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niteshkjain

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This is a gr8 news, we can see the battle field changing
http://www.hindustantimes.com/story...+to+get+weapon+of+light&strParent=strParentID

Navy to get weapon of light

The laser is emerging out of the realm of sci-fi to debut in combat. For the first time, coalition forces in Iraq and Afghanistan are planning to unleash the technology’s vast potential to combat the threat of insurgent missile and rocket attacks.

Signalling a revolution in military hardware, India too can grab a slice of that technology with the US proposing to equip the navy’s second-largest warship INS Jalashwa with a new generation laser system that would enable it to blast enemy missiles in the sky.

The new weapon can easily be mounted alongside the Jalashwa’s Phalanx close-in weapon system for shooting down incoming targets at the speed of light, claimed US defence firm Raytheon that has found military application for the laser. The Phalanx currently uses advanced radar and computer technology to locate, identify and direct a stream of 20 mm armour-piercing projectiles to the target.

Admiral Walter F. Doran (retd), head of Raytheon’s Asia business, told HT at the Farnborough international airshow that the laser system slaved to the Phalanx would significantly enhance the Jalashwa’s defence capabilities to decimate incoming threats. Installed on all US combatant ships, the Phalanx provides a warship last-chance defence against anti-ship missiles and close-in-air and surface threats that may have penetrated other fleet defences.

The reason British MoD and US military want to equip their forces with laser power is the obvious advantages it enjoys over bullets — the laser can shoot forever as long as there is electricity.

The laser discharges energy beams to destroy targets. Raytheon’s chief of directed energy systems Mike Booen said this new breed of weaponry, labeled “directed-energy weapons”, could be adopted for ground, air and sea warfare. Land-based Phalanx systems are on the verge of being deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The laser has already been tested for its capability to destroy 60 mm mortars.
 

aaaditya

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This is a gr8 news, we can see the battle field changing
http://www.hindustantimes.com/story...+to+get+weapon+of+light&strParent=strParentID

Navy to get weapon of light

The laser is emerging out of the realm of sci-fi to debut in combat. For the first time, coalition forces in Iraq and Afghanistan are planning to unleash the technology’s vast potential to combat the threat of insurgent missile and rocket attacks.

Signalling a revolution in military hardware, India too can grab a slice of that technology with the US proposing to equip the navy’s second-largest warship INS Jalashwa with a new generation laser system that would enable it to blast enemy missiles in the sky.

The new weapon can easily be mounted alongside the Jalashwa’s Phalanx close-in weapon system for shooting down incoming targets at the speed of light, claimed US defence firm Raytheon that has found military application for the laser. The Phalanx currently uses advanced radar and computer technology to locate, identify and direct a stream of 20 mm armour-piercing projectiles to the target.

Admiral Walter F. Doran (retd), head of Raytheon’s Asia business, told HT at the Farnborough international airshow that the laser system slaved to the Phalanx would significantly enhance the Jalashwa’s defence capabilities to decimate incoming threats. Installed on all US combatant ships, the Phalanx provides a warship last-chance defence against anti-ship missiles and close-in-air and surface threats that may have penetrated other fleet defences.

The reason British MoD and US military want to equip their forces with laser power is the obvious advantages it enjoys over bullets — the laser can shoot forever as long as there is electricity.

The laser discharges energy beams to destroy targets. Raytheon’s chief of directed energy systems Mike Booen said this new breed of weaponry, labeled “directed-energy weapons”, could be adopted for ground, air and sea warfare. Land-based Phalanx systems are on the verge of being deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The laser has already been tested for its capability to destroy 60 mm mortars.
i wonder what benefit such a system would serve on the jalashwa,it would be more usefull on pricipal surface combatants such as destroyers and aircraft carriers.
 

niteshkjain

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i wonder what benefit such a system would serve on the jalashwa,it would be more usefull on pricipal surface combatants such as destroyers and aircraft carriers.
May be it is beginning of a sell for standardizing IN towards phanlax and this new weapon as close in defense :)
 

aaaditya

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hey guys ,great news here,the next batch of seaman have completed their training at ins chilka and have joined into active service.

here is the link and the article:

http://www.thestatesman.net/page.news.php?clid=9&theme=&usrsess=1&id=214713

Sea warriors of INS Chilka ready to serve country
Statesman News Service
INS CHILKA, July 20: As many as 1244 trainees, who have become confident and disciplined sea warriors after undergoing a rigorous basic training curriculum for about 24 weeks, successfully passed out from here yesterday. They included 965 Senior Secondary Recruits (SSRs), 123 Matric and Non-Martic Recruits (MR/NMRs), 131 Naviks (General Duty) and 23 Naviks (Domestic Branch) of the Indian Navy and Coast Guard.
The passing-out parade was reviewed by Vice Admiral Shekhar Sinha, AVSM, NM & BAR, Controller Personnel Services IHQ (MOD) Navy. Commodore MVS Kumar, VSM Naval-Officer-in-charge Orissa and Commanding Officer, INS Chilka was the conducting officer for the parade.
Among the passing out trainees, Shankar Singh, SSR ,No 217784 R was awarded for his performance in overall aggregate for academics, service subjects and outdoor activities and he received the Chief of the Naval Staff Rolling Trophy and Flag Officer Commanding-in-Chief Southern Naval Command Gold Medal. Rajgopalan B, SSR, 218345 R was adjudged the Second in Overall Order of Merit and was awarded the Flag Officer Commanding-in-Chief Southern Naval Command silver medal. Mandeep SSR, 218158 R stood third in overall merit and received the Flag Officer Commanding-in-Chief Southern Naval Command Bronze medal.
Anu Kiran, NVK (GD), 06024 S was adjudged the best All Round NVK (GD), for which he received the Director General Coast Guard Rolling Trophy. Rameshwar Dwivedi, NMR, 400286 T was adjudged Best all Round in overall aggregate for academics, service subjects and outdoor activities and received the Chief of the Naval Staff Rolling Trophy and Flag Officer Commanding-in-Chief Southern Naval Command Gold Medal. Vinay kumar Chelluri MR, 400325 W was adjudged the Second in Overall Order of Merit and was awarded the Flag Officer Commanding-in-Chief Southern Naval Command silver medal.
These passed-out trainees will be deputed to various training schools for professional courses, which will gear them to man frontline ships, submarines and air squadrons of the Indian Navy and Coast Guard. Apart from regular class room instructions, the trainees were imparted training in outdoor and waterborne activities to develop physical stamina, strength, esprit-de-corps and camaraderie. The trainees are also exposed to various adventure activities like Route March, Sailing Expedition to Rambha and Chilka Lake Mouth, Outdoor Camps, Weapons Firing, Jal Tarang and Lake Swimming. Regimental aspects of training were also imbibed in them through Drill, Cross Country, Seamanship and Troop games.
 

aaaditya

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hey guys,check out this interetsing news ,

italian company finmecanica is manufacturing 76mm guns for indian naval and coast guard vessels ,and also hopes to sell patrol aircrafts to the navy and the coast guard as well as the c-27j spartan aircrafts to the border security force.

here is the link and the article:

http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=590379


Eyeing India whose annual defence spending is expected to touch a whopping USD 10 billion in the next five years, an Italian defence major has announced plans to focus on the subcontinent from next year by forging tie ups with local companies.
"We are extending our presence both commercially and in terms of production to high potential markets and India will be our focus area in the coming years beginning 2009," Finmeccanica's chairman and chief executive officer Pier Francesco Guarguaglini told PTI here.
"Where possible and necessary, we plan to do this largely through local and international partnerships," Guarguaglini said, when asked about the likely 50 per cent offsets clause in India's to-be-announced Defence Procurement Plan-2008.
"By integrating our technological and product excellence with that of other companies, we will be able to increase our commercial opportunities, reduce risks and investments, and speed up time to market our products," he emphasised.
In fact, Finmeccanica has a large presence in India, with nine of the 15 offices and production facilities in Asia alone based in the sub-continent. Whereas, neighbouring China had just three offices and facilities.
"India is certainly a major market for Finmeccanica in the defence and aerospace field, which are our company's two pillars. The third pillar, of course, is defence electronics," Finmeccanica's chief operating officer Giorgio Zappa said.
"We are not in India for any short-term relationships. We are looking at long-term benefits," Zappa added.
Already, Finmeccanica has a major role in the defence and aerospace sector in India in the form of tie-ups with Defence Public Sector Undertakings.
Finmeccanica was working with the Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited (BHEL) in the production of the 76mm guns under licence for some radar parts and in transportation market.
It was also collaborating with Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL) on building of radars for the Air Traffic Control of airports and Defence airbases. Work was also on jointly with bluechip Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) in the aerospace sector, as also with the Bharat Dynamics Limited (BDL) in the field of torpedoes and laser missiles.
In the private sector, Finmeccanica had signed a memorandum of understanding with Mahindras and discussion for a similar tie-up with Tatas was in progress.
The Italian major was also working on joint ventures to buy out certain companies, all within the limitations and restrictions imposed by the Indian government, according to Finmeccanica's India country head Paola Girasole.
"We are awaiting some relaxation in the foreign direct investment limits of 26 per cent from the Indian government. We are not here only to sell, but also to buy," Girasole said. India is already considering a proposal to increase the FDI limits in the Defence sector to 49 per cent.
Finmeccanica was extending support to the Seaking helicopters and was building Joint Cargo Aircraft (JCA) C27J for the Border Security Force. Incidentally, C27J was also sold to the US last year.
In the future, Finmeccanica was looking at opportunities in India in the form of the maritime patrol aircraft for which it would place its aircraft that were in use with the Italian coast guard at present.
 

StevoJH

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Is procurement funded completely seperatably from the normal defense budget in India? Just wondering because i dont see how india could maintain the military it does, from a budget that is less then half of what australia pays annually on the RAN, RN and Army.
 

swerve

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Is procurement funded completely seperatably from the normal defense budget in India? Just wondering because i dont see how india could maintain the military it does, from a budget that is less then half of what australia pays annually on the RAN, RN and Army.
That $10 billion is a journalists figure. The overall defence budget is about $26.5 billion this year, & as national definitions differ, that may not include exactly the same as Australias. Maybe $12 billion for equipment alone.

A discussion of the budget, & what is & isn't in it - How much really is indias defence budget?

If Ajai Shukla is right, spending on the NATO definition is likely to be about $33.5 bn this FY.
 
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kams

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Is procurement funded completely seperatably from the normal defense budget in India? Just wondering because i dont see how india could maintain the military it does, from a budget that is less then half of what australia pays annually on the RAN, RN and Army.
Procurement funding is part of actual defence budget, falls under the head of Capital budget. Pay, Training, spares etc come from Defence Revenue budget, pension comes froma different budget head, separate from Defence budget.

Look up the revenue part of budget and the Pension fund, compare with that of Australia, you will know the answer.
 

aaaditya

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some defence procurement under the heading capital equipment recieve extra budgetary allocation(for example procurement of su-30mki,acquisition of new radars etc),some classified projects like the atv nuclear submarine project recieve special funding which is not shown in the regular defence budget.
 

aaaditya

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hey guys,interesting news here,indian navy is to acquire upto 37 maritime surveillance helicopters.

here check out this link and article:

http://news.in.msn.com/national/article.aspx?cp-documentid=1585748

Indian Navy to buy 37 anti-sub choppers

The ministry has finalised global tenders to acquire troop carrying and anti-submarine helicopters as well as to upgrade its fleet of Sea King and Kamov-28 helicopters

New Delhi: The Indian Navy is all set to strengthen its air fleet by acquiring 26 Sea King anti-submarine and troop carrying helicopters and 11 Kamov-28 choppers.

The Defence Ministry will soon issue the request for proposal (RFP) to procure these 37 anti-submarine helicopters. The contract for choppers is worth Rs.14, 500 million

The ministry has finalised global tenders to acquire troop carrying and anti-submarine helicopters as well as to upgrade its fleet of Sea King and Kamov-28 helicopters, a senior naval officer said.

He also said that the delivery of 12 single-seat MiG-29K and 4 two-seat MiG-29KUB would start by the year-end. They will be later deployed on the Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier being refitted in Russia.

The first batch of four aircraft for the Navy is likely to fly into the naval air station at Goa.

The officer also said that the Navy is also looking for its own Airborne Early Warning Aircraft.

The navy operates 14 Sea King and 12 Kamov anti-submarine helicopters. In addition, the Sea Kings are also used for reconnaissance, search and rescue operations, and for ferrying personnel and supplies.

Meanwhile, in a major drive to modernise the armed forces and expand aviation wings of the Services, the Defence Ministry today issued a RFP to procure 197 helicopters. The proposed procurement is worth Rs.30, 000 million.

The armed forces will modernise their helicopter fleet by 2010 by replacing the age-old Cheetah and Chetak, which have been in service for last 40 years.
 

ASFC

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They surely cannot mean 26 new (well new to India) Seakings surely? Unless a journo has made a mistake and they want 26 helicopters similar to the Seaking?

Where would they get 26 half-decent Seakings from?
 

aaaditya

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They surely cannot mean 26 new (well new to India) Seakings surely? Unless a journo has made a mistake and they want 26 helicopters similar to the Seaking?

Where would they get 26 half-decent Seakings from?
he has definitely made a mistake, india intends to upgrade its 26 sea king helicopters,while acquiring 37 new helicopters,the helicopters likely to be evaluated are the merlin,cougar,nh-90 and us helicopters.

i have no idea about any russian helicopters available besides the ka-32 in which the indian navy is not interested.

i believe that the nh-90 is the favourite,while the air force is inteersted in acquiring the cougar,i believe both requirements would be merged to ensure a common platform for both the services.
 

Salty Dog

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It does make more sense to replace the Seakings with newer models. The Brazilian Navy is replacing their Seakings with SH-60 Seahawks.
 

kay_man

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It does make more sense to replace the Seakings with newer models. The Brazilian Navy is replacing their Seakings with SH-60 Seahawks.
that would mean depleting the airwing strenght to dangerously low numbers at a time when they need more.
instead upgrading the current aircraft and simultaneously adding new helos (thus beefing up the airwing) makes more sense if you ask me.
the sea kings can be replaced later on when there are sufficient nos. of other helos available for use.
 

Salty Dog

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that would mean depleting the airwing strenght to dangerously low numbers at a time when they need more.
instead upgrading the current aircraft and simultaneously adding new helos (thus beefing up the airwing) makes more sense if you ask me.
the sea kings can be replaced later on when there are sufficient nos. of other helos available for use.
New acquisition airframes will replace those already in service. To upgrade aircraft, you have to take current aircraft out of service anyway, so why not just leave those active until the new ones arrive? I do not see a reduction in numbers with this scenario. You already mentioned this.

The H-3 airframe is getting very old and parts, training, simulators, etc will mean higher operating costs. Best for the IN to get new models. Without having to maintain operational aircraft carriers during the next few years, the IN should have some $$$ to spend.
 

niteshkjain

New Member
So the klub works, good news indeed

http://en.rian.ru/world/20080729/115138213.html

Indian submarine to join navy after delayed refit in Russia
12:09 | 29/ 07/ 2008

ST. PETERSBURG, July 29 (RIA Novosti) - The INS Sindhuvijay diesel-electric submarine will set sail for India on August 5 to rejoin the Indian navy after an extensive overhaul at a shipyard in northern Russia, the company said on Tuesday.

The Project 877EKM Kilo-class submarine had been undergoing a refit at the Zvezdochka shipyard in Severodvinsk since 2005.

The overhaul was delayed for six months due to the unacceptable performance of its new SS-N-27 Club-S cruise missiles. In six consecutive pre-delivery test firings in September - November 2007, the Club missiles failed to find their targets and India refused to accept the delivery until all the problems had been fixed.

The Club-S subsonic cruise missile is designed for launch from a 533 mm torpedo tube, or a vertical launch tube. It has a range of 160 nautical miles (about 220 km). It uses an ARGS-54 active radar seeker and Glonass satellite and inertial guidance.

The new trials were completed in mid-July and were successful.

Sindhuvijay is the 4th Indian navy submarine to have been refitted at the Zvyozdochka shipyard.

The upgrade program also involved a complete overhaul of the submarine, including its hull structure, as well as improved control systems, sonars, electronic warfare systems, and an integrated weapon control system. The upgrades reportedly cost about $80 million.

Russia's Kilo-class diesel-electric submarines have gained a reputation as extremely quiet boats, and have been purchased by China, India, Iran, Poland, Romania and Algeria.
 

tphuang

Super Moderator
So the klub works, good news indeed

http://en.rian.ru/world/20080729/115138213.html

Indian submarine to join navy after delayed refit in Russia
12:09 | 29/ 07/ 2008

ST. PETERSBURG, July 29 (RIA Novosti) - The INS Sindhuvijay diesel-electric submarine will set sail for India on August 5 to rejoin the Indian navy after an extensive overhaul at a shipyard in northern Russia, the company said on Tuesday.

The Project 877EKM Kilo-class submarine had been undergoing a refit at the Zvezdochka shipyard in Severodvinsk since 2005.

The overhaul was delayed for six months due to the unacceptable performance of its new SS-N-27 Club-S cruise missiles. In six consecutive pre-delivery test firings in September - November 2007, the Club missiles failed to find their targets and India refused to accept the delivery until all the problems had been fixed.

The Club-S subsonic cruise missile is designed for launch from a 533 mm torpedo tube, or a vertical launch tube. It has a range of 160 nautical miles (about 220 km). It uses an ARGS-54 active radar seeker and Glonass satellite and inertial guidance.

The new trials were completed in mid-July and were successful.

Sindhuvijay is the 4th Indian navy submarine to have been refitted at the Zvyozdochka shipyard.

The upgrade program also involved a complete overhaul of the submarine, including its hull structure, as well as improved control systems, sonars, electronic warfare systems, and an integrated weapon control system. The upgrades reportedly cost about $80 million.

Russia's Kilo-class diesel-electric submarines have gained a reputation as extremely quiet boats, and have been purchased by China, India, Iran, Poland, Romania and Algeria.
It's interesting that the Chinese ones have also been reporting success recently. I guess they've finally fixed most of the problems. It still doesn't sound anywhere close to the world-beater missile that it's been advertised as.
 

niteshkjain

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It's interesting that the Chinese ones have also been reporting success recently. I guess they've finally fixed most of the problems. It still doesn't sound anywhere close to the world-beater missile that it's been advertised as.
This news article might be of interest:

Is china is also getting Club-S?

http://outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?gid=73&id=594320

India to acquire underwater land attack missiles

NEW DELHI, JULY 31 (PTI)
India is on the verge of acquiring a strategic capability to strike land targets thousands of miles from its shores by inducting the Russian underwater launched Club-S subsonic cruise missiles.

The missiles will come armed in early August on Indian Navy's new series of upgraded Kilo-class submarine INS Sindhuvijay, according to Naval sources here.

Sindhuvijay will be the first of Kilo-class submarines to be fitted with these land attack versions of the new breaking technology Club-S cruise missiles, which have a flight range of 275 nautical miles.

"The high-precision missile can be launched from standard torpedo tubes from a depth of 35 to 40 meters," Naval sources said.

Sindhuvijay is the fourth Indian Navy's Kilo-class submarine that has been overhauled at Zvezdochka shipyard in northern Russia. Besides the land attack version, the subs are also coming armed with 3M-54EI anti-ship cruise missiles.

Labelled by NATO as one of the quietest submarines in the world, the upgraded Kilo-class subs have undergone extensive changes in the hull as well as getting improved control systems, sonars, new electronic warfare systems and an integrated weapon control system.

The Club-S missiles are new technological weapons still under development in Russia. According to Russian Naval experts, they are simultaneously being fitted in new series of submarines.

Indian Navy signed a 80 million dollar contract with Russia in 2001 to retrofit its entire fleet of ten Kilo-class submarines to enable them for firing Club-S cruise missiles.

India is also asking the Russians to change the design of Kilo-class submarines to undertake test firing of its indegenious underwater launched supersonic Brahmos cruise missiles.

Sindhuvijay was to scheduled be delivered in December last year but the Navy refused to take possession saying that new cruise missiles failed to find their targets in six consecutive test firings in September and November.

"But extensive new trials conducted in mid-July were perfect," Russian sources said.

Naval experts have described the Club-S missiles as "the most versatile weapons" with the capability of swimming out of the sea as well as vertical launch.

The new missiles use an ARGS-5 active radar seeker, new Russian Glosnass satellite and inertial guidance.

Naval sources said Sindhuvijay will start sailing from the Russian shipyard located close to the White sea on August 5 and dock at Western Naval Command base in Mumbai a week later.

Russia Kilo-class diesel-electric submarines have gained a reputation as being extremely quiet vessels and have become part of navies in India, China, Iran, Poland and Alergia.
 

niteshkjain

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RUSSIA'S OFFER OF IMPROVED AMUR CLASS SUBMARINES WITH BRAHMOS MUST BE CONSIDERED SERIOUSLY, what u say guys?
http://www.indiadefenceupdate.com/news130.html
The spot light is shining on Indian Navy's choice for its second critical multi billion dollar indigenous submarine building programme. The HDW scandal of the 80s had put a halt to India's submarine building in Mazagon Docks Ltd, for no fault of the Navy. An excellent submarine building establishment which had been built up at the East Yard of the Mazagon Docks Ltd by 1985, had to be disbanded after two HDW-IKL 1500 ton design subs, had been successfully commissioned. An innocuous telegram from India's Ambassador in Germany, inquiring if the 7.5% commission was to be paid for the 6th and 7th submarines as for the first four, set in motion a CBI witch hunt with political cover ups, and finally died a natural death only in 2006. But India's ambitions to build submarines in numbers were disrupted. In the interregnum the Navy acquired 10 double decked Kilo class boats, including two on barter payments from the erstwhile Soviet Union, between 1986 and 2000. The boats had to be routinely sent back to Russia for mid life refits and conversion to fire Klub missiles at great cost to the exchequer. An attempt has been made to refit the first Kilo class at the Hindustan Shipyard Ltd Vishakapatnam but expertise has been lacking. For such specialised refits a nation needs to possess its own submarine building facilities and the Navy's 30 year submarine building programme envisages just that.

THE SCORPENE SCANDAL

Wisely ten years ago, the Government sanctioned a two line 30 year submarine building plan in the form of joint ventures, and it was envisaged India would become an exporter of submarines. IN's submarine arm rightly clamoured for a submarine centric Navy, but was invariably over ruled by the stronger aircraft carrier lobby. Though two aircraft carriers have been ordered at an estimated cost of over $ 4.5 bill only one submarine line, the 6 Scorpene project was sanctioned in 2005 after much dilly dallying. The project with tube launched Exocet missiles is being executed by the French Armaris/DCNS and Spanish-Navantia combine at a cost of $ 3 bill in the congested yard at Mazagon Docks Ltd. The first Scorpene has already fallen back in its building schedule by one year, and may l roll out in 2013, as of now A legal charge of wrong doing in the deal by Transparency International which is headed by a former Navy Chief who should not be doubted and probably knows it all, still breathes in Delhi's High Court, keeping naval officers in the project in NHQ occupied in courts. The Navy desperately does not want to see another HDW debacle and should not. Another former Naval Chief, whose nephew was an arms dealer (and is surprisingly untraceable) who signed the contract has also not indicated what this is all about so that the matter can be closed. And of course the son of another Naval Chief who is one of India's best known arms dealer is involved as he was representing HDW it is clear from the media articles and was oppsiong the Scorpene deal. Some other officers have been cashiered in what is the famous War Room Leak and former Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee a sharp operator probably knows it all too.

Concurrently the Navy has begun the bids for the second line, and Spain's Navantia S-80A, HDW's 214, Russia's Amur class, DCNS French Super Scorpene and an Italian offer are on the files for selection. All bidders have confirmed they will be able to install a plug of 4/8 under water vertically launched missiles of the BrahMos variety. Incidentally Turkey has swiftly completed a similar exercise and as per their Defence Minister Vecdi Gonul, Turkish Navy has settled for the Kiel-based Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft GmbH(HDW), and its British partner, Marine Force International, over France's DCNS and Spain's Navantia SA. Negotiations are being finalised for the euro 2.5 billion ($4US billion) deal for 6 boats. The vessels would be built in the Golcuk naval shipyard, near Istanbul, and the first submarine would be delivered in 2015. This deal should give insights to Indian planners on the time schedule and costs for delivery, but it needs airing that India has silently acquired much unreported indigenous submarine building skills in its classified ATV nuclear submarine project, which needs to be harnessed and unleashed. It is time the veil of secrecy is lifted.

As of writing the Indian Navy has a depleting conventional operational submarine fleet. As a thumb rule at any given time only 60% of a submarine fleet is operational for war patrols. From its pre eminent strength of 21 underwater killer submarines, which included the nuclear Charlie class boat INS Chakra in 1988, India today has only 10 aging Kilo class and 4 HDW diesel boats some reaching end of their war patrol operational life, at a time when the Navy aspires for 'Blue Water capability'. China is witnessing the dramatic rise of the PLA(Navy)'s large submarine fleet, reported earlier on this site, which Indian planners need to heed. India's nuclear doctrine also includes the caveat of "no first use " and calls for a Triad in which India's Navy is expected to provide for India's nuclear deterrence from the sea, which in fact is true deterrence. India's Sukhanya class OPVs are being modified to fire the 300 km Dhanush which DRDO claims is nuclear capable, but it would be a folly to arm surface ships with nuclear war heads in this day and age for deterrence, as they would be targeted, tracked and criticised.

INDIA'S NUCLEAR SUBMARINE AMBITIONS ARE RUSSIA SUPPORTED

India's Navy will acquire the 9,000 ton Akula nuclear Project 971 boat christened INS Chakra with out VLS capability next year. The boat's reactor had gone critical in June this year and trials have begun at the Amur yard and Indian Navy has trained its key crew and appointed an Inspector General Vice Admiral to oversee nuclear submarine safety at NHQ. Concurrently a large ATV team of DRDO and BARC/Kalpakam research scientists, some 100 naval officers and many more technicians directly under the Prime Minister's Office direction, with Russian help and enriched uranium so supplied, have been struggling for the last 15 years and have installed an indigenous hybrid 90MW Pressure Water Reactor (PWR) built with Russian and other help for the nuclear submarine at the Ship Building Centre (SBC) at Vishakapatnam called the Advanced Technology Vehicle. The project is still kept under semi wraps and it is estimated over $ 1 bill have been spent, but its target dates are now being pushed for launch. There is every indication the hull will be married and launched latest by early next year as many challenges to weld the sections have been overcome. Even in Germany when HDW was building India's submarine one section could not be welded. Hence when this maiden venture succeeds and India's ATV Captain reports from sea he is under way on nuclear power it will truly be an achievement, the nation can be proud of. DRDO is confident they will be able to arm the boat with indigenous 700km under water launched, nuclear capable missiles. Import of missiles with ranges longer than 300km is prohibited under the Missile Technology Control Regime, and India strictly follows the edict.

The Government has to appreciate that the Russians who have supplied the BrahMos missiles have been quick to have grasped India's needs, for its second line of submarines, to make it a win- win situation. Today two front line units of the Indian Navy are BrahMos ready and the future navy's large platforms including INS Vikramaditya( Gorshkov), the Type 15As and all the Kashins will have the supersonic BrahMos capability. This is where the Russian Amur submarine should score in India's selection for the second line. It is not western in origin, which tap can be shut off as was during the sanctions in the past, the Amur has commonalities with India's ATV which is being built with Russian help on the East Coast, and has many Indian suppliers. KSB Pumps, Larsen and Tubro Ltd, Walchand Industries , Bharat Electricals Ltd, Godrej Tatas, Jindal and such are therefore poised to become suppliers for the Amur project. The Russians have carried out tests to launch the BrahMos in an equivalent mock up of a submarine and had earlier offered the elongated hump backed Amur 1650 ton submarine to the Indian Navy. The Amur building programme has been on offer for over five years and discussions to build the boats in India at Hazira by Larsen and Tubro had also been conducted as the second line of construction after the Scorpene deal with Armaris was signed. Larsen is also setting up a shipyard on the East Coast nat Tuttapuli near Ennore and Indian Navy needs such new yards in numbers for its building programmes. The Amur can fill many bills.

There are various camps and foreign suppliers pushing for the second line of submarine building, now made famous by the Suresh Nanda and Naval War Room leak cases, but the final decision should be taken in the national interest, now so much the flavour of our times with the 123 Nuclear deal. One camp argues that Indian Navy look at the Amur offer seriously for all its commonality and capabilities with the Kilo and ATV and long trusted ties with Russia, and others who claim that the western technology is better. These issues can be technologically weighted and proved. Some in the Navy who have designed the Type 75 Scorpene with patience and effort, would like to see their efforts fructify along western lines and are ready to vilify the Russian's 'up start offer', which is reportedly cheaper. The swords are out for the $ 3 bill plus second line of submarine construction for the Indian Navy, and of course with elections round the corner, sweeteners will also be on offer, but the second line of submarine building will be a critical decision for India's maritime ambitions.
 

niteshkjain

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New Delhi, Aug 10 (PTI) With India's aspiration to operate a nuclear submarine likely to be fulfilled next year with Russian-made Akula set to join the fleet, the Indian Navy is pitching for a submarine-launched nuclear missile to boost the nation's deterrence capabilities.
"With nuclear proliferation posing a greater threat along with Weapons of Mass Destruction, our unilateral policy of no-first-use necessitates that India possesses a credible and survivable nuclear deterrent including submarine-launched," Navy chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta said yesterday while delivering a lecture on Navy's vision for the future.

India had in February this year tested a submarine-launched ballistic missile for the first time that would take another three years to be fully operational.

After a delay, Akula nuclear-powered submarine is likely to join service with Indian Navy next year, Mehta said, pointing out that the Navy would basically use the Russian-made submarine for training in personnel before they get to operate the indigenous nuclear-powered submarine that is under secret construction at the Mazagaon Docks in Mumbai.

"Though it is an operational submarine, Akula will be basically used for training Naval operators before they get to operate our indigenous nuclear-powered submarine," the Navy chief said.

A DRDO project, the indigenous nuclear-powered submarine project, codenamed Advanced Technology Vehicle, is said to be well set for sea trials two years from now. PTI
 
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