Many thanks.
Ozzy Blizzard
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Aicw
For those who have not heard of this programme:
The Advanced infatry Combat Weapon is a personal weapons system being developed by the DSTO for the ADF. It is similar in many aspects to the american OICW (Objective Individual Combat Weapon) but has resolved many of the weight and reliability problems that led to that programmes cancelation. It is in effect an F88 Austyer with an automatic, 3 shot, metal storm 40mm grenade laucher incorporated above the 5.56mm barrel, with advanced sighting systems included. A prototype underwent limited field testing in 2005.
For more info:
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as72-e.htm
A couple of questions regarding this weapons system. The initial plan was for the ADF to start procurement in 2011/12, has that changed? How is the system intended to be used? i.e. will it replace the F88 as the standard infatry weapon or will it simply replace the F88/M203 grenaider combination? Any feedback/sugestions/critisism/praise?
For those who have not heard of this programme:
The Advanced infatry Combat Weapon is a personal weapons system being developed by the DSTO for the ADF. It is similar in many aspects to the american OICW (Objective Individual Combat Weapon) but has resolved many of the weight and reliability problems that led to that programmes cancelation. It is in effect an F88 Austyer with an automatic, 3 shot, metal storm 40mm grenade laucher incorporated above the 5.56mm barrel, with advanced sighting systems included. A prototype underwent limited field testing in 2005.
For more info:
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as72-e.htm
A couple of questions regarding this weapons system. The initial plan was for the ADF to start procurement in 2011/12, has that changed? How is the system intended to be used? i.e. will it replace the F88 as the standard infatry weapon or will it simply replace the F88/M203 grenaider combination? Any feedback/sugestions/critisism/praise?
I've handled the first 2 prototypes (no discharging though) and I had some involvement with MS on another project.
Personally I hated both prototypes. Balance was off, and the furniture was pretty ho hum.
I've only seen the schemers close up for the 3rd prototype (which is like a pregnant Austeyr)
All 3 prototypes are completely different.
Hi, well this is seemilngly the best place to put it, I diddn't want to start up a thread. I might enlist as a Tiger Pilot, will I go directly to tigers after training or will i have to dilly dally my way around blackhawks and kiowa's?
I have done a bit of reading as to what I can expect, it looks like a pretty tough selection course, I have a genuine interest in flying Helo's for the Army and im up for anything lifestyle wise. However, I have not done math B in school only A, can I do a university bridging course to satisfy that requirment?
I have done a bit of reading as to what I can expect, it looks like a pretty tough selection course, I have a genuine interest in flying Helo's for the Army and im up for anything lifestyle wise. However, I have not done math B in school only A, can I do a university bridging course to satisfy that requirment?
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Aussie Digger
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You will go to Duntroon, then you will go to the ADF basic flight training school and fly CT-4B's. Then you will go to Army's helo training school and do a helo conversion course and fly Kiowa's. Then you will do an advanced course on Kiowa's. Then you will do type conversion onto Blackhawks, Chinooks, MRH-90 or Tigers and after flying them for a while you'll do a battle captain's course...
Provided you get through all of that...
I understand that you can be a pilot or a battle captain...I understand they are like the gunner/commander of the aircraft...do I have to be a pilot to be a battle captain?
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Aussie Digger
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You have to be a pilot BEFORE you can become a Battle Captain, as I understand the system...
If you want to look at the entire process, www.defencejobs.gov.au is the place to go.
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Aussie Digger
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Unlikely, but if they are, Navy will no doubt have plenty of positions. Flying a Seahawk loaded up with Penguin ASM's would be an interesting experience I reckon...
If I had my time over again and was going to make ADF a career, I think Navy probably would have been my choice...
Yeah I have a friend who fly's em'. He loves it but the navy just isn't my thing...not that I have a problem with the Navy, my interest is not there...
oh btw, when were/are the RWS being installed on the Bushmasters and ASLAV's in Iraq/Afghanistan.
Has the ADF trailed either the Nemo or AMOS on the ASLAV or bushmaster?
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Aussie Digger
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ASLAV's have had the Protector RWS fitted since 2005. We have around 44x systems in-service as they aren't obviously fitted to the ASLAV-25 variant... Some are operating the Mk 19 40mm AGL in Iraq, though pics are scarce, for some reason...
Bushmaster have had the CROWS RWS fitted in 2006/7. We have around 43x in-service fitted with MAG-58 GPMG's.
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Aussie Digger
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ASLAV's have had the Protector RWS fitted since 2005. We have around 44x systems in-service as they aren't obviously fitted to the ASLAV-25 variant... Some are operating the Mk 19 40mm AGL in Iraq, though pics are scarce, for some reason...
Bushmaster have had the CROWS RWS fitted in 2006/7. We have around 43x in-service fitted with MAG-58 GPMG's.
Neither AMOS nor NEMO have been trialled by ADF to the best of my knowledge, though Army did trial an ASLAV mounted 120mm mortar back in the A21 trials days.
They decided M1A1's offered more capability for the cash...
Harking back to Helicopter pilot training, does the Aus military allow NCO's to gain their wings like in the UK and US? I understand in the UK for example, you can follow the same commissioned path similar to that of the Australian model (Sandhurst - flight training - Army Air Corp). Hoever they also allow NCO 's to apply after a minimum of four years service, and assuming they pass medical and associated flight tests.
Back in WWII NCO's and Officers flew planes, apparently this practice was stopped in the RAF after they went nuclear. The UK Government felt it only appropriate that a commissioned rank should drop the bomb!
Back in WWII NCO's and Officers flew planes, apparently this practice was stopped in the RAF after they went nuclear. The UK Government felt it only appropriate that a commissioned rank should drop the bomb!
Only commissioned officers fly aircraft in the ADF, filling the pilot, navigator and ACO roles. However enlisted men/women can apply to be pilots but must commission first. But if you fail flight school you cannot return to the enlisted ranks and your former mustering. Enlisted men (airman aircrew) fill roles such as Loadmaster, Airborne Electronics Analyst and Flight Engineer. The ADF is, apparently, not big enough for airman pilots anymore.
I don't think there have been SGT Pilots in the RAAF since the 1950's. I have also heard of some Engineers (officers) that have qualified as pilots but that is fairly rare.
I don't think there have been SGT Pilots in the RAAF since the 1950's. I have also heard of some Engineers (officers) that have qualified as pilots but that is fairly rare.
MARKMILES77
Active Member
An order has been placed for another 72 or so CROWS remote weapon systems for the Bushmaster.
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Aussie Digger
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Depends which "RWS" you are referring to.
I believe we have completed our "Protector RWS" acquisitions for now.
Our "CROWS RWS" will probably attract a few more orders, as Markmiles has already indicated...
But then you have to consider the "Mini-Typhoon" which is also an RWS system acquired for Navy and separate to Army systems already ordered and other systems that may be ordered in due course (such as an RWS for the M1A1 Abrams tanks).
Therefore, "are we buying anymore RWS"?
Almost certainly...
Try these, ASLAV-PC second from left has a 40mm AGL and the second image shows a close-up of the RWS with aforesaid 40mm AGL............BOTH images from the DoD............
http://www.defence.gov.au/opcatalyst/images/gallery/2008/0115/20071230adf8243116_082_lo.jpg
http://www.defence.gov.au/opcatalyst/images/gallery/2008/0115/20071230adf8243116_474_lo.jpg
Ozzy Blizzard
New Member
Geesh you get a few perks mate!
Involvement with SSk's, personal weapons systems... What do you guys do anyway? Did you see how the 40mm grenade stack was meant to be reloaded??? Do you have to take the rear part of the barell out and put annother, loaded one in to reload? If so there has to be some heat issues (i wouldnt want to grab one with bare fingers). Also is there much chance of weapons "cooking off" with repeat automatic fireing?
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Aussie Digger
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Yeah I've seen a couple of photos over the years of the Mk 19 on the ASLAV's, but only said earlier that they are scarce. Not non-existent...
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AD