Vietnamese Air Power

[weasel1962]

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[M21]

Ok.. No one can be sure 100%, but 70 percents is right

Vietnamese today: They are increasing millitary powers, is just for protection of their sea and land also to gain insurrance for all investors and maintain regional millitary balance stable. They are not targeting to any country, or even some minors conflict with china.: like my quote above you can understand. If you ask me what is exact numbers of their aipowers abililities are hard to answer: you can add all fighters above and see can they hold any attack from outside? So finger out .... This source above is 90% percent is right, cuz alot analyser already knew about it.

 

[Skyman]

Vietnamese today: They are increasing millitary powers, is just for protection of their sea and land also to gain insurrance for all investors and maintain regional millitary balance stable. They are not targeting to any country, or even some minors conflict with china.: like my quote above you can understand. If you ask me what is exact numbers of their aipowers abililities are hard to answer: you can add all fighters above and see can they hold any attack from outside? So finger out .... This source above is 90% percent is right, cuz alot analyser already knew about it.

I think another inspiration of Vietname military build up is Spratly Islands.

 

[weasel1962]

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[Izzy1]

For today 2008 are running now.

20 Su27/ and 4 SU30 =24 pieces in service now, and 8SU27 will be delivery in late 2009. and 8 Su30 will be completed at 2010, and 24 pieces of SU30 will delivery from 2010 to 2014.
53 Su 22, they had before since soviet era ( upgraded with some advanced options)
Poland sold to them around 40 SU22 with good condition and advanced avionic completed delivery in 11/2007.
150-160 Mig21F (245) pieces 2006 ,Now =160 good condition and advance upgraded options,other need parts
you guy forgot about this
35 MIg23 very good condition russian paid for renting camranh base.

Soviet Union 5 Antonov An-30 Clank reconnaissance
Soviet Union 35 Antonov An-26 Curl
Soviet Union 16 Antonov An-24 Coke regional airliner/transport (actual number = 24) where is 8?
Soviet Union 6 Antonov An-38 - stretched version of the An-28
Poland 12 PZL M-28 Skytruck - twin-engined high-wing cantilever monoplane

Soviet Union 30 Mi-8 Hip transport helicopter
Soviet Union 16 Mi-17 Hip-H transport helicopter
Soviet Union 3 Kamov Ka-25 Hormone
Soviet Union 8 Ka-27 Helix ASW helicopter (16 pieces in delivery) ??
Russia 6 Ka-32 Kamov
United States Bell Helicopter 60 UH-1H Huey utility helicopter
Soviet Union 26 Mil Mi-24 Hind-A (actual number = 60 pieces)
France 12 SA-330J Puma civilian transport helicopter - from the Ministry of Defence
France 9 Aérospatiale Super Puma AS-332L2 transport helicopter - from the Ministry of defence

Domestic vietnamese made(sorry guy my father don't know how many)
Vietnamese Made airplane: Vietnam HL-1, HL-2, VNS-41 domestic produced amphibious light plane
Vietnam M-400 UAV

Can we seriously reference the source of above? This website would have a winner against Jane's and IISS????

 

[M21]

The Data above is 80 - 90% right

Jane and IISS based on the contract from 1994 to 2003. Now is 2008 also Jane/IISS don't have people who worked in manufacture company then data some time not update, If you can speak Hebrew, German, Russian,Vietnamese,French,and then you can say it true, You can see it clearly, all toys from them have been using from soviet era then nothing news..if from now to 2014 if they increase 64 pieces of SU just nothing if to say for country which potentically leading south east asia in the future.

Did Jane/IISS knew Russia paid 35 Mig23 for renting Camranh base?
Did Jane/IISS ask all interpretors who translate for techicians when they come to help Vietnamese Upgraded toys....If yes. Jane/IISS are right , if No. the datas above are 80-90% right. I don't want to say 100% but just 80-90%

 

[Izzy1]

Jane and IISS based on the contract from 1994 to 2003. Now is 2008 also Jane/IISS don't have people who worked in manufacture company then data some time not update, If you can speak Hebrew, German, Russian,Vietnamese,French,and then you can say it true, You can see it clearly, all toys from them have been using from soviet era then nothing news..if from now to 2014 if they increase 64 pieces of SU just nothing if to say for country which potentically leading south east asia in the future.

Did Jane/IISS knew Russia paid 35 Mig23 for renting Camranh base?
Did Jane/IISS ask all interpretors who translate for techicians when they come to help Vietnamese Upgraded toys....If yes. Jane/IISS are right , if No. the datas above are 80-90% right. I don't want to say 100% but just 80-90%

Good for you. In the meantime, don't quote them. Ok.

 

[M21]

Sure Zyzy1

Sure, I will not post anything related to Vietnamese Millitary powers any more. I understand your concerns. If you are vietnamese than I am sorry Man.

 

[nevidimka]

Wow, thats way more flankers than even te RMAF. VAF seems to be the proper challenger to Singapore's AF. They are very quiet, but are really building up thier air force.
Its interesting to see how they already operationalised S300. n yet if the other ASEAN tiger economies were to aquire such a system, it would have created a furore, n accusations of arms race.

 

[M21]

Nothing news except some flankers

For today 2008 are running now.

20 Su27/ and 4 SU30 =24 pieces in service now, and 8SU27 will be delivery in late 2009. and 8 Su30 will be completed at 2010, and 24 pieces of SU30 will delivery from 2010 to 2014.
53 Su 22, they had before since soviet era ( upgraded with some advanced options)
Poland sold to them around 40 SU22 with good condition and advanced avionic completed delivery in 11/2007.
150-160 Mig21F (245) pieces 2006 ,Now =160 good condition and advance upgraded options,other need parts
you guy forgot about this
35 MIg23 very good condition russian paid for renting camranh base.

Soviet Union 5 Antonov An-30 Clank reconnaissance
Soviet Union 35 Antonov An-26 Curl
Soviet Union 16 Antonov An-24 Coke regional airliner/transport (actual number = 24) where is 8?
Soviet Union 6 Antonov An-38 - stretched version of the An-28
Poland 12 PZL M-28 Skytruck - twin-engined high-wing cantilever monoplane

Soviet Union 30 Mi-8 Hip transport helicopter
Soviet Union 16 Mi-17 Hip-H transport helicopter
Soviet Union 3 Kamov Ka-25 Hormone
Soviet Union 8 Ka-27 Helix ASW helicopter (16 pieces in delivery) ??
Russia 6 Ka-32 Kamov
United States Bell Helicopter 60 UH-1H Huey utility helicopter
Soviet Union 26 Mil Mi-24 Hind-A and D class (actual number = 60 pieces)
France 12 SA-330J Puma civilian transport helicopter - from the Ministry of Defence
France 9 Aérospatiale Super Puma AS-332L2 transport helicopter - from the Ministry of defence

Domestic vietnamese made(sorry guy my father don't know how many)
Vietnamese Made airplane: Vietnam HL-1, HL-2, VNS-41 domestic produced amphibious light plane
Vietnam M-400 UAV


Look at it, Nothing new for them...Just couple dozen flankers in services. What else? nothing....to much concern about them.

 

[Ozzy Blizzard]

Wow, thats way more flankers than even te RMAF. VAF seems to be the proper challenger to Singapore's AF. They are very quiet, but are really building up thier air force.
Its interesting to see how they already operationalised S300. n yet if the other ASEAN tiger economies were to aquire such a system, it would have created a furore, n accusations of arms race.

You need alot more than a few flankers (even platfroms in general) to challange Singapore. They are far more capable on an EW and systems level, not to mention C4ISR. The only regional players who are comperable are the ADF and PROC in terms of in theater capability (if you wanna count them since they are technically a North Asian power).

 

[Pert]

maybe...spratly island will be a source of conflict in SEA and China...
Vietnam,China,Malaysia,Philiphine all want spratly island....but for vietnam, PLA is the closest country to take care...Malaysia also did mention that it air force and navy expansion is to protect their Economic Exclusive Zone which will include spratly island...

 

[Pert]

I think another inspiration of Vietname military build up is Spratly Islands.

im answering for this man...sorry dude if i make u all confuse...

 

[Pert]

You need alot more than a few flankers (even platfroms in general) to challange Singapore. They are far more capable on an EW and systems level, not to mention C4ISR. The only regional players who are comperable are the ADF and PROC in terms of in theater capability (if you wanna count them since they are technically a North Asian power).

Singapore is very powerful in term of military assets....BUT they are unlucky because they lack of geographical area...IMO they best the way to neutralize singapore is by sabotage(dont mean to be offensive to anybody)
the main concern of Vietnamese is PLA..
SAF doctrine is to use pre-emptive strike to paralize their enemy,but with vietnam, it almost impossible...
IMO, Vietname will be the most powerful arm force in SEA in the future...with massive army, growing air force and navy assets plus good economic growth..it is not impossible...+ War experience with US will be their greater advantage...

 

[weasel1962]

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[Pert]

It would be nice to know the source of that one...

http:// (please put www here) .littlespeck.com/ content/ security/ CTrendsSecurity-030114.htm

it is 1 of the sources..there is much more,do not have much time to give u all the sources(sorry mate)...but this doctrine is not a secret anymore...,it is nice if u can buy that book even the book analyse the situation in 2003...it is very interesting topic to discuss actually, but it maybe out of topic here and also too sensitive to discuss...(there is a lots of emotional people here<too patriotic perhap>)

VAF will keep growing, so as other SEA country. i believe, if the economy keep booming, Singapore will not be a military leader in SEA anymore, maybe Vietnam, Malaysia, and Thailand...but it take time to happen...just time and economy..believe me..

just want to add,Taiwan and Brunei also involve in spratly island conflict.

 

[weasel1962]

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[weasel1962]

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[M21]

Pert is right

I am in the middle, but I can say Vietnamese will be leader of SEA in the future. They want to make sure they are the trade rout for all SEA country and China, Japan,Korea, US and other western country for business. For Conventional Military hardware power I can say they are just behind North Korean a bit. Vietnamese now pursue the friendly diplomatic to all coutry, Their theory is gain more friend and do business, not challenging to any country, they want to make every body happy cuz they experienced in the war that is why no doubt US and China, Rusia, England, France, Japan, German,Korea want to put their culture, business and tied relation with Vietnam.

This country catch my attention

 

[Pert]

Nevertheless, it should be recognised that the concept of pre-emption has not been officially attributed to or adopted by the Singapore armed forces.[/QUOTE]
it is true, but please think deeply, if war happen, what stategy will be used by Singapore, with limited land area, they cant afford it...so pre-emptive will be the best choice for them.