These news really astound me. It seems like they actually believe China needs stuff like RC-400 and Mica to advance itself. If that were the case, China should just junk PL-12 and J-10.
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Well they don't really astound me but come to pay attention its always just a media hype. When it comes to officials things go through & they refuse to comment (perhaps to narrow minded news reporters).
What amazes me is that why in the world is PAF going for western radar when they have a chinese one with similar standards. This means that maybe the chinese KLJ is not as capable as RC-400 is. I remember PAF wanted the same kind of modification with J-10 i.e with western avonics, which would require heavy modifications on PAF's part. Something i cant understand. I personaly believe unless we can get an AESA radar, we should stick with the chinese one and with joint expertise get it updated.
I think the J-10 situation is just about PAF making noises to try to get some great Western avionics, they have inherent bias imo against Chinese products. I have posted on this in the past. J-10 in Chinese service are designed for different missions than what PAF has envisioned, so China will need to develop a different set of avionics for PAF. As for RC-400, I think this is for the second batch of JF-17s. I'm interested to see what China will offer in response.
Well if I'm not wrong, then the RC-400 is inferior to what the indians are going to incorporate (western radar - I think it is RDY-3) in their tejas aircraft. If that is true, then the PAF would be looking for something which is better not only than the RC-400, but also the RDY-3, from the Chinese. Question is, whether there is a radar in the catagory of the FC-1/JF-17 fighter type, which would be able to fit (in size) on this aircraft and give a performance which is superior to RDY-3?
indians have selected the israeli elta el/m-2032 radar for the initial versions of the lca,an indigenous aesa is currently under development.the rc-400 was rejected for the lca ,even though it was offered.the other radar that was rejected for the lca was the russian kopyo-x.
It seems PAF shall be getting first batch of 8 fighters equippped with Russian engines quite soon. Here is the link:
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\11\21\story_21-11-2007_pg7_11
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007\11\21\story_21-11-2007_pg7_11
http://www.kommersant.com/p827285/military_industrial_sales/
This report talk about permitting export of RD-33 to Algeria, mentioning Algeria is not happy with MIG-29.
This report talk about permitting export of RD-33 to Algeria, mentioning Algeria is not happy with MIG-29.
The countries listed for export of RD-33 are:
If these countries really are customers for JF-17, then there should be something in it:unknown
Its RD-93 engine JF-17/FC-1 is using & its for early batches. The later versions are suppose to be equipped with Chinese WS-13 Engines.
mysterious
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The JF-17 fulfills almost ALL the criteria for a mid-tech fighter jet to form the backbone of most Airforces with budget constraints. Keeping that mind, your comment [which shows utter lack of research on the topic] is found wanting 'thefox'.
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Rather than just asking a question like this it might perhaps be worthwhile to do a little research. Doing so can often answers ones question, and may well lead to better questions.
Just doing a quick google search, I returned a number of results available here. One might want to take a look since there will likely be at least some of the answers desired.
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While doing some research on different variants of J-10, I came across some pictures of J-10c which looked a lot different than the earlier versions. The obvious difference seemed to be twin engines while variant was named as Super10. I know PAF will like to have two Squadrons of J-10 but it would be interesting to see which version they are looking to induct considering that they have reduced the number of F-16s to be purchased from US.
Although Chinease planes are cheaper but inducting a new aircraft will require new support resources, the move I guess would put a consider amount of stress on PAC, as it will be required to do a lot of catching up in terms of allocating support resources for JF-17 n J-10s.
Although Chinease planes are cheaper but inducting a new aircraft will require new support resources, the move I guess would put a consider amount of stress on PAC, as it will be required to do a lot of catching up in terms of allocating support resources for JF-17 n J-10s.
mysterious
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To clarify 'layer3', PAF is going for the J-10C as it fulfils many of PAF's requirements. Not particularly sure if a firm decision has been taken but IMHO, with a Western avionics suite as well as the ability to integrate Western weapons systems it should take care of many of PAF's present day worries with regards to operational effectiveness.
I am bit confused with the J-10c or Super10 as pictures uploaded on wikipedia(which I know could be misleading) show it as twin engine or twin tail version of standard J-10.(correct me if I am wrong) If that is the case, I wonder how many are there already in service with PLAAF.
Not sure if PAF will press for ToT as I havn't seen any reports plus PAF seems to be going through honeymoon period with JF-17 at the moment. Again I am bit concerned with PACs capability to cope with burden for the support of new aircrafts as they had quite relaxed 15 to 20 years with no significant inductions.
It will take a significant amount of time and money for expansion of PAC before actual manufacturing or overhauling could be undertaken.
Not sure if PAF will press for ToT as I havn't seen any reports plus PAF seems to be going through honeymoon period with JF-17 at the moment. Again I am bit concerned with PACs capability to cope with burden for the support of new aircrafts as they had quite relaxed 15 to 20 years with no significant inductions.
It will take a significant amount of time and money for expansion of PAC before actual manufacturing or overhauling could be undertaken.
DefConGuru
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They will soon (double engine/semi stealth) with the FC-20...or is the FC - 20 the base model J-10 ? Anyone know if Pakistan is getting the J - 10 or an upgraded variant with twin engines and capability for supercruise as is being touted for the sino Super 10?
I agree that Pakistan should invest in Rafale's until it can concentrate on what it will be doing to counter for post 2015 when most major Air Forces will be fully stealth capable, including probably India. If indeed Pakistan acquires a semi stealth Super 10, then that's another thing, which I heard they might procure of up to 72 ish. But if infact it's just a base model J - 10 with some base model chinese radar and suites, then go for the Rafales.
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Also heard the FC-20 could be the full stealth JXX ...