Indian Army News and Discussion

[su-30mki]

Guys what the hell is in this government's head???
This is pure stupidity and politics for the upa govt.

Read this:


New Delhi: The Government has shot down the defence establishment’s demand to give the army a new version of the Bofors gun which outperformed all its rivals during trials.

The army—which is for desperate for a new gun as part of its modernisation and upgradation plan—till March 2007 was on the verge of buying the new Bofors gun that would have enabled it to strike targets deep inside enemy areas. But after the completion of an unprecedented four round of trials in four years, the gun was rejected.

Many experts credit Bofors guns for India winning the war in Kargil. The new Bofors gun, which is more advanced and is inspired by the Kargil war, was tested in all kinds of conditions: in the deserts of Rajasthan to the heights of Kashmir.

The new gun outperformed its rivals but sources say the UPA government feared the name Bofors would create a controversy because of the kickbacks scandal of 1980s.

BAE Systems SWS Defence, which manufactures the Bofors gun, says the Government’s decision is surprising. “I am very surprised and disappointed because we got indications that we had fulfilled all the requirements. We are not agreeing with what the army is saying—this is a very sophisticated gun,” said Hakan Kangert, Chairperson of BAE Systems SWS Defence.

Even former Army chiefs are now questioning the UPA government’s decision. “The name of Bofors carries a political baggage, particularly with the Government in power,” said former army chief General (retired) Shankar Roy Chowdhury.

CNN-IBN has learnt that the Bofors gun had matched and surpassed most of confidential quality requirement parameters that the army had set for buying the new gun:

The army demanded a maximum firing range of 35 km: the new Bofors gun has a range of 40 km. The army wanted a firing rate of 75 rounds in an hour: the Bofors firing rate 75 rounds in 23 minutes.

Yet, the army cancelled the deal. Sources in the Defence Ministry told CNN-IBN that now a new tender would be floated and this would have less stringent specifications than the earlier one.

This news is from yahoo news.I wasent able to post the link as i have not completed 15 posts.

 

[kay_man]

about the polls ?

is india even planning to buy new attack choppers ?

whts thebugget?

 

[aaaditya]

is india even planning to buy new attack choppers ?

whts thebugget?

india plans to acquire an initial batch of 24 heavy attack heliciopters with a maximum possible force strength of 60 heavy attack helicopters,supplemented by indian light combat helicopter and the combat capable fennecs and dhruvs.

india has already set the rfi to boeing for the apache,iam sure that they will also invite the russian kamov and the mi helicopter companies,though iam not sure about the denel rooivalk.

 

[kay_man]

not such a good decision

india plans to acquire an initial batch of 24 heavy attack heliciopters with a maximum possible force strength of 60 heavy attack helicopters,supplemented by indian light combat helicopter and the combat capable fennecs and dhruvs.

india has already set the rfi to boeing for the apache,iam sure that they will also invite the russian kamov and the mi helicopter companies,though iam not sure about the denel rooivalk.

im not too flattered actually
the euro tiger helicopter is much better than al these helicopter....also it is 1 step ahead as it has stealth also


now indiaa already has mil24 hind and mil35 hind which are heavy attach helicopters and are very capable

the apache is almost in the same class as these
so instead of going for the apache buying tiger is more sensible .maybe a little expensive but it maybe an edge in the long run

wht do u think??????

 

[aaaditya]

im not too flattered actually
the euro tiger helicopter is much better than al these helicopter....also it is 1 step ahead as it has stealth also


now indiaa already has mil24 hind and mil35 hind which are heavy attach helicopters and are very capable

the apache is almost in the same class as these
so instead of going for the apache buying tiger is more sensible .maybe a little expensive but it maybe an edge in the long run

wht do u think??????

the heavy attack heliopters are being purchasd as a replacement for the mi-24 and mi35 which are nearly 20 years old,the lch is still in the design stage it is being designed to be comparable in all aspects to the tiger,the design seems to be pretty stealthy.

the indian lch is believed to be considerably cheaper than the tiger while providing similiar capabilities.

 

[kay_man]

the heavy attack heliopters are being purchasd as a replacement for the mi-24 and mi35 which are nearly 20 years old,the lch is still in the design stage it is being designed to be comparable in all aspects to the tiger,the design seems to be pretty stealthy.

the indian lch is believed to be considerably cheaper than the tiger while providing similiar capabilities.

COULD U SEND A LINK OR PASTE A PHOTO OF THE DESIGN OF LCH

the mil 24 is old not he mil 35, the later is now being fitted with night vision and
thermal vision for night operations

the mil 35 is approx only old as the apache,
and not to mention tht since we are so chummy with the russians , we might get more of the mil 35 ar a much cheaper rate than any american equipment

also since the mil 35 is a derivative of mil 24 hind it will be easier to maintain and train new pilot than a new chopper like apache


and about the lch ,
as u said it is in design stages and i believe there will be many delays as in the lca and arjun project
it makes more sense to go fot tigers

 

[kay_man]

lch

it has no stealth
it has no stealth

its design is similar to western attack helicopters.....its a sort of light -medium weight design and it will take hell lot of time to evolve to tiger lvl

 

[gf0012-aust]

the euro tiger helicopter is much better than al these helicopter....also it is 1 step ahead as it has stealth also

where has the Tiger got any aspect of stealth?

aust actually uses the EuroTiger, nobody considers it to be a stealthy asset.

 

[kay_man]

????

where has the Tiger got any aspect of stealth?

aust actually uses the EuroTiger, nobody considers it to be a stealthy asset.

oh , im sorry im confused, i thought the tiger was partly stealth and it was designed for electronic warfare........

maybe im confusing it with somthing else?

 

[Stimpy75]

oh , im sorry im confused, i thought the tiger was partly stealth and it was designed for electronic warfare........

maybe im confusing it with somthing else?

perhaps you mean the james bond film,die another day, i believe...the tiger shall have no problem while a nuke explodes in the stratosphere and all the electronics is toasted,except for the tiger....

 

[kay_man]

mca

hey guys,

any of u dudes heard anything new on the mca prject( medium combat aircraft)

the stealth is a benefit but removing the vertical fins may limit manouverability dont u think?
and plus india is involved in pak-fa.....now tht will be an awsome machine.....im pretty sure it will kill the mca project in near future:nutkick

 

[funtz]

well the drawings of this are available on the Bharat Rakshak website, however that is a general interpretation, i have some opinions, however it might be better for the Indian air force thread.

Some thing that needs mentioning is that the Indian Military Academy has been around for 75 years now.

 

[Aussie Digger]

where has the Tiger got any aspect of stealth?

aust actually uses the EuroTiger, nobody considers it to be a stealthy asset.

It's made of composites remember?

THAT is what makes the Eurofighter and Rafale so stealthy apparently...

 

[FutureTank]

It's made of composites remember?

THAT is what makes the Eurofighter and Rafale so stealthy apparently...

ahm...the 'composites' are a general term that applies to many diverse uses of materials in design applications. Most helicopter systems use composite components in one way or another.

In the case of the Eurocopter Tiger it applies to incorporating materials technology that reduces weight while providing crew and systems with adequate protection against possible threats, namely 23mm autocannon fire. You may be thinking of a prototype that featured in some movies (I can't think of the name).

At it happens the Tiger does have a fairly good signature and believed to use IR suppression coatings to reduce its visibility to the targeting systems.

However Eurocopter Tiger can not be compared with fixed wing designs such as Eurofighter and Rafale which are built to completely different specifications.

 

[gf0012-aust]

Did you see the smiley at the end of AD's post?

The movie was Blue Thunder - and the helo was an Aerospatiale SA341G Gazelle

and Tiger is not stealthy. it doesn't matter how much the manufacturer incorporate materials management into its signature profile, that base design is about as unobtrusive as a polar bear stuck in a room full of penguins.

suppression systems such as RAM coatings are overhyped on platforms like rotaries.

ahm...the 'composites' are a general term that applies to many diverse uses of materials in design applications. Most helicopter systems use composite components in one way or another.

In the case of the Eurocopter Tiger it applies to incorporating materials technology that reduces weight while providing crew and systems with adequate protection against possible threats, namely 23mm autocannon fire. You may be thinking of a prototype that featured in some movies (I can't think of the name).

At it happens the Tiger does have a fairly good signature and believed to use IR suppression coatings to reduce its visibility to the targeting systems.

However Eurocopter Tiger can not be compared with fixed wing designs such as Eurofighter and Rafale which are built to completely different specifications.

 

[FutureTank]

Did you see the smiley at the end of AD's post?

The movie was Blue Thunder - and the helo was an Aerospatiale SA341G Gazelle

and Tiger is not stealthy. it doesn't matter how much the manufacturer incorporate materials management into its signature profile, that base design is about as unobtrusive as a polar bear stuck in a room full of penguins.

suppression systems such as RAM coatings are overhyped on platforms like rotaries.

Didn't see a smiley...
I was thinking of the Boeing/Sikorsky RAH-66 Comanche which featured in Ang Lee's Hulk (2003) along with a few tossed M1 Abrams tanks

 

[buglerbilly]

suppression systems such as RAM coatings are overhyped on platforms like rotaries.

The first one that finds out how to mask a moving rotor gets to retire wealthy and happy.............

 

[FutureTank]

The first one that finds out how to mask a moving rotor gets to retire wealthy and happy.............

mask in what way?
There are three issues as I can see
IR
visual
noise

 

[gf0012-aust]

Didn't see a smiley...
I was thinking of the Boeing/Sikorsky RAH-66 Comanche which featured in Ang Lee's Hulk (2003) along with a few tossed M1 Abrams tanks

Pretty good for an all digital sequence...

 

[Aussie Digger]

ahm...the 'composites' are a general term that applies to many diverse uses of materials in design applications. Most helicopter systems use composite components in one way or another.

In the case of the Eurocopter Tiger it applies to incorporating materials technology that reduces weight while providing crew and systems with adequate protection against possible threats, namely 23mm autocannon fire. You may be thinking of a prototype that featured in some movies (I can't think of the name).

At it happens the Tiger does have a fairly good signature and believed to use IR suppression coatings to reduce its visibility to the targeting systems.

However Eurocopter Tiger can not be compared with fixed wing designs such as Eurofighter and Rafale which are built to completely different specifications.

GF already addressed it, but I was poking fun at those who claim certain designs are stealthy merely because they are made from "composites"...