like India, China is focusing heavily on its navy, building an increasingly sophisticated submarine fleet that could eventually be one of the world's largest.

While analysts believe China's military buildup is mostly focused on preventing U.S. intervention in any conflict with Taiwan, India is still likely to persist in efforts to catch up as China expands its influence in what is essentially India's backyard. Meanwhile, Sri Lankans -- who have looked warily for centuries at vast India to the north -- welcome the Chinese investment in their country.

"Our lives are going to change," said 62-year-old Jayasena Senanayake, who has seen business grow at his roadside food stall since construction began on the nearby port. "What China is doing for us is very good."

Associated Press writer Christopher Bodeen contributed to this report from Beijing.
 

Rish

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India setting up listening posts in Madagascar.
http://www.*************.com/reports/3453

The article is from india defense in-case the link doesn't work.

Also here as well:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hNkiuHoiDcjL3Aiw7wogBOUTAprwD915B1AO1
This link is more extensive, but says the same thing.

Indian Navy Activates Listening Post, Monitoring Station in Madagascar, Indian Ocean

Dated 18/7/2007

India has activated its first listening post on foreign soil that will keep an eye on ship movements in the Indian Ocean. A key monitoring station in northern Madagascar, complete with radars and surveillance gear to intercept maritime communication, was quietly made operational earlier this month as part of Indian Navy’s strategy to protect the country's sea lanes of commerce.

The monitoring station, under construction since last year when India took on a lease from Antananarivo, will link up with similar naval facilities in Kochi and Mumbai to gather intelligence on foreign navies operating in the region. "A naval asset with limited anchoring facilities has been activated. It will facilitate possible maneuvers by the navy in the region," a ministry official said.

While the station will also monitor piracy and terrorist activities, its primary aim is to counter the growing Chinese influence in the Indian Ocean Region. The station is India’s first in southern Indian Ocean that is gaining importance due to increasing oil traffic across the Cape of Good Hope and the Mozambique Channel route preferred by super tankers.

The US already has a permanent military base with aerial assets and monitoring facilities in Diego Garcia, 1,400 nautical miles north-east of the Madagascar facility.

India is looking at developing another monitoring facility at an atoll it has leased from Mauritius in the near future. While the ministry remains silent, sources say some forward movement has recently been made on the project.

“With berthing rights in Oman and monitoring stations in Madagascar, Mauritius, Kochi and Mumbai, the navy will effectively box in the region to protect sea lanes right from Mozambique and the Cape of Good Hope to the Gulf of Oman,†an official said.

The navy has already made its presence felt along the African coast with regular warships deployments to monitor piracy and terrorist movements. India also inked an agreement with Mozambique last year to mount periodical maritime patrolling off its vast coast. In 2003, the Indian navy provided seaward protection for the African Union summit at Mozambique.
 

niteshkjain

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The Gorshakov saga carries on..........

http://www.indiaprwire.com/businessnews/20080617/30998.htm

Russia to drive hard bargain for aircraft carrier

"Russia will drive a hard bargain in renegotiating the price of an aircraft carrier the Indian Navy has purchased and for which Moscow is seeking $1.2 billion over and above the $1.5 billion that had been agreed on, the country's envoy here says."


New Delhi, Delhi, India, 2008-06-17 20:45:03

Russia will drive a hard bargain in renegotiating the price of an aircraft carrier the Indian Navy has purchased and for which Moscow is seeking $1.2 billion over and above the $1.5 billion that had been agreed on, the country's envoy here says.
And, in a clear indication that the defence ties between the two countries were not what they were, Ambassador Vyacheslav I. Trubnikov hedged his bets on transferring technology for the T-90 main battle tank and for the cryogenic engine of the BrahMos cruise missile that India and Russia have jointly developed.
Trubnikov was addressing a press conference after inaugurating a swanky Russian Information Centre here Tuesday.
'It's a complicated issue. There are objective and subjective factors,' the ambassador said while referring to the negotiations underway on the Russian demand for more money for the aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov that has been renamed INS Vikramaditya.
'Our economy was in a very different condition (when negotiations for the ship had begun). Our shipyards were out of work. We agreed to the hard deal struck by the Indians,' the ambassador maintained.
'The reality is very different today. When we look at the figures, they are unrealistic as the scope of the work (involved in refurbishing the ship) was grossly underestimated,' Trubnikov added.
Under the original deal, India was to buy the carrier for $1.5 billion. Of this, $970 million was meant for the refurbishment of the vessel that has been mothballed since a devastating fire in the mid-1990s. The remaining $530 million was meant for the MiG-29K fighter jets, Kamov surveillance and anti-submarine warfare helicopters that will be deployed on the vessel.
The increased cost, the Russians now say, has been necessitated by the new engines and boilers the ship requires, 'hundreds of miles' of cabling, the strengthening of the flight deck, refurbishing the arrester wires and other safety equipment, as also the extensive sea trials the ship will have to undergo after the refit.
Indian officials admit they would have to fork out more for the vessel but are not too sure of the figure.
'The figure of $970 million is perhaps not seriously doable,' Defence Secretary Vijay Singh had said in February on his return here from Moscow after discussions with the Russian authorities.
Independent analysts here point out that even if India were to meet the entire demand for the additional $1.2 billion, at $2.7 billion the ship would come at a bargain as the cost of building a new aircraft carrier is in the region of $4 billion.
Even as the price renegotiations are to conclude, work on refurbishing the ship is on in full swing at the Sevmash shipyard, one of Russia's oldest and where most of its nuclear submarines have been built. The yard has 28,000 workers, of whom 1,200 have been deployed on the Vikramaditya.
The vessel's 18-month sea trials are to begin in 2010, with delivery scheduled for 2012.
On the question of technology transfer, the ambassador chose his words with care.
'This is a technical issue that has to be addressed by the experts,' Trubnikov said.
India had purchased 310 T-90 tanks in 2001 and was to produce another 1,000 under licence. However, delays in the technology transfer prompted India to sign a contract with Russia in 2006 for 347 tanks to ensure adequate force levels.


In the case of the BrahMos missile, India's defence scientists have repeatedly complained that Russia is not living up to its promise to transfer technology for its cryogenic engine.

'We have not got full technology transfer of the (missile's) engines,' C.G. Krishnadas Nair, a former chairman of state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), had said at a seminar here that Defence Minister A.K. Antony inaugurated.
'We must have access to total technology. This denial is a serious matter,' Nair said, adding: 'No one should hold the other to ransom.'
 

niteshkjain

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http://www.indianexpress.com/story/324199.html
Barak Deal on CBI radar, Navy awaits panel Nod
Manu Pubby
Posted online: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 at 2356 hrs

NEW DELHI, JUNE 17: Responding to an Urgent Navy Requirement, the Ministry of Defence (MoD) has cleared a $120-million Deal to Procure Additional Missiles from Israel’s Rafael Advanced Defence Systems Ltd that has been named in CBI’s FIR for alleged kickbacks in the Barak missile defence system deal.

While a final political decision on whether or not to engage the company will be taken by the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) shortly, the procurement has been cleared by MoD’s Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) after the Navy pressed for urgent missile supplies to arm its Barak ship defence system.

As reported by The Indian Express on March 11, procurement of additional missiles for Barak systems fitted on board 10 Indian warships has been stuck due to the ongoing CBI probe into the original deal that was signed in 2000 by the NDA Government. A $325-million IAF deal for which Rafael’s Spyder Air Defence System has been shortlisted is also stalled for the same reason.

There is a Sense of Urgency to Push the Deal through with Missile Reserves of the Barak Systems Hitting a New Low. It is fitted on all frontline warships, including the INS Viraat aircraft carrier, to protect them against missile attacks.

The Navy had again brought this to the notice of the Defence Minister earlier this year and had written a letter urging for Immediate Replacements. Navy chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta also threw his weight behind the Deal in March, saying he is “Very Happy” with the Performance of the “Proven Barak System”.

Defence watchers say that while the Barak missile deal is likely to be cleared by the Government in view of the Navy’s requirement, the Spyder deal may take a bit longer to get through.

In 2006, the Navy had Projected a Requirement of 250 Missiles that would cost an estimated $120 million for its 10 Barak Systems.
But the deal was stalled after CBI named both Israeli Aerospace Industries (IAI) and Rafael, which jointly developed the system, in a FIR lodged on October 9, 2006.

While the MoD has got clearances from both the Central Vigilance Commission and the CBI to go ahead with the Barak deal, the procurement is stuck till a political decision is taken by the Government.

Again politics is affecting the readiness of defense forces :(
 

contedicavour

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The Gorshakov saga carries on..........

http://www.indiaprwire.com/businessnews/20080617/30998.htm

Russia to drive hard bargain for aircraft carrier

"Russia will drive a hard bargain in renegotiating the price of an aircraft carrier the Indian Navy has purchased and for which Moscow is seeking $1.2 billion over and above the $1.5 billion that had been agreed on, the country's envoy here says."


New Delhi, Delhi, India, 2008-06-17 20:45:03

Russia will drive a hard bargain in renegotiating the price of an aircraft carrier the Indian Navy has purchased and for which Moscow is seeking $1.2 billion over and above the $1.5 billion that had been agreed on, the country's envoy here says.
And, in a clear indication that the defence ties between the two countries were not what they were, Ambassador Vyacheslav I. Trubnikov hedged his bets on transferring technology for the T-90 main battle tank and for the cryogenic engine of the BrahMos cruise missile that India and Russia have jointly developed.
Trubnikov was addressing a press conference after inaugurating a swanky Russian Information Centre here Tuesday.
'It's a complicated issue. There are objective and subjective factors,' the ambassador said while referring to the negotiations underway on the Russian demand for more money for the aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov that has been renamed INS Vikramaditya.
'Our economy was in a very different condition (when negotiations for the ship had begun). Our shipyards were out of work. We agreed to the hard deal struck by the Indians,' the ambassador maintained.
'The reality is very different today. When we look at the figures, they are unrealistic as the scope of the work (involved in refurbishing the ship) was grossly underestimated,' Trubnikov added.
Under the original deal, India was to buy the carrier for $1.5 billion. Of this, $970 million was meant for the refurbishment of the vessel that has been mothballed since a devastating fire in the mid-1990s. The remaining $530 million was meant for the MiG-29K fighter jets, Kamov surveillance and anti-submarine warfare helicopters that will be deployed on the vessel.
The increased cost, the Russians now say, has been necessitated by the new engines and boilers the ship requires, 'hundreds of miles' of cabling, the strengthening of the flight deck, refurbishing the arrester wires and other safety equipment, as also the extensive sea trials the ship will have to undergo after the refit.
Indian officials admit they would have to fork out more for the vessel but are not too sure of the figure.
'The figure of $970 million is perhaps not seriously doable,' Defence Secretary Vijay Singh had said in February on his return here from Moscow after discussions with the Russian authorities.
Independent analysts here point out that even if India were to meet the entire demand for the additional $1.2 billion, at $2.7 billion the ship would come at a bargain as the cost of building a new aircraft carrier is in the region of $4 billion.
Even as the price renegotiations are to conclude, work on refurbishing the ship is on in full swing at the Sevmash shipyard, one of Russia's oldest and where most of its nuclear submarines have been built. The yard has 28,000 workers, of whom 1,200 have been deployed on the Vikramaditya.
The vessel's 18-month sea trials are to begin in 2010, with delivery scheduled for 2012.
On the question of technology transfer, the ambassador chose his words with care.
'This is a technical issue that has to be addressed by the experts,' Trubnikov said.
India had purchased 310 T-90 tanks in 2001 and was to produce another 1,000 under licence. However, delays in the technology transfer prompted India to sign a contract with Russia in 2006 for 347 tanks to ensure adequate force levels.


In the case of the BrahMos missile, India's defence scientists have repeatedly complained that Russia is not living up to its promise to transfer technology for its cryogenic engine.

'We have not got full technology transfer of the (missile's) engines,' C.G. Krishnadas Nair, a former chairman of state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), had said at a seminar here that Defence Minister A.K. Antony inaugurated.
'We must have access to total technology. This denial is a serious matter,' Nair said, adding: 'No one should hold the other to ransom.'
If I were the US I would have some fun by fanning rumours of Kitty Hawk sale again - just to ruin the Russians' negotiation ;)

cheers
 

kay_man

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If I were the US I would have some fun by fanning rumours of Kitty Hawk sale again - just to ruin the Russians' negotiation ;)

cheers
ahahahahhaha good 1.:D:);)

however i must say that its about time India should graduate to the next level by buying bigger cariers.

in the next decade India will be operating atleast 2 and at the most 3 small carriers.

ins vikramaditya aka gorshkov
indegenous airdefence ship (around 37000-40000 tons)

and if things proceed smoothly maybe another air defence ship so that it has atleast 2 ships in active service at any given time (one for each fleet).

maybe its time that india should start negotiating for an old kitty hawk sized ship, and maybe few years later try indegenously cr8ing it or buying a new one (maybe nuclear powered:D:D:D:D)
 

kams

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Indian Navy to get amphibious warfare school

Kakinada, June 24 (IANS) The Indian Navy took the first step Tuesday in establishing an amphibious warfare school with Minister of State for Defence M.M. Pallam Raju performing the groundbreaking ceremony for a naval enclave near this Andhra Pradesh port city. The Advanced Amphibious Warfare School and Fleet Support Complex will be housed in the enclave that will come up along the beach road on the outskirts of Kakinada, about 500 km from state capital Hyderabad.

The enclave will also bolster the Indian Navy’s capabilities along the east coast as it will complement its Eastern Naval Headquarters at Visakhapatnam further up the coast and also help guard the Krishna-Godavri basin where huge gas reserves have been discovered
A land fighting demonstration by troops of the Indian Army’s 18 Madras Regiment, a steam past by landing craft and a flypast by Sea King and Chetak helicopters rounded off the show.
So here is the begining of an Indian amphibious assault force. Wonder whether 18 Madras Regiment will be assigned to this task. This is the oldest regiment of Indian army, raised in 1758.
 

swerve

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maybe its time that india should start negotiating for an old kitty hawk sized ship, ...
1. They aren't for sale.
2. They'd cost so much to refurbish & operate for a few years that it'd very quickly be cheaper to buy a new ship of a modern design.
 

niteshkjain

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http://www.expressindia.com/latest-...an-nuclear-submarine-after-17-yr-wait/330891/

India to get Russian nuclear submarine after 17 yr wait

Posted online: Thursday , July 03, 2008 at 01:38:24
Updated: Thursday , July 03, 2008 at 01:38:24

Moscow, July 3: India will get its first Akula class Russian nuclear submarine in 2009, equipping its navy with the quietest and lethal underwater war machine after a gap of 17 years to enhance its blue water capabilities.
Factory trials of the multi-role nuclear submarine, christened INS Chakra which India-will get on a 10-year-lease, commenced on June 11 at the Komsomolsk-on-Amur shipyard and will be followed by sea trials, Russian defence sources said, adding it will be delivered by September 2009.

According to experts, Chakra would help India fill the void caused by the delays in the indigenous Advanced Technology Vessel project to build a nuclear powered, guided missile attack submarine.

Three Indian naval crews for the nuclear submarine have already been trained at the specially set up training centre in Sosnovy Bor near St. Petersburg.

This facility would also be used for training crews for the Indian nuclear submarines of ATV project currently in the advanced stages of development, sources said.

Though they said that India has financed the completion of construction of submarine of project 971 "Shchuka B"(NATO codename Akula) under the USD 650 million deal signed in 2004 as part of the larger Gorshkov package, they did not reveal the cost of the lease of Chakra.

Akula (Shark) is the quietest Russian attack submarine and Chakra has been christened after its predecessor leased by the Indian Navy in 1988 from the erstwhile USSR.

In January 1988, ex-USSR had leased K-43 nuclear submarine of project 670 (NATO codename Charlie) which was with the Indian Navy as INS Chakra till March 1991, when under the intense US pressure beleaguered Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev had refused to extend the lease.


Quite a good news. As per the news this is the first one hope we get the second one soon.
 

gf0012-aust

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http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/India-to-get-Russian-nuclear-submarine-after-17-yr-wait/330891/In January 1988, ex-USSR had leased K-43 nuclear submarine of project 670 (NATO codename Charlie) which was with the Indian Navy as INS Chakra till March 1991, when under the intense US pressure beleaguered Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev had refused to extend the lease.

Thats stretching the truth a fair bit. The vessel was leaking radiation, had sunk at berth (twice) and was raised to the surface, cleaned out and provided for lease. Soviet and Russian sailors refused to go to sea in it as it was regarded as jinxed.

It was given back as it was regarded as a death trap - it had nothing to do with the americans.
 

aaaditya

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hey guys,here is an inteersting article on the sonar development in india.from the drdo news letter,the new generation humsa-ng sonar has been developed and is also to be used on the three krivak class of frigates currently under construction in russia as well as other indian naval warships under construction.

http://www.drdo.org/bnews/npol/index.html

The Eighties- APSOH and HUMVAD
Till early eighties we were dependent on British make sonars for the underwater operation. In 1981, NPOL developed the first sonar APSOH (Advanced Panoramic Sonar Hull mounted) for fitment on warship. It was productionised by Bharat Electronics and was fitted onboard INS Himagiri. It was a great success. This and its variant HUMVAD (HUll Mounted and Variable Depth) were fitted in 10 warships. Each system costed about 3-5 crores then. With this development the indigenisation of ship sonar was achieved.
The Nineties - HUMSA
With the excellent performance of APSOH sonar, Navy wanted technologically upgraded second generation of Frigate sonar. Navy placed order on BE Bangalore directly with NPOL providing the design support. This model of partnership ensured the commitment on both the Navy side and production side towards induction of developed systems. The product was christened as HUMSA (HUll mounted Sonar Advanced). NPOL developed the state of the art display and signal processing hardware and software with advanced algorithms put in place. The increased processing capabilities offered by the microprocessors and signal processors available at that time, made the system quite advanced.
BE has produced more than 14 systems to-date since 1998 and a few more are on demand. The three Talwar class Frigates India purchased from Russia in 2003-04 were also fitted with HUMSA sonar only. This system has been proving its performance in all platforms and its role has been well appreciated by the Navy.
For the New decade of 2000 – HUMSA NG
In the year 2004, when navy decided on its capability build up plan, there was requirement to upgrade HUMSA design with current technology and architecture. The Mazagon Docks placed order with BE for 10 systems. NPOL and BE entered into an MOU for the development. The harbour and sea trials of the first system on each class of ships are joint responsibility of NPOL and BE. Naval Headquarters is involved in the very beginning closely monitoring the development.
This effective association of NPOL ( the designer) – Bharat Electronics (the manufacturer) – Indian Navy (the User) is contributing remarkably towards bringing down the lead time for realization of advanced sonar systems for the Indian Navy.
The significance of the function

NPOL had committed that it will complete the development of its part HUMSA NG (Version - 1) by June 30th 2008 and hand over to BE so that the system can be cleared for installation in July 2008. To mark the timely completion of this task, a copy of the software and documentation CD was handed over by Sri MM Pallam Raju, RRM to CMD of BE from NPOL on 2nd July 2008.
Report for the Function
“Under the changed economic scenario and fast changing technologies, there is a need to tap the growth of industries outside-be it in the private sector or the public sector effectively to reduce system development time. To reduce this time of delivery, need to transfer technologies to the industrial partners very effectively. Naval Physical & Oceanographic Laboratory (NPOL), Kochi has a three decades aid history of successful partnership with M/s Bharat Electronics, Bangalore. This relationship is a model for all other industrial partnerships. Maybe, the industry also has to invest same funds in matured sub-technologies, even before Navy places order on them, so that the time at gestation for the first production system can be minimised”. Opined Shri MM Pallam Raju after handing over the documents symbolically to mark the completion of development of HUMSA-NG and its transfer of technology developed at NPOL (DRDO) to Shri VVR Sastry, Chairman and Managing Director of Bharat Electronics, Bangalore.
Shri VVR Sastry, recalled the long three decades of partnership relations with NPOL in furthering the indigenous development of underwater technology for Indian Navy and this model should be emulated by other research organisations.
“As the innovation made in the field of SONARs is of world class in nature, it is time to look for a global market for such products” said Dr A Sivathanu Pillai, Distinguished Scientist, Chief Controller R&D (NS & ACE), DRDO, while speaking on this occasion. Earlier Shri S Anantha Narayanan, Director, NPOL welcomed. Shri SP Pillai the former Senior Scientist, who gave significant contributions in the sonar development programme was honoured by the Minister. Dr RR Rao, Director (Management) gave vote of thanks.
The Minister visited various project sites and facilities at NPOL and also interacted with the young scientists.
 

aaaditya

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hey guys,here is an image of the indian coast guard's advanced offshore patrol vessel ,this vessel is the cgs sankalp commissioned into the indian coast guard on 25 april of this year,another vessel of this class was launched today .

3 of these vessels are being built by the goa shipyards limited for the indian coast guard.

here is the link:

http://www.goashipyard.co.in/tendattach/Events/1.jpg
 
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