RMAF Future; need opinions

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kams

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Russia's Sukhoi delivers new batch of Su-30 fighters to Malaysia

MOSCOW, March 3 (RIA Novosti) - Russia has delivered four Su-MKM fighter planes to Malaysia under a contract signed in 2003, a spokesman for the Sukhoi aircraft manufacturer said on Monday.

The Southeast Asian country will receive a total of 18 Su-30MKM fighters under a $900-million contract by the end of 2008. The first six aircraft were delivered in 2007.
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nevidimka

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Isnt it kinda like to fast with the deliveries compared to when the Mig deliveries took place? it just started last year.
 
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johngage

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I was thinking that the RMAF should consider buying the Algerian SU-30's for its second MRCA squadron. I'm sure that the Russians would be willing to offer a discount and the SU-30MKA's are pretty close to our SU-30MKM's so integration would not be a problem.
 
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qwerty223

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Only if the contract is dead, like the Laksamana. If not, only brings trouble, let alone the Russian wouldn't want the transaction to be messed up.
 
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mmmbop

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What I heard it's the Mig the Algerians deemed of not reasonable quality and the Russians stopped delivery of Sukhoi for the late/unsettled payment.
 
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qwerty223

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mmmbop said:
What I heard it's the Mig the Algerians deemed of not reasonable quality and the Russians stopped delivery of Sukhoi for the late/unsettled payment.
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From my point of view, both parties are playing re-nego game.
anyways back to the topic, i wonder what will the MiG recieve if decision was made for upgrading them.
 
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ROCK45

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Mig-29s

Hi weasel1962

weasel1962
Now what I'm hearing is the Migs are either going to be disposed in early 201X or upgraded.
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Did you hear the above as a rumor or did you see posted somewhere? I would be interested in reading about it, thanks
 
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johngage

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weasel1962 said:
MDIC bulletin. I think its more speculation at this point but it does illustrate what the top brass are thinking.

If the Algerians don't think its reasonable quality, doesn't make sense for RMAF to procure it. Better to get new-builds.
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I don't think the problem was with the SU-30MKA's, AFAIK the problem was with the MiG-29's.
 
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renjer

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johngage said:
I was thinking that the RMAF should consider buying the Algerian SU-30's for its second MRCA squadron. I'm sure that the Russians would be willing to offer a discount and the SU-30MKA's are pretty close to our SU-30MKM's so integration would not be a problem.
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That's a good idea.

Awhile back there was also the news that a decision on the 2nd MRCA squadron could be made as early as this year to allow funding to be budgetted for the 11MP. Seems to fall into a nice sequence.

qwerty223 said:
Only if the contract is dead, like the Laksamana. If not, only brings trouble, let alone the Russian wouldn't want the transaction to be messed up.
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What kind of trouble do you anticipate?
 
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qwerty223

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renjer said:
That's a good idea.

Awhile back there was also the news that a decision on the 2nd MRCA squadron could be made as early as this year to allow funding to be budgetted for the 11MP. Seems to fall into a nice sequence.



What kind of trouble do you anticipate?
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Well, all kinds of trouble you can think of. To name two here. 1st, this batch of MKA is the fulcrum of the negotiation aka political wrestling between the Russian and the Algerians. If we were to intervene and thus benefits the Russian, we can expect how will the Algerians react.That will lead to an unfavorable situation for a few million dollors of profit. 2nd, if we were being taken as a step stone to by one of the parties to overcome another, for example the Russian. When we paid for the aircraft and right before we expect its delivery, the Russian might again held the transaction due to a concession from the Alegrian. This worse, as we gain a negetive profit in terms of financial wise and political wise.
 
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nevidimka

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Its really hard trying to comprehend what your trying to say there qwerty.

Btw i was looking for Mig website when i found a website with all the description of various migs n i found this..

MiG-29MaE - export version of MiG-29M.
MiG-29 with thrust vectoring - never flown so far...
MiG-29N - (latin 'N' from "Nadgib") export version for Malayzia
MiG-33 - see MiG-33.

Wonder if thats for Najib tun Razak? :eek:nfloorl:

The russians must have loved Najib soo much that they named it after him?

http://www.aviation.ru/MiG/
 
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renjer

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qwerty223 said:
Well, all kinds of trouble you can think of. To name two here. 1st, this batch of MKA is the fulcrum of the negotiation aka political wrestling between the Russian and the Algerians. If we were to intervene and thus benefits the Russian, we can expect how will the Algerians react.That will lead to an unfavorable situation for a few million dollors of profit. 2nd, if we were being taken as a step stone to by one of the parties to overcome another, for example the Russian. When we paid for the aircraft and right before we expect its delivery, the Russian might again held the transaction due to a concession from the Alegrian. This worse, as we gain a negetive profit in terms of financial wise and political wise.
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If Malaysia were to take up the undelivered MKAs the original deal between the Russians and the Algerians would have to be formally cancelled first. That should take care of any potential ill feelings by the Algerians towards Malaysia.

As for the possibility of the Russians withholding delivery after we paid for such a deal, how would the risk be any different from a "clean" or "fresh" deal?

A possible advantage of exploring such a deal is speedier delivery. I have to disagree with you on this matter. The pitfalls you mentioned do not sound convincing.
 
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qwerty223

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renjer said:
If Malaysia were to take up the undelivered MKAs the original deal between the Russians and the Algerians would have to be formally cancelled first. That should take care of any potential ill feelings by the Algerians towards Malaysia.

As for the possibility of the Russians withholding delivery after we paid for such a deal, how would the risk be any different from a "clean" or "fresh" deal?

A possible advantage of exploring such a deal is speedier delivery. I have to disagree with you on this matter. The pitfalls you mentioned do not sound convincing.
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Well, if you convince yourselves that it can be as easy as you suggested (a "clean" aka "fresh" deal), then of course, you will never understand what i had already pointed out.
The core of what i said earlier was that it is not easy to ensure the deal is as "clean" or as "fresh" as your optimized assumption. ;)
 
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