radiosilence
jints
Really? Please provide some documentation of this claim.
Strait of Hormuz
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If You type it into google you will find information.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article2369001.ece
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iran-strikes.htm
Now i know why it mislead you. I said Congress, changed it to pentagon sorry about that.
PullerRommel
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IMO the problem is not of a conventional military bu of the insurgency afterwards
Is it naval movement or is it movement by Iranian ground forces?
No insurgency because there won't be an invasion to begin with unless you were talking about Hezbollah fighting Israel. IMO, the biggest problem for an air campaign on Iran's nuke facilities are the Tor-M1's and the rumored S-300's in Iran. I expect those to take down a few planes before being taken out(if they are there). And there is always the chance of Tor-M1's taking out JDAM's in mid-air. Other than that there should be no real problem.
martitrmartitr
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My five cents
1. The US would not wage an air campaign with Israel. Israeli involvement means no other arab support.
2. Where are they going to launch from? Saudi bases risk destabilizing an already unpopular regime. Especially if the israelis are in on it.
Iraqi bases means making enemies of the shiites (even though iranian shiites isn`t arabs, they still are pretty thight). It also makes a mockery of their self governing. Throwing fuel on the fire.
Incirlik: You need to get the turks on board. After recently offending them in congress you need to be pretty convincing. Probably go through UN or NATO.
From carriers. Seems to be the possibility left. Might be difficult to support a devestating, sustained campaign from carriers. some of the countries might allow CSAR but not strike missions, but again if the israelis are in, probably not. Carriers gives you no stealth at this point and limited range.
Long range bombers from Guam and other bases. No problems here.
3. Politically unsound. Unless the Iranians makes some very agressive moves, another unilateral action will again isolate the US. European nations will not support this without significant proof of "impending doom". China and Russia has their usual objections. Iraq and Afghani insurgencies will intensify. Hezbollah might light up Israel again. It would also be the world largest recruiting poster for terrorists.
4. Bombing doesn`t stop a nuclear program, it at best delayes it.
(don`t bother bringing up Iraq)
Just my five cent.
1. The US would not wage an air campaign with Israel. Israeli involvement means no other arab support.
2. Where are they going to launch from? Saudi bases risk destabilizing an already unpopular regime. Especially if the israelis are in on it.
Iraqi bases means making enemies of the shiites (even though iranian shiites isn`t arabs, they still are pretty thight). It also makes a mockery of their self governing. Throwing fuel on the fire.
Incirlik: You need to get the turks on board. After recently offending them in congress you need to be pretty convincing. Probably go through UN or NATO.
From carriers. Seems to be the possibility left. Might be difficult to support a devestating, sustained campaign from carriers. some of the countries might allow CSAR but not strike missions, but again if the israelis are in, probably not. Carriers gives you no stealth at this point and limited range.
Long range bombers from Guam and other bases. No problems here.
3. Politically unsound. Unless the Iranians makes some very agressive moves, another unilateral action will again isolate the US. European nations will not support this without significant proof of "impending doom". China and Russia has their usual objections. Iraq and Afghani insurgencies will intensify. Hezbollah might light up Israel again. It would also be the world largest recruiting poster for terrorists.
4. Bombing doesn`t stop a nuclear program, it at best delayes it.
(don`t bother bringing up Iraq)
Just my five cent.
martitrmartitr
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Afghanistan would inflame the insurgency there, and also pushing the afghan to accept this would weaken their so called self government.
US cant use afghan bases at will. That would cause problems with the other countries that have troops in Afghanistan. They would be indirectly supporting the operations and thats a political nightmare.
That islamists have a popular majority in Bahrain. see 2006 election.
They also have close ties to the shiite and Al Sistani. I`m not sure if they would allow more than the 1500 troops that already are there, and no offensive ops.
Apparently the IRGC took over naval operation in the Sea of Oman and Strait of Hormuz a few weeks ago.
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And how now do we keep it open?
Good point, you started me wondering about the nuts and bolts of the response to Iran's moves.
We can use Airpower to destroy each and every ship, boat and submarine that Iran can use to drop mines... but only after it has been confirmed that they are making a move.
You know how long that can take...
And then you have to clear mines already laid. We have US helicopters towing sweeper sleds, Omani mine-sweepers, some minor assents from Gulf states, and then what?
You can drop mines almost anywhere in the Gulf and eventualy hurt something, it's not just the straits.
One last thing- You can drop mines with just about any type of aircraft, even an airliner on it's way to Mecca. How many aircraft larger than a Cessna does Iran have?
Well, you'll still need a cargo door at least
that'd make...
about ten Il-76
about ten Boeing 707/707F/727/747
about a dozen An-24
about a dozen An-74
a good dozen C-130
two dozen CH-47 helos
a few CH-53
Plus their five P-3 Orion of course as primary carriers.
radiosilence
jints
What about using Subs to deploy mines?
I thought it was FOUR Kilos, don't tell me they lost one already?
I've heard about the readieness status since the fall of the Shah... and boy oh boy, how the mighty have fallen!Well, you'll still need a cargo door at least
that'd make...
about ten Il-76
about ten Boeing 707/707F/727/747
about a dozen An-24
about a dozen An-74
a good dozen C-130
two dozen CH-47 helos
a few CH-53
Plus their five P-3 Orion of course as primary carriers.
Im a little foggy on the AN-74, does anyone know the Stat's on that bird?
What?!...
What the hell are you talking about?
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