RMAF Future; need opinions

aneep

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actually the Erieye can have dedicated onboard processing done, just because the Swedish version (Argos) don't have it doesn't mean it can't be done
 

Transient

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There are advantages to such a configuration. The major one is that it is cheaper. The battle management system accounts for a significant part of the cost of an AEW&C system. By offloading it to the ground, you can save on duplicating the system for every airframe. Of course, the drawback is that the plane is tethered to the ground station so you compromise on deployability.
 

swerve

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actually the Erieye can have dedicated onboard processing done, just because the Swedish version (Argos) don't have it doesn't mean it can't be done
Exactly. The original Swedish version was intended to function mainly as an airborne sensor within Swedens integrated air defence system, hence the limited onboard processing power & the lack of onboard operators - though they can carry a couple of operators if necessary. The Brazilian version has more onboard processing, several mission consoles, & several operators, as do those sold to Greece & Pakistan.
 

Tebuan

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I was just reading about the capabilities of the phalcon compard to the Erieye. It seems like the erieye just dont cut it. It even needs to send whatever data it receives to the ground basd controller for processing as there isnt dedicated on board processing like the phalcon.
I think its a very bad decision if the MAF goes for the Erieye. Plus the Phalcon was more capabilities like SAR combined in 1 aircraft.
Even if the Phalcon was cheaper and better, RMAF would still not consider it again due to political considerations because it is made by Israel. The coices would be limited to Erieye, Hawkeye 2000, Wedgetail AEW (or a similar system mounted on a cheaper aiframe).
Given diverse geographical layout of the country RMAF will need a system that can function independently as it may have to deploy in both east and west sectors. From what I know east Malaysia does not have an extensive air defence ground envinronment that the west has (has this changed??).
 

qwerty223

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Even if the Phalcon was cheaper and better, RMAF would still not consider it again due to political considerations because it is made by Israel. The coices would be limited to Erieye, Hawkeye 2000, Wedgetail AEW (or a similar system mounted on a cheaper aiframe).
Given diverse geographical layout of the country RMAF will need a system that can function independently as it may have to deploy in both east and west sectors. From what I know east Malaysia does not have an extensive air defence ground envinronment that the west has (has this changed??).
I think gradually it will. If i m not mistaken, half of the MKM will station in east Malaysia.
 

nevidimka

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Y station in the east? are they expecting philipines with its limited n dated aviation to attack malaysa? Ohhh wait.. its to be closer to some1 else...Australia!!

Looks like the plane is really an answer to Howards preemptive strike comments.

Anyways I hope MAF buys another squadron n station them in West as well as replace those MIGS!!!!
 

Awang se

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I heard the thrust vectoring AL-31F used in the MKM and MKI have a very low MTBO, around 250 hours i believe. is it true?
 
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Tebuan

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Its from french that comes also with the THALES system that the Su-30 mkm is equipped with.The malaysians didnt used the israelis ones due to certain political reason.:p:
Paskal, thanks. I looked it up and looks like they bought the THALES DAMOCLES pod which is currently in use with French Navy/ Air Force
 

Tebuan

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I heard the thrust vectoring AL-31F used in the MKM and MKI have a very low MTBO, around 250 hours i believe. is it true?
What I read before on some Indian Air Forece related literature mention 1000 hours MTBO and 3000 hrs expected life span for the AL-31F engines but lower hour numbers on the titanium thrust vector modules (probably 500). However I cant remember the exact site now.
 

Skyman

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Y station in the east? are they expecting philipines with its limited n dated aviation to attack malaysa? Ohhh wait.. its to be closer to some1 else...Australia!!

Looks like the plane is really an answer to Howards preemptive strike comments.

Anyways I hope MAF buys another squadron n station them in West as well as replace those MIGS!!!!
I think they are worry about Spratly Islands.
 

kaybee

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I think gradually it will. If i m not mistaken, half of the MKM will station in east Malaysia.
Where did you hear this from? There is no major airbase in the east yet and RMAF would not park the MKM under a typical aircraft hanger. However there is a plan to develop a large airbase somewhere near Kuching to base future combat squadrons. It would take many Malaysia Plans to achieve it.
 

qwerty223

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Where did you hear this from? There is no major airbase in the east yet and RMAF would not park the MKM under a typical aircraft hanger. However there is a plan to develop a large airbase somewhere near Kuching to base future combat squadrons. It would take many Malaysia Plans to achieve it.
I actually read it in the news. And yes, it is associated with the new base.
 

nevidimka

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Say that the flankers are based in kuching, how long does it takes them to reach Johor after take off??

Also what is the standard set up configuration for the flankers on a AA mission? Do they carry thier ECM pods in such configuration?
Or are they restricted for wartime only?
 

tphuang

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If I'm not wrong, the rumours originated when the chinese tested the TVC engines for the J-10. There were some reports stating that the MTBO (or more likely MTBFs) were 50 hours which is highly unlikely to be that low.

The web indication for MTBOs should be around 1000 hours. Even then, that's quite low.

There hasn't been much public criticism of the AL-31 engines as yet and I haven't heard of the IAF complaining about its TVC engines as well.

Regarding load-outs, there are pics of possible load-outs on the following website:
http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/info-su30mki.html

The above website also mentions media reports of engines being early overhauled at 700 hours. The rumours were dismissed by the IAF although the IAF acknowledged problem with engine fan blades.

Just an example.

Sep 2003 article talking abt the 700 hour thingy.
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/articles/20030914.aspx

Flight global's report of 1000 hour TBO for Su-30MKIs
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2007/05/01/213591/military-engines-russia.html

Can probably get a full picture from the BR website.
We have not received an engine that lasted in 4 digits yet. lol. AL-31 are not the hallmark of reliability. And I don't believe any production J-10 is using TVC at the moment. I could be wrong.
 

Awang se

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One more thing i read is that, until SU-30MKI become operational, RMAF MIG-29N were the only Russian made fighters that can simultaneously engage multiple targets.
 
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