RMAF Future; need opinions
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considering the reliability of Russian engine as compared to the western one, a single engine F-16C is probably far more reliable then the twin engine MIG-29. of course, everything goes down to maintainance and logistic.
the RMAF has always stressed on the reliability of twin engines whenever we consider a new plane due to the massive area of sea between the malaysian peninsular and the borneo area..the airforce is indeed considering a second squadron of Su-30MkMs or a new squadron of superhornets..i wouldnt prefer the latter thou..
about capabilities,the MkM is easily one of the best 4th generation fighter around in the market..and the russians were willing to sell everything to us including the BVR R-77 missiles..i guess bad experience from the purchase of the hornets from uncle sam might explain our tendency towards russian products at the moment..
I believe last time, Uncle Sam refuse to sold to Malaysia a AN/ALQ-165 ECM pod.
before MKM, MIG-29N were the primary Fighter/interceptor with secondary ground attack capability while F/A-18D fulfill the ground and maritime attack role with secondary air to air capability. i don't really like F/A-18s though, good aircraft but kind of weak, kinetic wise.
before MKM, MIG-29N were the primary Fighter/interceptor with secondary ground attack capability while F/A-18D fulfill the ground and maritime attack role with secondary air to air capability. i don't really like F/A-18s though, good aircraft but kind of weak, kinetic wise.
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Is/Was this the RMAF Su-30MkM?
guys..i came across a few pics of a russian Su-30 tailsigned '04 blue' which was labelled by a few photographers as the Su-30MkM..can anyone clarify this?it does have some traits of the MkM but is painted in the russian grey camo scheme..is it possible that this was the Su-30MkM?since ive seen the prototype of the MkI which was painted in russian blue camo for display purposes before this...
here are a few pics comparing the 04 blue plane and the actual MkM delivered to the RMAF..
1)gills on the nose in front of the irst ball
2)pod on the spine
3)electronic countermeasures on the tail boom
4)slanted tailfins
5)ECM pods by the intakes
6)ECM pods under the LERX
guys..i came across a few pics of a russian Su-30 tailsigned '04 blue' which was labelled by a few photographers as the Su-30MkM..can anyone clarify this?it does have some traits of the MkM but is painted in the russian grey camo scheme..is it possible that this was the Su-30MkM?since ive seen the prototype of the MkI which was painted in russian blue camo for display purposes before this...
here are a few pics comparing the 04 blue plane and the actual MkM delivered to the RMAF..
1)gills on the nose in front of the irst ball
2)pod on the spine
3)electronic countermeasures on the tail boom
4)slanted tailfins
5)ECM pods by the intakes
6)ECM pods under the LERX
Scorpion82
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One of the 2 Su-30MKI pre-production aircraft was used as Su-30MKM prototype, but I don't know if it was the "04" or the "05".
i PERSONALLY THINK THE SU-30 MKM is far far more better than the F-16.
The su-30 mkm is quite a lot different then the normal su-30.
Most defence profesionalyst rate the su-30 mkm as a russian + european fighter aircraft.
second thing the main reason the RMAF choosed the su-30 mkm is because of the weapon package gave to them from the russians.
The russians gave the R-77 and the KH-59 ME that the RMAF was hopping to get.
I think the only chance that the RMAF will go for any US aircraft if the US give them the JSOW and JDAM missle.
Interesting. Those grils on the nose in front of the cockpit is an western IFF instrument. I belive only the Su 30MKM has it, not even the Su30 MKI have them. It could be a test bed for the MKM.
Also from 1 of the pics, it shows 3 Su 30 MKM on static display. I thought only 2 were delivered/in service in time for the LIMA 2007?
Also from 1 of the pics, it shows 3 Su 30 MKM on static display. I thought only 2 were delivered/in service in time for the LIMA 2007?
Scorpion82
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The MKI uses an Indian IFF system. There are some differences in terms of equipement of the MKI and MKM. Israeli components are missing and I think many Indian components were replaced as well.
exactly,those gills were supposedly evident only on the MkM and recently the algerian MkA if im not mistaken..so why is it on 04 blue as well?might be a test bed like u said..
six MkMs were already delivered when LIMA started..3 were involved in the static display but sadly,only one flew..
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i found pictures of the 04 blue and 05 blue planes at anet..hope it can help u identify which was converted into an MkM,but both looks the same to me..
04 blue
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05 blue
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Again very interesting. you found a 05 Blue, n i found a 05 Su 30 MKM pic :
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/photos/photos/9/8/6/1303689.jpg
judging from the same ecm,esm suit MKM specific found on both pics, including those double parallel yellow lines on the tail,wingtip, and canopy, i believe we are looking at the same plane!
So it looks like the Russians used those MKM for their display's before they repainted n handed them over to Malaysia. Damm those Russians....LOL.
Those Blue camo planes pics were taken during MAKS 2007. So perhaps they were undergoing trials, when they participated in MAKS 2007.
This also means 2 things.
1) Malaysian MKM's participated in MAKS 2007.. Woot!!
2) those blue cammo planes pics in the net are MKM's!!!! n thats the 1 n only chance we'd be able to see the RMAF flankers in a cammo other than the Air force 1.
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/photos/photos/9/8/6/1303689.jpg
judging from the same ecm,esm suit MKM specific found on both pics, including those double parallel yellow lines on the tail,wingtip, and canopy, i believe we are looking at the same plane!
So it looks like the Russians used those MKM for their display's before they repainted n handed them over to Malaysia. Damm those Russians....LOL.
Those Blue camo planes pics were taken during MAKS 2007. So perhaps they were undergoing trials, when they participated in MAKS 2007.
This also means 2 things.
1) Malaysian MKM's participated in MAKS 2007.. Woot!!
2) those blue cammo planes pics in the net are MKM's!!!! n thats the 1 n only chance we'd be able to see the RMAF flankers in a cammo other than the Air force 1.
Scorpion82
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I don't think so. Watching the pics the 04 is obviously the MKM prototype, as said this aircraft and the 05 were the two Su-30MKI pre-production aircraft. The malaysian 05 is for sure not the same aircraft, the number should be a service given one.
I think thats a ATFLIR instead. ALQ-165 is not that shape and the base system is hidden from external observation while can only guess from the tail edge.
As for the reliability of single thrust aircraft. Not that F-16 is not reliable, as for a maritime flight mission, engineers always choose their option towards a twin powered aircraft is indeed true.
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so was the prototype repainted and later delivered to malaysia?really interesting to know if the MkM was indeed 04 blue at one time and performed at MAKS!
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