hey gf,does australia have any concrete plans for berthing its vessels in indian territorial waters (that is the use of indian naval bases and logistic support ) for continuous operation of its naval assets in the arabian sea,and also to allow indian navy to use australian berthing facilities?
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hey gf,i meant something on these lines:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ics_support_agreement/articleshow/2203609.cms
NEW DELHI: India and the US are close to signing an agreement under which their armed forces will provide each other logistics support on a reciprocal basis even as New Delhi may bid to buy another American amphibious warship.
A logistics support agreement is in the final stages, said top Pentagon officials now on a visit to the country. They also said that Washington had offered the giant landing ship, USS Nashwill, to the Indian Navy.
"We have put the offer to the Indian Navy," Lt Gen Jeffrey B Kohler, director of the Defence Security Cooperation Agency in the US defence department told reporters. The amphibious warship is of the same class as the 17,000-tonne USS Trenton that was bought by the Indian Navy.
Referring to the logistics support agreement, Kohler said the accord had been put up to the Cabinet Committee on Security. The Americans usually describe such a pact as an "acquisition and cross-services" agreement.
It was listed as a logistics support agreement at the suggestion of India, he said.
"The agreement will ease joint operations by the armed forces of the two countries during exercises and in coming to the aid of people struck by natural calamities," Kohler said, making it clear that the accord did not in any way imply the stockpiling of weapons on each other's soil.
"The armed forces of the two countries are having frequent interactions and face immense difficulties by way of fuel supplies and other logistics. With such an agreement in place, it would ease things for both militaries," he said.
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after the mohd HANEEF incident , the chances of indo-australian co-operation is pretty slim.
john howard has said that india is nothing more than a trading partner
hence, u wil se operation only in trade, which will further widen india's already huge trade-deficit.
also u must remember that australia has scaled down the presence of australian navy participating in the wargames to be held of the coast of bay-of-bengal.
the rapid islamisation of india could be a major reason why australia would like to keep a safe distance from india.
afterall an islamic india is of nobody's best interest.
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after the mohd HANEEF incident , the chances of indo-australian co-operation is pretty slim.
john howard has said that india is nothing more than a trading partner
hence, u wil se operation only in trade, which will further widen india's already huge trade-deficit.
also u must remember that australia has scaled down the presence of australian navy participating in the wargames to be held of the coast of bay-of-bengal.
the rapid islamisation of india could be a major reason why australia would like to keep a safe distance from india.
afterall an islamic india is of nobody's best interest.
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hey guys,great news here ,italy is manufacturing oceanographic research vessels for the indian navy (most probably as a replacement to the sagar dhwani).
here check out this link and article:
Oceanographic Ship for India Launched at
(Source: Fincantieri; issued July 9, 2007)
Italy --- Today at Fincantieri’s Muggiano shipyard (La Spezia) there was the launch of the “Sagar Nidhi” (“Pearl of the Oceans”), an oceanographic vessel ordered for the National Institute of Ocean Technology (NIOT), Madras. Present at the ceremony were the Indian Minister for Science and Technology and Earth Sciences, Kapil Sibal, and the Undersecretary Right Honourable Lorenzo Forcieri. Fincantieri was represented by the company’s Executive Vice President Vessel Business Unit, Giuseppe Sassi.
The 5,000-ton ship, whose aft section was built at Riva Trigoso shipyard (Genova), is 104 metres long and 18 metres wide; delivery is scheduled for next autumn. The vessel will constitute a cutting edge reference point for the study of the marine environment as it will be possible to work in all theatres of operation, including tropical and polar environments. Equipped with the latest technology for scientific studies, the ship will be used for oceanographic and hydrographic research, including water, ice and core sampling of the sea bed. From on board it will also be possible to manage ROVs (Remotely Operated Vehicles) and AUVs (Autonomous Underwater Vehicles) at a distance.
The ship is built to the highest national and international standards regarding the environment and safety on board, in order to be awarded the maximum class provided under the regulations of the naval registers of India – IRS - and Norway - Det Norske Veritas.
To this regard one important issue was the containment of vibrations and noise levels and here Fincantieri has been able to implement innovative solutions by drawing on the experience gained in the construction of submarines. Moreover, during the construction process due attention was given to reliability requirements plant maintenance criteria.
This ship, the first that Fincantieri has built for the Indian market, confirms that the company has good relations with the nation, following on from the two contracts signed in 2004 with Cochin shipyard relating to the design of the engine of the new aircraft carrier for the Indian Navy and to responsibility for its integration.
In order to follow its activities in India and further strengthen its commercial relations, Finacantieri has opened a permanent office in New Delhi.
here check out this link and article:
Oceanographic Ship for India Launched at
(Source: Fincantieri; issued July 9, 2007)
Italy --- Today at Fincantieri’s Muggiano shipyard (La Spezia) there was the launch of the “Sagar Nidhi” (“Pearl of the Oceans”), an oceanographic vessel ordered for the National Institute of Ocean Technology (NIOT), Madras. Present at the ceremony were the Indian Minister for Science and Technology and Earth Sciences, Kapil Sibal, and the Undersecretary Right Honourable Lorenzo Forcieri. Fincantieri was represented by the company’s Executive Vice President Vessel Business Unit, Giuseppe Sassi.
The 5,000-ton ship, whose aft section was built at Riva Trigoso shipyard (Genova), is 104 metres long and 18 metres wide; delivery is scheduled for next autumn. The vessel will constitute a cutting edge reference point for the study of the marine environment as it will be possible to work in all theatres of operation, including tropical and polar environments. Equipped with the latest technology for scientific studies, the ship will be used for oceanographic and hydrographic research, including water, ice and core sampling of the sea bed. From on board it will also be possible to manage ROVs (Remotely Operated Vehicles) and AUVs (Autonomous Underwater Vehicles) at a distance.
The ship is built to the highest national and international standards regarding the environment and safety on board, in order to be awarded the maximum class provided under the regulations of the naval registers of India – IRS - and Norway - Det Norske Veritas.
To this regard one important issue was the containment of vibrations and noise levels and here Fincantieri has been able to implement innovative solutions by drawing on the experience gained in the construction of submarines. Moreover, during the construction process due attention was given to reliability requirements plant maintenance criteria.
This ship, the first that Fincantieri has built for the Indian market, confirms that the company has good relations with the nation, following on from the two contracts signed in 2004 with Cochin shipyard relating to the design of the engine of the new aircraft carrier for the Indian Navy and to responsibility for its integration.
In order to follow its activities in India and further strengthen its commercial relations, Finacantieri has opened a permanent office in New Delhi.
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there is no danger of islamisation of india ,india and australia have signed an agreement for the sharing of millitary intelligence and information ,also the frequency of indian navies port calls to australia and vice versa is on the increase,australi is also to participate in the indian naval excercises the malabar.
sorry, thats absolute rubbish.
the indian-australian negotiations have been developing over the last 12 months - I've mentioned this long ago well before it became public about the US, Japan, Australia, India link up.
even when the Fiji crisis was on, India insisted on maintaining australian diplomatic links - and I know this forst hand as it was one of my relatives. He was posted to New Delhi for over 5 years.
the issue of tech transfer on systems technology is always ab issue for both countries - australian companies dealing with weapons tech are cleared to facilitate sales as long as the potential buyer is not on the DFAT "Hostiles List" (which is not public domain info - but India is not on that list)
The issue then for tech transfer is between the private company and the buyer. Considering that we don't share all our tech with even the US ( *metalstorm core tech and the sig mgt core tech being prime examples), then I can't see the private entities shifting their position.
Its got nothing to do with Govt decisions at that stage - its an issue of commercial protection and has nothing to do with country relationships. The Govt cannot direct an private company to share technology if it does not want to. We do however export modified versions of that tech to our allies. There are 2 other countries that have acquired the export version.
India does not want the export version, they want the RAN version. That won't happen (due to all the reasons outlined above)
India has purchased different australian tech already over the last 5 years, but as its not public domain knowledge, then I guess they aren't keen on advertising what they have bought.
Haneef will not have any impact on Govt to Govt relationships - and the Indian Govt is well aware of why Haneef is still in custody.
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Haneef was granted bail TODAY, by a Magistrate infamous for her leniency so that issue has been put to bed.
As to slim chances of Australia - India co-operation, tell that to the crew of HMAS Adelaide who are going to India next month for a series of exercises...
This was posted on Australia's DoD website today...
Dr Nelson:
Thank you very much all of you for coming along here today. As you know, I am Brendan Nelson. I am Australia’s Minister for Defence and I am visiting India specifically to discuss a number of issues with Minister Antony, and also Minister Mukherjee and others, as far as Australia’s defence and security relationship is concerned. The purpose of the visit is – Australia considers its relationship with India to be extremely important, in a general sense and also specifically increasingly in defence and security.
Last year, our Prime Minister signed with the Indian Prime Minister a memorandum of understanding on defence and security and the purpose of my visit is to see that we give increased momentum to that agreement. And today, we have signed an information sharing arrangement, which enable India and Australia within a legal framework to exchange key information in a range of areas such as maritime surveillance, counter- terrorism, counter-insurgency, peacekeeping and our assessments of fragile states and other things.
We are also increasing our level of senior engagement at a military level with India. Australia will, for the first time, be participating in a naval exercise in the Bay of Bengal in September this year with Japan, Singapore, United States and India. We also have had our first senior air force-to-air force meeting. I have also advised my Indian counterparts that we will be increasing the rate of exchanges between our key military personnel and I also want to ensure that Australia and India come increasingly closer together in cooperating in maritime security, particularly in the Indian Ocean and we welcome also India’s increasing look toward East Asia and interest in security in the Asia-Pacific region.
I would also like to make some other comments about another matter before I take any questions from you. I am a physician; a medical practitioner by training. I am also a former President of the Australian Medical Association. At the moment, there are issues which involve the detention of an Indian doctor in Australia and inquiries which have been undertaken in relation to matters involving terrorist attacks in Glasgow and London. Apart from the doctor who has been detained, a number of other Indian doctors have been interviewed in relation to those incidents. I want to say as an senior Australian Government minister, as a former President of the Australian Medical Association, and an Australian doctor that Australia’s healthcare system is of very high standard that it is today, in no small way, because of the hard work, determination, professionalism and sacrifices of Indian doctors who have come to our country over the last century. Particularly after the end of World War II, Indian doctors made a key contribution to improving our standards of medical practice, in driving changes in leadership in our learned colleges and providing health care services – particularly in regional and rural parts of Australia. There are currently more than 156,000 Indians who live in Australia and Indians have made, and continue to make, a key contribution to the modern Australia, which is outward looking, competitive and compassionate.
On matters that the Australian Federal Police are investigating in cooperation with British, Indian and other authorities, it needs to be emphasised that our concerns relate to terrorists’ behaviour. It is not the political or cultural or religious clothes that it may wear, and we assume innocence until proven otherwise in all of these matters. I am also advised that the Australian Federal Police are working cooperatively and will work cooperatively with the Indian authorities and respectfully through the Indian processes. And again it needs to be emphasised that there should be and is a presumption of innocence until proven otherwise in this and all similar cases.
I am very happy to take questions.
Question:
You talked about the naval exercises in the Bay of Bengal in September. Is it a quadrilateral exercise? Is Australia also participating …?
Dr Nelson:
Yes, Australia for the first time will participate in the naval exercise. We will be sending one of our FFGs – one of our frigates – HMAS Adelaide and what we want to do as we go forward into the future is to develop our exercising in a number of areas which are appropriate to our joint relationship and our mutual interest, and naval exercise and naval engagement is arguably the most important. India has an enormous amount of experience, not only as having a significant and highly capable, extremely well-trained navy, but India also has a great deal of experience in dealing with counter- insurgency, counter- terrorism and peace-keeping and of course our two nations have served side by side in a number of theatres over the last century as well.
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Whoops,
Mr Haneef has now had his visa revoked, so now he's back in custody...
Now it's getting farcical...
Mr Haneef has now had his visa revoked, so now he's back in custody...
Now it's getting farcical...
bad news Trenton been delayed and suffered cost overruns
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/...2007071559951200.htm&date=2007/07/15/&prd=th&
Sandeep Dikshit
NEW DELHI: The problem of cost and time overruns has also affected an American ship, INS Jalashwa (formerly USS Trenton), being sold to India.
The cost of the ship has increased by over 10 per cent and its delivery schedule extended because there was “more work than anticipated,” said senior U.S. military officers here on Saturday. They were here to “understand” Indian requirements for military hardware over the next five years.
The same problem is believed to have affected Russian aircraft Admiral Gorshkov (INS Vikramaditya) which would take two extra years to complete.
The cost of the ship had increased from $ 48.3 million to $ 53.5 million partly because “we did not know each other’s standards” and some work that was not in the original contract document.
Amphibious ship
Nevertheless, the giant 30-year-old amphibious ship has been refurbished to ensure several years of operation, said Rear Admiral Jeffrey Wiering, in-charge of international relationships of the US Navy,who is due to take over from Lt. Gen. Jeffrey Kohler as the chief of the Pentagon’s Defence Security Cooperation Agency.
USS Nashwill
The two U.S. military officers also revealed that Washington wanted to sell USS Nashwill, another ship of the same class and design to India, the offer for which would be put to the US Congress for approval next year provided a positive response is forthcoming from the Indian Navy.
The officers did not foresee time and cost overruns in the transfer of this ship due to the better understanding of each other’s processes.
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/...2007071559951200.htm&date=2007/07/15/&prd=th&
Sandeep Dikshit
NEW DELHI: The problem of cost and time overruns has also affected an American ship, INS Jalashwa (formerly USS Trenton), being sold to India.
The cost of the ship has increased by over 10 per cent and its delivery schedule extended because there was “more work than anticipated,” said senior U.S. military officers here on Saturday. They were here to “understand” Indian requirements for military hardware over the next five years.
The same problem is believed to have affected Russian aircraft Admiral Gorshkov (INS Vikramaditya) which would take two extra years to complete.
The cost of the ship had increased from $ 48.3 million to $ 53.5 million partly because “we did not know each other’s standards” and some work that was not in the original contract document.
Amphibious ship
Nevertheless, the giant 30-year-old amphibious ship has been refurbished to ensure several years of operation, said Rear Admiral Jeffrey Wiering, in-charge of international relationships of the US Navy,who is due to take over from Lt. Gen. Jeffrey Kohler as the chief of the Pentagon’s Defence Security Cooperation Agency.
USS Nashwill
The two U.S. military officers also revealed that Washington wanted to sell USS Nashwill, another ship of the same class and design to India, the offer for which would be put to the US Congress for approval next year provided a positive response is forthcoming from the Indian Navy.
The officers did not foresee time and cost overruns in the transfer of this ship due to the better understanding of each other’s processes.
Has anyone else been baffled by the Indian press references to USS "Nashwill"? It wasn't until I saw a reference to USS Nashville that I realised what ship was meant.
I know, I could have looked up a list of USN LPDs & worked it out, but I couldn't be arsed.
Has anyone else been baffled by the Indian press references to USS "Nashwill"? It wasn't until I saw a reference to USS Nashville that I realised what ship was meant.
I know, I could have looked up a list of USN LPDs & worked it out, but I couldn't be arsed.
What's your opinion about usefullness of a second Austin class LPD to Indian Navy? Any estimates of yearly operating costs? Is IN better of spending more upfront on newer ones from Europe?
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Hey Troll, could you post any evidence to support your claim that AUstralia has 'Scaled Down' Australian Navy participation in the Multi-nation Naval wargames?
I think it is smart. India doesn't have any amphibious ships of the kind right now so they are making what I would call a smart investment to determine the capabilities of the platform, and how they fit into the Indian Navy. I think it is smart of them to gain experience on the cheap rather than trying to break out into the capability under an expensive contract.
In the end, for around $150 million US, India will end up with 2 ships that will give them about 10-15 solid years, if not more, of experience to determine how to move forward in amphibious capabilities, including the specific functionality that best fits the requirements of the Indian Navy. The Austin class LPDs, with a large flight deck and well deck, gives India an excellent CONOP development platform to weigh the various aspects of amphibious warfare cheaper than any other options out there.
Think about it, if you are a growing Navy and could get into amphibious warfare for only $10 million US a year for 15 years to develop procedures, logistics, and CONOP wouldn't you jump at the investment?
have you seen any recent pictures of Nashville it looks much tireder than Trenton.
it seems perfect way to get LPDs on the cheap as the USN it decommising two classes of LPD as the San Antonia's are coming on line which gives a perfect opportunities to get LPD.
is turkey interested in any of Austins as they tend to buy US and they have an interest in perchesing a LPD.
I haven't heard anything about LCAC.
All I know is IN is buying 6 Sea King helicopters along with Trenton.
Galharn,
Thanks for the info. Considering that INS Jalshva will be stationed on India's eatern seaboard, IN may well use USS Nashville on Arabian sea.
Ya the Nashville needs a paint job, but overall it isn't in that bad of shape. She can go 15 more years if given a refit for it.
Uhm, but the San Antonio's are no where close to coming online, they got some serious issues, and we are unlikely to see a LPD-17 class deployment until 2009 at least at this point.
Turkey appears interested in the Dokdo class.
ah thanks
I know about that very sorry tale of the LPD-17 huge delays huge cost overruns and one unsafe broken ship and delayed class with huge problems.
so Nashville is mechanically sound just in need of a refit
hey guys,gret news here,indian navy has activated its first listening post in madagaskar.
here check out this link and article:
http://www.indianexpress.com/story/205416.html
New Delhi, July 17: India has activated its first listening post on foreign soil that will keep an eye on ship movements in the Indian Ocean. A key monitoring station in northern Madagascar, complete with radars and surveillance gear to intercept maritime communication, was quietly made operational earlier this month as part of Indian Navy’s strategy to protect the country’s sea lanes of commerce.
The monitoring station, under construction since last year when India took on a lease from Antananarivo, will link up with similar naval facilities in Kochi and Mumbai to gather intelligence on foreign navies operating in the region. “A naval asset with limited anchoring facilities has been activated. It will facilitate possible manoeuvres by the navy in the region,” a ministry official said.
While the station will also monitor piracy and terrorist activities, its primary aim is to counter the growing Chinese influence in the Indian Ocean Region. The station is India’s first in southern Indian Ocean that is gaining importance due to increasing oil traffic across the Cape of Good Hope and the Mozambique Channel route preferred by super tankers.
The US already has a permanent military base with aerial assets and monitoring facilities in Diego Garcia, 1,400 nautical miles north-east of the Madagascar facility.
India is looking at developing another monitoring facility at an atoll it has leased from Mauritius in the near future. While the ministry remains silent, sources say some forward movement has recently been made on the project.
“With berthing rights in Oman and monitoring stations in Madagascar, Mauritius, Kochi and Mumbai, the navy will effectively box in the region to protect sea lanes right from Mozambique and the Cape of Good Hope to the Gulf of Oman,” an official said. The navy has already made its presence felt along the African coast with regular warships deployments to monitor piracy and terrorist movements. India also inked an agreement with Mozambique last year to mount periodical maritime patrolling off its vast coast. In 2003, the Indian navy provided seaward protection for the African Union summit at Mozambique.
here check out this link and article:
http://www.indianexpress.com/story/205416.html
New Delhi, July 17: India has activated its first listening post on foreign soil that will keep an eye on ship movements in the Indian Ocean. A key monitoring station in northern Madagascar, complete with radars and surveillance gear to intercept maritime communication, was quietly made operational earlier this month as part of Indian Navy’s strategy to protect the country’s sea lanes of commerce.
The monitoring station, under construction since last year when India took on a lease from Antananarivo, will link up with similar naval facilities in Kochi and Mumbai to gather intelligence on foreign navies operating in the region. “A naval asset with limited anchoring facilities has been activated. It will facilitate possible manoeuvres by the navy in the region,” a ministry official said.
While the station will also monitor piracy and terrorist activities, its primary aim is to counter the growing Chinese influence in the Indian Ocean Region. The station is India’s first in southern Indian Ocean that is gaining importance due to increasing oil traffic across the Cape of Good Hope and the Mozambique Channel route preferred by super tankers.
The US already has a permanent military base with aerial assets and monitoring facilities in Diego Garcia, 1,400 nautical miles north-east of the Madagascar facility.
India is looking at developing another monitoring facility at an atoll it has leased from Mauritius in the near future. While the ministry remains silent, sources say some forward movement has recently been made on the project.
“With berthing rights in Oman and monitoring stations in Madagascar, Mauritius, Kochi and Mumbai, the navy will effectively box in the region to protect sea lanes right from Mozambique and the Cape of Good Hope to the Gulf of Oman,” an official said. The navy has already made its presence felt along the African coast with regular warships deployments to monitor piracy and terrorist movements. India also inked an agreement with Mozambique last year to mount periodical maritime patrolling off its vast coast. In 2003, the Indian navy provided seaward protection for the African Union summit at Mozambique.
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