Indian Navy (IN) News and Discussion
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radiosilence
jints
This shouldn't be a surprise since it was reported sometime in May(which was denied by india's MoD at the time) that they were going to be delays . Another issue has been the cost overrun of over 100 million. This whole episode might affect the indo/russian relationship on future projects.
Is there a current count of ships Russia is building for India? 1 CV, 3 Talwar frigates, and ???
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jints
I am not aware of any other ship Russia is building other than the ones you mention. IIRC, the first Talwar class frigate will be inducted in 2011.
Can't think of any more, atleast not in public domain. Construction of project 1135.6 frigates has started at Pribaltiisky shipyards Yantar in Kaliningrad.
India issued RFI for 7 advanced frigates/destroyers last year to european and russian ship yards.
Apparently Vladimir Pastukhov, Director of Sevmash shipyard is to be replaced by Nikolai Kalistratov, who was heading Zvyozdochka ship-repair plant.
As to whether this incident will affect Indo-Russian relationship adversely, I don't think so. However India will for sure look to diversify her future acquisitions.
Reports also indicate that joint Indo-Russian project of MTA has been shelved due to lack of funding from Russian side. Now HAL is looking at other partners such as Gulfstream, Alenia Aeronautica and Embraer.
kams,
I was reading through the Russian papers yesterday and it is pretty clear to me that Russian shipyards is being upgraded by Indian money.
Did you notice all new deals go to a new shipyard? Not an accident, it is designed that way so that shipyard can use the profits for upgrades. In the end, it costs India more than it would have had Russia built the purchases in the same yard.
I was reading through the Russian papers yesterday and it is pretty clear to me that Russian shipyards is being upgraded by Indian money.
Did you notice all new deals go to a new shipyard? Not an accident, it is designed that way so that shipyard can use the profits for upgrades. In the end, it costs India more than it would have had Russia built the purchases in the same yard.
Galragn,
Very true. Few eye brows were raised when Yantar won the contract to build follow on 3 Talwar class instead of Baltisky Zavod who built the first three.
It is the Chinese and Indian contracts which helped to keep aflaot many of the Russian Arms plants/Design bureau running. To be fair, both India and Chinese did get some good products at bargain prices. Just look at the amount of customization done in most of the products India bought from Russia, where electronics from Israel, France, Denmark etc have been fittted on to Russian platforms.
sashikanth
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When will the scorpions be into service in india and how many of them??
Groan....
No 'Scorpions' will ever join IN, nor am I aware of any such submarines ever built or offered to India.
Now if you mean Scorpenes, a simple Google query or a search of this very own forum will answer your question.
contedicavour
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Since the announcement of the Gorshkov delivery around 2011 and since the IAC is planned for delivery around 2012 earliest...
> how long can the former Hermes still sail with an operational complement of Harriers (by the way, have these been updated with Israeli BVR missiles or not ? I've read so many times of delays that I've lost track)
> how are the Indian navy MIG29K pilots going to train ? On the Russian Kuztnetsov ? The MIG29Ks are starting to arrive now...
Separately, if the Scorpenes programme runs late, does it have any impact on the very secretive SSN programme ?
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> how long can the former Hermes still sail with an operational complement of Harriers (by the way, have these been updated with Israeli BVR missiles or not ? I've read so many times of delays that I've lost track)
> how are the Indian navy MIG29K pilots going to train ? On the Russian Kuztnetsov ? The MIG29Ks are starting to arrive now...
Separately, if the Scorpenes programme runs late, does it have any impact on the very secretive SSN programme ?
cheers
Hmmm Hermes will sail beyond 2012. Harriers have been upgraded with Derby/Python and Radar.
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Scorpene and ATV are independent projects. In any case it's too early to say that Scorpene project is delayed. First Scorpene is scheduled to join IN in 2012 and hull fabrication of the first started on May 24, 2007.
Naval Barak-8
IAI has put Barak-8 naval missile system on it's website. It appears to be a completely new missile, with Active seaker, Two way data, multiple simulataneous engagement capability, coupled to MF-STAR AESA radar. This is first of the Air-defence missile under joint development by DRDO and IAI. Another version called Barak NG (or Barak MR-SAM) with almost double the range of Barak 8 (150 km) will be developed for IAF.
Barak 8
IAI has put Barak-8 naval missile system on it's website. It appears to be a completely new missile, with Active seaker, Two way data, multiple simulataneous engagement capability, coupled to MF-STAR AESA radar. This is first of the Air-defence missile under joint development by DRDO and IAI. Another version called Barak NG (or Barak MR-SAM) with almost double the range of Barak 8 (150 km) will be developed for IAF.
Barak 8
hey guys,check out this interesting link and article,it seems that india and israel are planning to jointly develop an unmanned combat helicopter for the indian navy.
here check out this link and article:
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=2953232&C=asiapac
The Indian Navy is exploring collaboration between local and Israeli defense companies to develop unmanned combat helicopters, according to Defence Ministry sources here.
Adm. Sureesh Mehta, chief of the Indian Navy, and Vice Adm. David Ben Bashat discussed the possible joint development and other defense programs Aug. 7 during Bashat’s visit here, the first official visit to India by an Israel Navy chief.
The Indian Navy has projected a requirement for 30 to 50 unmanned combat helicopters.
Indian-Israeli defense ties have been on the rise since 1999 and are generally shrouded in secrecy. Israel is working on a number of high-tech programs for the Indian military, including the co-production of nuclear-capable cruise missiles, air defense systems and anti-ballistic missile systems. The country is the largest supplier of UAVs for the Indian Defence Forces.
India also is keen to lease an advanced dedicated military satellite from Israel, Navy sources here said. However, no details on the matter are available, and it is not known whether the matter was discussed during the Israel Navy chief’s visit.
The Indian Navy has the Israeli Barak air defense system and is also developing an extended-range Barak along with India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation.
here check out this link and article:
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?F=2953232&C=asiapac
The Indian Navy is exploring collaboration between local and Israeli defense companies to develop unmanned combat helicopters, according to Defence Ministry sources here.
Adm. Sureesh Mehta, chief of the Indian Navy, and Vice Adm. David Ben Bashat discussed the possible joint development and other defense programs Aug. 7 during Bashat’s visit here, the first official visit to India by an Israel Navy chief.
The Indian Navy has projected a requirement for 30 to 50 unmanned combat helicopters.
Indian-Israeli defense ties have been on the rise since 1999 and are generally shrouded in secrecy. Israel is working on a number of high-tech programs for the Indian military, including the co-production of nuclear-capable cruise missiles, air defense systems and anti-ballistic missile systems. The country is the largest supplier of UAVs for the Indian Defence Forces.
India also is keen to lease an advanced dedicated military satellite from Israel, Navy sources here said. However, no details on the matter are available, and it is not known whether the matter was discussed during the Israel Navy chief’s visit.
The Indian Navy has the Israeli Barak air defense system and is also developing an extended-range Barak along with India’s Defence Research and Development Organisation.
contedicavour
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It is very interesting that for AAW missiles India has definitively abandoned Russian products and moved to joint Israeli-Indian production.
This is different from SSM/cruise where Brahmos is similar to the Russian Yakhont/Onyx, without forgetting Russian aircrafts and helos for the Navy.
Should we expect retrofits of Barak NG on Delhi/improved Delhi DDGs ?
cheers
This is different from SSM/cruise where Brahmos is similar to the Russian Yakhont/Onyx, without forgetting Russian aircrafts and helos for the Navy.
Should we expect retrofits of Barak NG on Delhi/improved Delhi DDGs ?
cheers
Well, if you see trend, the emphasis is on mooving from procuring off the shelf products to joint development and production. Some reasons behind this, one, it will be sanction proof, second - cost, third to give a boost to domestic defence establishment.
I don't know feasability of retrofitting Barak 8 on exisiting ships. Depends on compatibility of existing VLS with new missile and MF-STAR will have to be installed, which inturn entails complete change of Combat system. But we can expect to see them on P15A (Kolkatta class) and the new AAW frigates for which RFP was floated last year.
contedicavour
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Thks ! While I'm clear on the Kolkatta/improved Delhi DDGs I'm a bit confused on the AAW FFGs you mention. Do you refer to the P17 / evolved design of the Russian Krivak-III ?
With newer AAW reaching the fleet it might be a good time to start deleting the old Kashin with their SA-N-1 (or update the ships taking the obsolete SAM out).
cheers
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