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Gary,
Rela is not a military outfit. They do not undergo military training per se like full-fledged soldiers. This is not even similar to the US`s `National Guard.' The closest thing in Singapore would be Singapore`s Civil Defence Force(not the SAF) but RELA is in a much lesser category as they are not professionally trained to deal with specific emergencies; say, a collapsed building, fires, military conflicts, etc . Nor it is a national requirement(by law) for them to be fully trained and serve a compulsory vocation for the nation like Taiwan, Israel, South Korea and Singapore .
Think of Scouts or an adult version of the Boys Brigade or National Cadets Corps. It is more of an organization to increase patriotism among Malay Malaysians and create civic awareness. Members can assist in national disasters like distributing food during the recent floods and help the police patrol villages(neighbourhood crime watch). You can find the information in the website provided above.
Another similar organization in Singapore would be the
People`s Association which numbers half a million volunteers minus the uniforms. But the numbers mean nothing even if they have a proper organization structure.
One of my relatives in Malaysia is in RELA. I had a conversation about it(among other things) when i visited him during Hari Raya. He said that the numbers quoted are not reliable as many join the volunteer organization and do not appear again for the activities as it becomes boring or are too tedious than originally thought; though some remain because it gives them a sense of recognition. And most are men/women in the late 30s-40s-50s(quite a number are women(including housewives who tag along with thier husbands)). Most elites and professionals in Malaysia shun the organization as they feel they are nothing more than propaganda machines for the ruling National Front coalition. Also, Chinese and Indian Malaysians are wary of it being a Malay organization so they do not join RELA. They are not armed but I think there`s some shooting courses for which they can apply for the experience like the National Cadet Corps. The organization is rather loosely held according to my relative; rather disorganized in some places. Some branches are active. Some are there in name and nothing else. My relative has stopped going for the RELA talks or activities.
Rela is not a military outfit. They do not undergo military training per se like full-fledged soldiers. This is not even similar to the US`s `National Guard.' The closest thing in Singapore would be Singapore`s Civil Defence Force(not the SAF) but RELA is in a much lesser category as they are not professionally trained to deal with specific emergencies; say, a collapsed building, fires, military conflicts, etc . Nor it is a national requirement(by law) for them to be fully trained and serve a compulsory vocation for the nation like Taiwan, Israel, South Korea and Singapore .
Think of Scouts or an adult version of the Boys Brigade or National Cadets Corps. It is more of an organization to increase patriotism among Malay Malaysians and create civic awareness. Members can assist in national disasters like distributing food during the recent floods and help the police patrol villages(neighbourhood crime watch). You can find the information in the website provided above.
Another similar organization in Singapore would be the
People`s Association which numbers half a million volunteers minus the uniforms. But the numbers mean nothing even if they have a proper organization structure.
One of my relatives in Malaysia is in RELA. I had a conversation about it(among other things) when i visited him during Hari Raya. He said that the numbers quoted are not reliable as many join the volunteer organization and do not appear again for the activities as it becomes boring or are too tedious than originally thought; though some remain because it gives them a sense of recognition. And most are men/women in the late 30s-40s-50s(quite a number are women(including housewives who tag along with thier husbands)). Most elites and professionals in Malaysia shun the organization as they feel they are nothing more than propaganda machines for the ruling National Front coalition. Also, Chinese and Indian Malaysians are wary of it being a Malay organization so they do not join RELA. They are not armed but I think there`s some shooting courses for which they can apply for the experience like the National Cadet Corps. The organization is rather loosely held according to my relative; rather disorganized in some places. Some branches are active. Some are there in name and nothing else. My relative has stopped going for the RELA talks or activities.
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Yup, and also they do not have many usable small arms for them anyway.
All the small arms that RELA will be using are all those 2nd hand small arms seconded from MAF, mainly old heavily used M-16 , so certainly unable to arms anything more than 100k. Afterall MY army is only 100K strong , so how could they have more than 100K of small arms to arm the RELA???
The report I read stated that RELA is about 240K strong but only 17.5K are armed.
Yup, and also they do not have many usable small arms for them anyway.
All the small arms that RELA will be using are all those 2nd hand small arms seconded from MAF, mainly old heavily used M-16 , so certainly unable to arms anything more than 100k. Afterall MY army is only 100K strong , so how could they have more than 100K of small arms to arm the RELA???
The report I read stated that RELA is about 240K strong but only 17.5K are armed.
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What distortion? How many non-malays and educated Malays join such organizations and how politicised(with religious tones)have they become? Go figure. My wife is a Malaysian and we commute daily from Johor to Singapore to work. My nephew`s conclusion is that it is nothing more than a bunch of uniformed UMNO lackeys who incidentally are more helpful to the local Malays than the other communities. An example would be the massive floods last year. What can possibly explain the raids to Chinese shops for food and other stuffs when the tide came in? And guess who were in these raiding parties? People who he saw during the RELA talks. Daylight robbery. Malays are rescued first and the other communities take second place or left to fend for themselves. But then again, these Rela volunteers are just normal village folks.
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I am sure singaporeans treat the local malays as equals there..... count how many politicians are actually malay, count if there is any fighter pilots who are malay in the singaporean airforce.... do u even have an opposition there? i bet u didnt know malays are not allowed to be fighter pilots there... or any high ranking position in any sector military, economical, gov. for that matter and then go do some research outside the rela issue and realize both countries are not very different at all. I think most malaysians know rela has some serious issues of many being the village idiot but just because one group is behaving like a total arse does not mean the whole country is racist... stop being so self righteous, esp coming from that fantasy island.
Firstly, I have been staying in Malaysia for the past 15 years; mostly due to the fact that im taking care of my in-laws. And secondly, I reserve the right to comment on what the situation really is. This has got nothing do with being self-righteous. I did not make any comments about Singapore in my post. And i do not agree with many things in Singapore as well; though to a much lesser degree. No country is without its faults; including Australia.
There are quite a number of Singaporean Malays in politics; including a Minister and more Malay politicians than Indian politicians. There are Malay pilots in the RSAf though no one has become a fighter pilot(not too sure..there could be a change in vocation)yet. A recent Malay SAF scholar(yup..a scholar funded by the SAF) was top student at Standhurst(how do you spell that); the first one ever and only a handful of Singaporeans are selected to be overseas scholars(less than 10?). At the end of the day, it is about capability. Take a look at the educational attainments of Malays in general. They are in the lowest strata in terms of educational achievements. I must add that they are improving. But needless to say, the poor educational results is reflected in the jobs they can get. Look at the top strata of managers and directors in MNCs in Singapore and see who these people are; not a single Malay. You cannot possibly say these foriegn MNCs are bias can you? It is about capability but things are improving for them. And the fact that they have to compete on a level playing field is doing good for them.
As for the opposition, they pale in comparison to the PAP candidates generally so nobody bothers with them. The good ones are given credit though. And I would like to see more of them. However, I am generally satisfied with the policies of the current incumbent government. And that is one of the reasons the status quo has been such in Singapore; the majority of Singaporeans are apathetic to the opposition in the face of sterling economic growth and riches.
There are quite a number of Singaporean Malays in politics; including a Minister and more Malay politicians than Indian politicians. There are Malay pilots in the RSAf though no one has become a fighter pilot(not too sure..there could be a change in vocation)yet. A recent Malay SAF scholar(yup..a scholar funded by the SAF) was top student at Standhurst(how do you spell that); the first one ever and only a handful of Singaporeans are selected to be overseas scholars(less than 10?). At the end of the day, it is about capability. Take a look at the educational attainments of Malays in general. They are in the lowest strata in terms of educational achievements. I must add that they are improving. But needless to say, the poor educational results is reflected in the jobs they can get. Look at the top strata of managers and directors in MNCs in Singapore and see who these people are; not a single Malay. You cannot possibly say these foriegn MNCs are bias can you? It is about capability but things are improving for them. And the fact that they have to compete on a level playing field is doing good for them.
As for the opposition, they pale in comparison to the PAP candidates generally so nobody bothers with them. The good ones are given credit though. And I would like to see more of them. However, I am generally satisfied with the policies of the current incumbent government. And that is one of the reasons the status quo has been such in Singapore; the majority of Singaporeans are apathetic to the opposition in the face of sterling economic growth and riches.
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I dont see how i`ve broken forum rules though admittedly I have gone out of topic. I could have treaded on your personal feelings and Singaporeans as well but we all know where the truth lies for both countries. "Stuck-up" ?Funny, I feel the same way with the Malaysian elite who have made similar observations about Singapore as well; especially the ones working in Singapore. Im sure many Singaporeans feel the same way. Those are thier views and these are mine. So, I find that my views are in good company. Your warning about whether it `pays' or not is laughable. Personally, I find that there must be space for such views to be discussed in a spirit of openess so everyone is wiser in the end. But I fly around too much and I may be less conservative in this regard.
However, I will respect the moderator`s decision in this matter. Not yours. Cheers
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red,
RELA has many members from various communities. u have the understand what is the role of RELA (community-centric) and check back on that 'uncle' of yours
man, this is coming from someone who 'lived' in Malaysia for 15 years
never went to a Malaysian Thaipusam/Deepavali/Chinese New Year event is it? or even the Bon Odori, u'd be surprised
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red,
RELA has many members from various communities. u have the understand what is the role of RELA (community-centric) and check back on that 'uncle' of yours
man, this is coming from someone who 'lived' in Malaysia for 15 years
never went to a Malaysian Thaipusam/Deepavali/Chinese New Year event is it? or even the Bon Odori, u'd be surprised
-aneep-