who can kill a modern Main Battle Tank (MBT)?
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by the way can someone tell me how exactly does an applique armour function in the protecting the under side of a heavy main battle tank,also can a couple of 25 kg claymore mines detonatedi n a pile under a battle tank track cause enough damage to destroy the tank and kill its crew.
Grand Danois
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That is what this thread is about, right...?Ah again there it is.
The wonder weapon against a M1A2SEP. :nutkick
Claymores are very specialised antipersonel mines. There are much better options than that.
Pursuit Curve
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Claymore mines do not weigh 25 kg, and if that is what you would use to take on a tank....well, I leave it up to your imagination!
What do you want to hear?
Against well performed mine cicles a tank brigade has many problems as long as these minefields are secured by a potent AT and infantry force.
That is nothing new.
It is a very important part of our combined arms doctrine.
But just remember.
The rebells just don't need to kill some tanks on lonely patrols...
Often enough this thread looks like a "I am able to cripple the mighty M1A2SEP" thread.
@Grand Danois
I really like your kind of posts even if it comes to mud battles like in this thread.
Denmark is much nearer to me than most of germany these days.
Against well performed mine cicles a tank brigade has many problems as long as these minefields are secured by a potent AT and infantry force.
That is nothing new.
It is a very important part of our combined arms doctrine.
But just remember.
The rebells just don't need to kill some tanks on lonely patrols...
Often enough this thread looks like a "I am able to cripple the mighty M1A2SEP" thread.
@Grand Danois
I really like your kind of posts even if it comes to mud battles like in this thread.
Denmark is much nearer to me than most of germany these days.
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Grand Danois
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So, you've got your mittens on a Danish girlfriend (or what) ?@Grand Danois
I really like your kind of posts even if it comes to mud battles like in this thread.
Denmark is much nearer to me than most of germany these days.
Pursuit Curve
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What do you want to hear?
Against well performed mine cicles a tank brigade has many problems as long as these minefields are secured by a potent AT and infantry force.
That is nothing new.
It is a very important part of our combined arms doctrine.
But just remember.
The rebells just don't need to kill some tanks on lonely patrols...
Often enough this thread looks like a "I am able to cripple the mighty M1A2SEP" thread.
@Grand Danois
I really like your kind of posts even if it comes to mud battles like in this thread.
Denmark is much nearer to me than most of germany these days.
Yeah, I know, there are many what ifs on this thread, maybe we should start a new thread called "Who can Kill the Who can Kill an Abrams Thread" !!
A gentleman never speakes about his wifes!
But to be serious demark is much nearer to than bavaria in terms of kilometers and thinking.
Kiel is not that far away from denmark and I do more like the danish way of live than the sothern german one.
Not to talk of the sister unit of my btl. Mad drinkers but nice tankmen!
Grand Danois
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I thought the Bavarians were mad drinkers too. Oktoberfest and all that.
Fascinating that you like our lifestyle.
Cheers
Fascinating that you like our lifestyle.
Cheers
For sure they know how to make beer but they are too conservative.
Too many small villages with too many old school persons.
The north of germany is much more liberale than the south.
If Bavaria could vote for the future of germany the german wall would rise again and we would be much less liberale than before.
I really like the way of living in denmark but your beer is too expensive.
Carlsberg tastes good but your taxes on alcohol are ludicrous
Too many small villages with too many old school persons.
The north of germany is much more liberale than the south.
If Bavaria could vote for the future of germany the german wall would rise again and we would be much less liberale than before.
I really like the way of living in denmark but your beer is too expensive.
Carlsberg tastes good but your taxes on alcohol are ludicrous
Grand Danois
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Yes, beer is too expensive. Carlsberg is good, but if you get the chance you should try out the beers from some of the microbreweries. Now, that's good beer.
The taxes on liqour are heavy, but then again much less than in Sweden! Anyway, I do mostly in single malts, which means taxes does not make up for most of the price.
Another positive thing is that we have good taste in tanks.
The taxes on liqour are heavy, but then again much less than in Sweden! Anyway, I do mostly in single malts, which means taxes does not make up for most of the price.
Another positive thing is that we have good taste in tanks.
Interesting observation. From all my dealings with germans and danes (and I have a german based business associate so I get there quite a bit) I would have said that danes are far more like middle to northern germans. (ie north of hanover/ladenburg/mannheim line...)
A gentleman never speakes about his wifes!
But to be serious demark is much nearer to than bavaria in terms of kilometers and thinking.
Kiel is not that far away from denmark and I do more like the danish way of live than the sothern german one.
Not to talk of the sister unit of my btl. Mad drinkers but nice tankmen!
danes are far more relaxed and friendly than southern germans IMV.
funnily enough, my business partner jokingly refers to danes as nth western germans, one of my danish associates referred to germans as south eastern danes.
maybe I'm meeting the wrong germans....
TOW, Hellfires, Dragons...
It is more correct to differentiate T-72-s, as the are of many tipes.
The above mantioned T-72-s of Iraq, which were velnurable to most end 80-th era ATGM/rounds is 70-th technology. And it is no surprase it is destroyed by modern ammunition of that time.
But after that the T-72 changed serveral , modification - T-72, T-72A, T-72B (it has 3 different passive armour upgrades without changing the designation), T-72BM, T-72BU (later a early version of T-90 with cast turret), T-90A (version with welded new turret).
The protection from basic variant improoved about 3 times.
BTW, T-72 (basic version can not be penetrated by Dragon and basic TOW missile).
On the photo below - a T-72 of Iraqi army hit by dragon, it was painted after hit, the hole, without penetration ramained on the turret. Later tha tank was captured and scraped.
DoC_FouALieR
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Must be the first version of TOW missile, with a single shaped charge.
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Moreover, on the example of the last Israel compaign we can see what supposely most protected between western tanks - Merkava 4 - is also vulnerable to same 70-80x ATGM's - Fagot, TOW, Konkurs, etc. I wouldnt bet what M1A2 fare any better in these conditions. Any modern tank have weakened zones, and most western tanks have smaller arc of "best" protection when russian T-style tanks. Besides, the original Abrams - M1 - was hardly better armor protected when same era T-72. Again, i wouldnt drive any conclusion relating current M1A2HE on that basis.
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