Sorry, I have to say my only source is the very unreliable Wikipedia. I thought I read it somewhere reliable. Anyways I will continue my search for source. My apologies.
Rafale is planned to be able to carry Meteor, when Meteor enters service, but that is years away. Rafale is not being used for Meteor development firings (all Gripen, AFAIK), & I think that no integration work has yet been done.
That's what I said but it says in the article that Rafale already carried out a successful A2A missile test. Anyways I thought (not sure) that the AMRAAM, AIM-132 and AIM-9 have been cleared for use on the Rafale, was I wrong in saying this?
How can they integrate them when they haven't even gone through the certification process? They can't even promote interchange and interoperability without going through a certification process. (and that means US involvement - and where would dassault get the critical software and requisite buss details??)
I corrected myself though on the AMRAAM compatibility in the previous post (my only source was Wikipedia
). Anyways thanks for the info gf0012-aust.The Rafale carried environmental rounds of Meteors just to gather data about vibration etc. on the aircraft and for the missile it self. The Rafale is not able to communicate with the missile for the moment. Once development and integration work is done the missile will be used.That's what I said but it says in the article that Rafale already carried out a successful A2A missile test. Anyways I thought (not sure) that the AMRAAM, AIM-132 and AIM-9 have been cleared for use on the Rafale, was I wrong in saying this?
I realize that that's why I asked if they had been cleared/certified for use on the Rafale. Anyways thanks for the info.
Hence why we make loud noises about quoting it as a reference point.(my only source was Wikipedia
The problem with Wiki is that its self managed - and anyone can thus turn into an internet author with minimal management... If the authors are one eyed enthusiass or platform dilettantes, then its value as an information source can be compromised.Mmm, not really:
That's why I didn't use it and posted a different source instead. Though I'm still lacking a source for the AIM-9, ASRAAM and AMRAAM being certified for the Rafale. From what is being said on here they haven't been certified.Hence why we make loud noises about quoting it as a reference point.
Wiki is best used as a last resort, and as an act of declared desperation.
On the contrary, I think it is a good starting point, but should also always be used just as one. One of the most valuable things about Wikipedia is the collection of links to the sources, where the real research begins.
Yes, but it listed no links where it mentioned the AIM-9, ASRAAM, and AMRAAM in the armaments section in their Rafale article:unknown .
The point about Wiki being a "last resort" is in terms of use as a source to reference. Nothing wrong at all to use Wiki as a starting point when researching or investigating something, and then using sources to verify what was found on Wiki or to get more specific questions to answer on a topic. What the preference is to Not see, is someone stating something found in Wiki as a fact, because as mentioned, anyone can edit Wiki.
One of the wiser mods here sez in his profile something like never attribute to malice what can easily be explained by stupidity. The F15's record is something like 105 to 0 and it's been updated since it's advent into American forces since the 70's. So you can compare all you want, which by the way is something we're not supposed to do but remember that you are still using the F15 as the bar for all of the claims you make and with good reason. HutchI just meant that the Rafale can integrate them I didn't mean that they already had them on it. Anyways I apologize for misspelling the Rafale's name and saying you misspelled it. Learn to keep your anger in check in the future
It wasn't me who started the F-15 vs. Rafale comparison! BKNO is the one who said that the Rafale makes "a cold meal out of legacy fighters". He also went on to say that it was "on par with Typhoon", now that I don't believe is true. The F-15 is 30 year old plane now you can't expect it to stay ahead for ever even with upgrades.
The it only has the value of a rumour and should not be interpreted and presented as fact, because, as Preceptor stated, everybody can edit it on a whim.
You seem to be under the impression that you are comparing stone knives and bear skins to electronic warfare. This is simply not so, while systems have been upgraded and avionics and radars are better they are still working with the same basic principles with the exception of a more integrated style of warfare championed by mainly the US. The SU37 is still basically a SU27 with some nice upgrades but it's still the same basic tech and the F15 will give a good account for itself against anything mainly because of the progression of avionics, advanced radars, missile development, thrust vectoring etc. As long as you have such advances you could send up a Cessna with a BVR missile and win a fight, this is a fun example but you get the point. It's going to be much cheaper and effective to design and produce air to air missiles to manage the threat then to attempt to match the US advantage in both resources and R & D. Besides, outside of the fact that the Typhoon and other fighters are high performance they do nothing to take advantage of Stealth and that is presently the only way to have an offensive first strike capability that the US has insisted on having. Hutch
Apparently USAF thinks it's not important to have TVC (except when it comes to the F-22) . I don't think they're interested in AESA radars for the F-15's either. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the AESA radar integrated in the F-15 only for use in Singapore and will only enter limited service in USAF?
Or will they upgrade all of the F-15's with AESA's?Yes the USAF is interested in AESA for it's F-15 fighters but it doesn't seem a huge priority.Apparently USAF thinks it's not important to have TVC (except when it comes to the F-22) . I don't think they're interested in AESA radars for the F-15's either. Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the AESA radar integrated in the F-15 only for use in Singapore and will only enter limited service in USAF?
Are the Rafale's in service with the French Air Force/Navy all going to be upgraded with AESA's when it's released?