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mysterious

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Makes sense as to the time line. According to PakDef, the Saab 2000 aircraft completed its median flight on 4th March; about a month for the handover seems logical after all checks have been performed.

PakDef also reported that the first Erieye system for PAF was completed on 26th March so integration should take another month or so?
 
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mysterious said:
Makes sense as to the time line. According to PakDef, the Saab 2000 aircraft completed its median flight on 4th March; about a month for the handover seems logical after all checks have been performed.

PakDef also reported that the first Erieye system for PAF was completed on 26th March so integration should take another month or so?
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PAF has to conduct its own trial & training as well. It will take months or not full whole year before the system is operationally inducted.
 
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mysterious

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Yes I know that. I was speculating the possible timeframe of the AEW system being integrated on to the platform & handed over to Pakistan [not the PAF in operational terms]. Right now, its just the aircraft.
 
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T-Rex

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BilalK said:
Well as far as we know Pakistan has no local engine development project, everything you will hear will be a rumour at worst or privy report at best. Pakistan might have a turbofan project for use on cruise missiles and perhaps UAVs depending on class & role. However anything for use on fighter aircraft will require a lot more time and investment. If Pakistan was indeed looking to produce its own engines, it would likely undertake development through a joint-venture or consortium. Though I wouldn't expect JF-17s to be equipped with Pakistani engines...best to wait for the next fighter.
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I believe development of jet engine is the real trick, if PAC can master that then truly it can claim that Pakistani aeronautical industry is self sufficient. Of course it will take time and investment, but it is the next logical step for the Pakistani aeronautical industry. Instaed of spending on US weapons, the flow of which tend to stop when Pakistan really needs it, the funds should be allocated for development of jet engines.
 
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T-Rex

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I thought F-22 was a 5th generation fighter!

T-Rex; one liners are not allowed & you have done it thrice in this thread already. Secondly some of your posts are response to some other posts yet there is no quotation in it which makes the discussion complicated since no one knows whom you are talking/referring to.

I suggest you read the Rules.

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T-Rex

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I'm sorry Sabre, my last post was sent to another thread but I don't know how it got into this thread. Any way, no one has yet answered my first question. PAF has inducted eight J-17s so far, how many more will be inducted by the end of this year ? To be more precise, at present, what is the production capacity of the PAC, as far as JF-17 is concerned ?
 
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T-Rex said:
I'm sorry Sabre, my last post was sent to another thread but I don't know how it got into this thread. Any way, no one has yet answered my first question. PAF has inducted eight J-17s so far, how many more will be inducted by the end of this year ? To be more precise, at present, what is the production capacity of the PAC, as far as JF-17 is concerned ?
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I haven't met PAC personnel in a long time so I can't give you precise answers. I think 2 to 4 JF-17s might be produced at PAC by the end of this year since PAC just started the production in Pakistan - so the production capacity is low at this moment. At least 12 should be with the PAF by the end of the year as per the schedule of the formation of new squadron (1st & totally based on JF-17s).

The production facility might reach its high or full capacity by the mid or end of the next year & may start producing export aircrafts.
 
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T-Rex

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haven't met PAC personnel in a long time so I can't give you precise answers. I think 2 to 4 JF-17s might be produced at PAC by the end of this year since PAC just started the production in Pakistan - so the production capacity is low at this moment. At least 12 should be with the PAF by the end of the year as per the schedule of the formation of new squadron (1st & totally based on JF-17s).

The production facility might reach its high or full capacity by the mid or end of the next year & may start producing export aircrafts.
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Previously I read a report that stated that PAC's capacity was to be 20 JF-17s/year. If that is the full capacity, I must say that it is quite poor compared with CAC's capacity. I hope PAC will expand to enhance its production rate. Some say that the quality of the JF-17s produced by PAC will be better than the ones produced by CAC, for they will incorporate western avionics and weapons systems, I don't know if that is true.
 
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swerve

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ghanz said:
Does this aircraft, radar has 360 survellince capability or is it just fixed at one angle.
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Google could tell you that, & a great deal more, more quickly than you'll get an answer here, & with you having to type less than you just did.

There's not much point asking questions for which the answers are publicly available & widely disseminated.
 
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aaaditya

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hey guys,interesting news here,it seems that the pakistani armed forces have acquired the spada 2000 surface to air missiles from mbdaitalia and mica missiles.

here is the link and the article:

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=3482821&c=EUR&s=AIR

ROME - European missile house MBDA has officially confirmed the sale of its Spada 2000 air defense system to the Pakistan Air Force.

Speaking here April 16, Chief Executive Antoine Bouvier said the deal for 10 batteries was worth 415 million euros ($656.56 million) over five years, adding that the contract was signed last August and put into force in February.

The Spada 2000, produced by the Italian-controlled part of the firm, MBDA Italia, and used by Italy and Spain, includes a 60-kilometer-range radar and two firing sections, each containing two missile launchers with six Aspide 2000 missiles each. The missiles have an intercept range of more than 20 kilometers.
"This is a wonderful achievement," Bouvier said of the Pakistan deal. "It was a tough fight."
Industrial sources have told Defense News that the Spada system defeated competition from Raytheon, Diehl BGT and Saab.
MBDA Italia represents the 25 percent stake held in MBDA by Italy's Finmeccanica group.
A series of firing tests that formed part of the evaluation program with the Pakistan Air Force will be followed soon by further firing tests for qualification purposes, Bouvier said. He hopes the deal may be expanded in the future.
Although the deal officially fell under the responsibility of MBDA as a whole, Bouvier said "strong support" was provided by the Italian government and Finmeccanica. The Italian Air Force assisted with pre-contract firing tests in Pakistan, he added.
The export license for the deal was processed in Italy and helped push MBDA Italia to the top of Italy's chart of defense firms ranked by exports for 2007 - calculated on the basis of export licenses issued - with an 18.5 percent share of exports worth 443 million euros.


here is some additional information about this missile:

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/spada/
 
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SABRE

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The news is old. This one is just an official confirmation. PAF air defence is certainly getting much attention of the officials with the purchase of ERIEYEs, SPADA 2000 & TPS-77 Radars.
 
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BilalK

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Usman Shabbir on PakDef said that PAF procured Spada-2000 "PLUS" - i.e. system with many add-ons.

Personally I suspect there is a chance that PAF will not be using Aspide-2000 as the SAM, but maybe Vertical-Launch MICA? Remember PAF is reportedly negotiating France for MICA missiles, and the VL-MICA was designed for smooth integration with existing systems.

VL-MICA's range is 20km compared to Aspide-2000's 25km - but MICA has growth potential, so this can be extended a fair bit. The VL-MICA has thrust-vectoring and is a newer system in the air defence arena.
 
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aaaditya

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BilalK said:
Usman Shabbir on PakDef said that PAF procured Spada-2000 "PLUS" - i.e. system with many add-ons.

Personally I suspect there is a chance that PAF will not be using Aspide-2000 as the SAM, but maybe Vertical-Launch MICA? Remember PAF is reportedly negotiating France for MICA missiles, and the VL-MICA was designed for smooth integration with existing systems.

VL-MICA's range is 20km compared to Aspide-2000's 25km - but MICA has growth potential, so this can be extended a fair bit. The VL-MICA has thrust-vectoring and is a newer system in the air defence arena.
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interesting,as per this http://www.army-technology.com/projects/vlmica/specs.html

the max range is 10+ kms ,i think the range will be around 15 kms,india and mbda of franch have agreed to jointly develop an advanced version of the mica missile,to be known as maitiri (friendship),this missile is intended to be a surface to air missile in the 10-15 kms range intended to replace the cancelled trishul missile project and to supplement the spyder system,which incidentally was selected by the indian armed forces over the vls mica.
 
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BilalK

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aaaditya said:
interesting,as per this http://www.army-technology.com/projects/vlmica/specs.html

the max range is 10+ kms ,i think the range will be around 15 kms,india and mbda of franch have agreed to jointly develop an advanced version of the mica missile,to be known as maitiri (friendship),this missile is intended to be a surface to air missile in the 10-15 kms range intended to replace the cancelled trishul missile project and to supplement the spyder system,which incidentally was selected by the indian armed forces over the vls mica.
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MBDA-site: range 20km & max altitude 9000m

http://www.mbda-systems.com/mbda/site/FO/scripts/siteFO_contenu.php?lang=EN&noeu_id=94

It is interesting to note...we have heard that Pakistan is negotiating for "MICA missiles and Thales radars" from France - there is just no official word on what use. I think there is a fair chance for VL-MICA being used in place of Aspide-2000...especially if MBDA offered to co-develop a longer-range version with Pakistan.
 
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Salty Dog

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SABRE said:
Pakistan is to receive 4 F-16s this month (on 28th). I have no info on them being MLUed so no questions asked in that department. Saw the news on 19th when it came out but waited for confirmation.


http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008619story_19-6-2008_pg7_4
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AFAIK these are F-16A/B Block 15OCU from the 28 (11 from Peacegate III and 17 from Peacegate IV) that were storaged at AMARC. These as well as all current PAF F-16A/B Block 15 are all scheduled for MLU as part of the F-16C/D Block 52 deal.
 
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Aliph Ahmed

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Salty Dog said:
AFAIK these are F-16A/B Block 15OCU from the 28 (11 from Peacegate III and 17 from Peacegate IV) that were storaged at AMARC. These as well as all current PAF F-16A/B Block 15 are all scheduled for MLU as part of the F-16C/D Block 52 deal.
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Salty Dog, you are right. These are the Pakistani F-16s that were transferred to US airforce. The other part of Pakistani F-16s were given to USN, however, USN refused to return theirs so Pakistan is to recieve more C/D models instead from the US airforce stock.

1. Pakistan recived 2 F-16s last year.
2. Pakistan is expected to recieve 4 F-16s this June. (Sabre already posted).
3. Pakistan is expecting another 6 f-16s by this July end.
4. There are currently 2 F-16s in USA undergoing MLU as we speak. The two planes Pakistan sent are the ones with the most hours clocked.

These are not part of the 18 Block 50 F-16s with CFTs. That is a separate order.
 
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