Malaysian Army/Land forces discussions
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Jup, IIRC that is right.
That is no rating of the actual FCS capabilities when it comes to precision and fire on the move capabilities.
One can live without hunter/killer capabilities. The US did it for a long time (Shame on them...
) but TC override is essential IMHO.
That is no rating of the actual FCS capabilities when it comes to precision and fire on the move capabilities.
One can live without hunter/killer capabilities. The US did it for a long time (Shame on them...
) but TC override is essential IMHO.But isn`t Malaysian Pt-91M set up with a VIGY-15 sight which in fact is a Panoramic sight giving the TC the ability to lay the gun and fire in emergency situations.Jup, IIRC that is right.
That is no rating of the actual FCS capabilities when it comes to precision and fire on the move capabilities.
One can live without hunter/killer capabilities. The US did it for a long time (Shame on them...
Yes, the PT-91M has the Vigy-15, this is stated by the manufacturer (Bumar) herself in on of their PDF-files.
Sagem write about their Vigy-15:
A link to the PDF from Bumar (it's in Polish, I don't speak Polish but an Online-Translator more or less made the job...): http://www.bumar.gliwice.pl/pdf/pt91m.pdf
Sagem write about their Vigy-15:
So in my eyes this sounds as if the PT-91M indeed offers Hunter-Killer capability as well as override. It even sounds as if he has his own TI.
A link to the PDF from Bumar (it's in Polish, I don't speak Polish but an Online-Translator more or less made the job...): http://www.bumar.gliwice.pl/pdf/pt91m.pdf
Ok, I think I confused some things here.
The PTs seem to have a hunter/killer capability but there seems to be no real TC override being implemented.
I read this at Tank Net where it was written by Simon Tan.
I found the sentence again (Before that I also thought that the Vigy-15 offered everything) but now I am even more confused.
Here is what he wrote:
If you think that this post is maybe not very helpfull for you, than you are right...
The PTs seem to have a hunter/killer capability but there seems to be no real TC override being implemented.
I read this at Tank Net where it was written by Simon Tan.
I found the sentence again (Before that I also thought that the Vigy-15 offered everything) but now I am even more confused.
Here is what he wrote:
So maybe it does mean that there is a independent sight but the TC cannot make the gun rotate onto the target he found with it but has to lay the gun manually onto the new target either by just telling the gunner were to search or by directing the gun personally using the gunners primary sight.
If you think that this post is maybe not very helpfull for you, than you are right...
With this sighting system the TC can lay the gun, range to the target and engage targets, but yes it is a rather old French system with the possibility of Malaysia being able to upgrade to the Sagem 15.Ok, I think I confused some things here.
The PTs seem to have a hunter/killer capability but there seems to be no real TC override being implemented.
I read this at Tank Net where it was written by Simon Tan.
I found the sentence again (Before that I also thought that the Vigy-15 offered everything) but now I am even more confused.
Here is what he wrote:
So maybe it does mean that there is a independent sight but the TC cannot make the gun rotate onto the target he found with it but has to lay the gun manually onto the new target either by just telling the gunner were to search or by directing the gun personally using the gunners primary sight.
If you think that this post is maybe not very helpfull for you, than you are right...
Thats what I thought.
Ah, thanks for makingt this clear.With this sighting system the TC can lay the gun, range to the target and engage targets, but yes it is a rather old French system with the possibility of Malaysia being able to upgrade to the Sagem 15.
Makes a possible upgrade of the FCS by the russians even less possible.
Sorry - this is the sight I was referring to (Savan 15). This is a upgraded sight and They have not gone to it as of yet, also why would they degrade the capabilities of a new sighting system. This sight offers the same capabilities but with a better field of view and picture.
Yes - Savan 15 is a fixed gunners sight. Sorry - my fault I should of explained in additional detail to qwerty223 before shooting from the hip. Does the Malaysian tanks actually have them installed, I was told that they did not as of yet.
I went onto the Sagem site and they do state that it is on the PT-91M tanks. So for me personally, this should make this tank even more capable then what I expected, but it is still not up to par with a LEO2A4.
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As far as I know, they do have the Savan 15.
Sagem themselves state that in their Savan 15 advertising pdf:
Sagem themselves state that in their Savan 15 advertising pdf:
Compared, in my eyes that definitely is the Savan 15: Picture
Yes I agree with you, I just re edited my prior post.
this is about something that i just realize.
in time of war malaysia will have around nearly 700,000 man fit for war.
Heres it.
first line.
100,000 soldiers.
50,000 reservist[wataniah]
second line.
~100,000 police personals.
third line.
~450,000 rela.
I was quite shock when i watch the news that stated rela as the 3rd line in times of war.Its even stated that the manpower of rela nearly reached 450,000!
Theres a lot more organisation that can be put under the army in times of war like the APMM[coast guard].
I was quite shocked when i hear that the malaysia maritime enforcement agency have about ~103 ships and around ~4 helicopters.
Thats a lot of number.
The boat that the APMM is using is quite the same to the TLDM gunboat.
It looks like malaysia do spent alot but its quite low profile:
to anyone who have any pics of the APMM gunboats pls feel free to share.
who have any more info about any organisation that could be put under the army in times of war feel free to share.
[peace]
in time of war malaysia will have around nearly 700,000 man fit for war.
Heres it.
first line.
100,000 soldiers.
50,000 reservist[wataniah]
second line.
~100,000 police personals.
third line.
~450,000 rela.
I was quite shock when i watch the news that stated rela as the 3rd line in times of war.Its even stated that the manpower of rela nearly reached 450,000!
Theres a lot more organisation that can be put under the army in times of war like the APMM[coast guard].
I was quite shocked when i hear that the malaysia maritime enforcement agency have about ~103 ships and around ~4 helicopters.
Thats a lot of number.
The boat that the APMM is using is quite the same to the TLDM gunboat.
It looks like malaysia do spent alot but its quite low profile
: to anyone who have any pics of the APMM gunboats pls feel free to share.
who have any more info about any organisation that could be put under the army in times of war feel free to share.
[peace]
Could you provide the source of those numbers?this is about something that i just realize.
in time of war malaysia will have around nearly 700,000 man fit for war.
Heres it.
first line.
100,000 soldiers.
50,000 reservist[wataniah]
second line.
~100,000 police personals.
third line.
~450,000 rela.
I was quite shock when i watch the news that stated rela as the 3rd line in times of war.Its even stated that the manpower of rela nearly reached 450,000!
Theres a lot more organisation that can be put under the army in times of war like the APMM[coast guard].
I was quite shocked when i hear that the malaysia maritime enforcement agency have about ~103 ships and around ~4 helicopters.
Thats a lot of number.
The boat that the APMM is using is quite the same to the TLDM gunboat.
It looks like malaysia do spent alot but its quite low profile
to anyone who have any pics of the APMM gunboats pls feel free to share.
who have any more info about any organisation that could be put under the army in times of war feel free to share.
[peace]
Because based on other reports , the number for the police and the Rela are greatly inflated.
i watched the malaysian news on the 29th of november.
the rela ive comfirmed reaching to about 450,000.
the police as what i now comprised of about 70,000 personals, but malaysia this year will spend about 6 billion ringgit to add about 60,000 more personals due to more crimes happening in malaysia!
if u dont believe me in this you can ask any other malaysians in this forum. i can bet you they all now about this.
The rela next year may take the responsibility from the police by catching all the illegal workers in malaysia.
I just knew this all when i watch the normal 8.00 o'clock news on the 29th of november.
Theres a lot that the malaysian citizens dont now about the army especially when its is covered by the OSA[akhta rahsia kerajaan].
The case that involves the OSA is like the program NGPV.
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thanx for the further info.....