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and what was the conclusion? AFAIK they were neither rejected nor purchased.
Saudi considers T-95 MBTs?
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Dare I say it - it's the last European Main Battle Tank produced.
The Germans will be selling second-hand Leopard-II's long after Nexter's and BAE's production lines close.
Interesting why?
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was mentioning Pakistan's offer of AK to KSA
Hmmm, I would expect something else from you than just a oneliner with "LeClerc is a joke" in it.
First, the name is Leclerc.
Second, do you have any infos about why the UAE should want to get rid of theirs?
Performance, maintenance, etc.?
What is it.
I cannot see why a mature Leclerc should be a joke.
In the end I think of it as one of the best tanks out there.
- It has an amazing acceleration and cross country speed due to the new turbobar diesel.
- It has one of the most powerfull guns out there (And the ammo to feed it).
- It's optics, FCS and battlefield management systems are second to none and it was the first tank to include it in the design process from the beginning.
- It is easy to upgrade due to a very nice modular armor system.
- It has a working and capable autoloader.
- Finally the frenchmen managed to keep the weight relatively low by shortening the hull which makes it having less problems than for example an Abrams or Leopard II.
BTW, we are not just selling used Leos but also new ones like the Strv 122/123, Leopard IIHEL or E.
First, the name is Leclerc.
Second, do you have any infos about why the UAE should want to get rid of theirs?
Performance, maintenance, etc.?
What is it.
I cannot see why a mature Leclerc should be a joke.
In the end I think of it as one of the best tanks out there.
- It has an amazing acceleration and cross country speed due to the new turbobar diesel.
- It has one of the most powerfull guns out there (And the ammo to feed it).
- It's optics, FCS and battlefield management systems are second to none and it was the first tank to include it in the design process from the beginning.
- It is easy to upgrade due to a very nice modular armor system.
- It has a working and capable autoloader.
- Finally the frenchmen managed to keep the weight relatively low by shortening the hull which makes it having less problems than for example an Abrams or Leopard II.
BTW, we are not just selling used Leos but also new ones like the Strv 122/123, Leopard IIHEL or E.
What are some of the issues that they are having, I was told that they still may have issues with the power pack overheating.
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A classic case of bad kit for the wrong environment.
AHH - got it.If they have really problems with their engines than I would blame the UAE at least partly for it.
They wanted the MTU883 in it because they held stocks of MTU at the time.
What is giving them issues, is it the whole tank, automotive or electronics.
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You are a little bit short today...
Could you please elaborate the problems?
Otherwise such an info is a little bit useless.
Can we confirm one point - Saudi is "restricted" to deploy M1 Abrams in the North West of the Saudi.
The US State Department is never going to allow M1 to meet Merkava, in Saudi's North West, the long-French equipped 12th Armored (AMX-10) and 6th Mechanised (AMX-10P) are awaiting replacement.
After strenously rejecting Pakistani options, current suggestions are that the RSLF has been asked to explore Russian options in the T-90MBT and BMP-3 IFV.
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I thought the T-90 deal was put on hold, now they are being asked to look into a purchase because of Israel having issues with M1A2s. What about Egytian M1A1s.
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T-90?
Me and you know Eck, the Saudis don't want T-90. They could have that bag of bolts yesterday.
The RSLF want one tank only - Abrams. And they want M1-TUSK, because they have a funny feeling they'll have to follow our lad's out - and face the Iranians.
T-95 if the Prince Sultan has his way. The Mil Mi 24E(SA) deal is a go. Logistically frightening what this lot a doing - they have 12 options on a new service rifle. It all rests on which one 'sits well' on the Prince Sultan's shoulder... His firing hand is numb off the fucking bribe...
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All Abrams conversions will be processed by a through-life coversion plant within Kingdom. Expanded, Saudi will be able to repair their own tanks (with Egyptian) support.
I assume that the Saudi government has had the chance to evaluate the T-95, is there any information that has been conveyed on the capabilities of T-95.
Egyptian M1A1s will be getting some of the M1A2 SEP upgrade, I would assume that Saudi will also go with the full SEP upgrade, but are they also interested in the TUSK urban kit also. You made the statement with Egyptian support, will this come from assistance with the U.S.