Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for? [Recent F-16 deal news, etc]

Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for?

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Oqaab

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Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for ????

According to some reports, India has grounded all Su-30MKI coz its engines didnt perform well but Indian officials are saying that IAF hasnt grounded any of its Sukhoi jet.

If Su-30MKI are still serving for IAF, which aircraft do u ppl think PAF should opt for.

Rafale Cost 50 million
Gripen Cost 35 million
Typhoon Cost ~80 million
J-10 Cost 25 million (still unconfirmed)
Mirage 2000-5 Cost 45 million
F-16s Cost 26.9 million (block 60)

What do u think ????
Need sencible replies plzzz.
Thanx
 
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ullu

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Well, lets see....

Rafale Cost 50 million < HELL NO! >
Gripen Cost 35 million < Good plane but expensive... >
Typhoon Cost ~80 million <Nice choice but very expensive, no >
J-10 Cost 25 million (still unconfirmed) <This is an OKAY choice but depends on if we get it... chinese are very cautious and secrative about it>
Mirage 2000-5 Cost 45 million < :hitwall I don't know I guess this is it when we have no other choice >
F-16s Cost 26.9 million (block 60) < Uncle wouldn't give it to us, bad bad bad uncle! >
 
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Winter

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Pakistan was going to buy some F-16s a year or two ago but it was blocked by sanctions or something....Meanwhile the new U.S. $3 billion aid grant to Pakistan has led to half a dozen C-130s hasn't it?...
 
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Oqaab

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About options.

Rafale Cost 50 million

Rafale is a low-cost stealth aircraft which was made when french air force rejected Typhoon coz of its heavy weight. France might sell this aircraft at a cost of more then 75 million/unit coz at the same time, Typhoon will be available in the market.

Gripen Cost 35 million

Sweden claims gripen is more advanced then the F-16s block 60. Its range is the weak point. But a good BVR attack capability and a low cost aircraft. Its future program includes a more powerful engine and some other modifications. A good option for PAF.

Typhoon Cost ~80 million

A good aircraft with stealth capability, but Typhoon may not get much sales coz of Rafale. Its engines gives 40,000 lbs of thrust and moveable canards are installed to make the aircraft more manouvrable. PAF is taking interest in this aircraft but I m sure this aircraft will not be purchased due to problem of funds.

J-10 Cost 25 million (still unconfirmed)

The price of this aircraft is expected to be around 25 million but Chinese media is still silent about it. J-10, armed with python 4 and SD-10 missiles will prove to be the backbone of PLAAF. If its price is between 25-30 million/unit, then it is the best option for PAF but it will not be available for next 3-4 years.

Mirage 2000-5 Cost 45 million

Keeping in view its capabilities, it is not a good option for PAF coz PAF is giving 50 million for each mirage 2000-5. Although the aircraft is available to PAF, but PAF hasnt placed order yet due to lack of funds. But there isnt any aircraft available to PAF now, except Mirage 2000-5. According to some rumours, PAF will get a more capable variant of Mirage 2000-5 for which it is giving 50 million. So, for the time being, PAF should stick with these aircrafts.

F-16s Cost 26.9 million (block 60)

A good option for PAF but PAF will not be able to aquire these due to political situations and nuclear capability. But USAF is currently operating ~2000 F-16s and there are some chances of getting used F-16s when USAF will ber replacing these with 2500 JSFs.
 
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adnan

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india wallo remember one thing that dont see the quantity of air craft in
paf u see just how they have shaheen sift gavan .we enugh for u
 
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kem eng

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Re: Who would sell pakistan NEW fighter jets???

i agree, pakistan should ask china and france for jet fighters. i think they should go for the rafeale or the j-10
 
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razhas

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Assalam o alaekum everybody

I am a new comer to this forum....or more precisely even to any of the defencetalk forums .............

I have read this sort of discussion, i.e. regarding the US or some other “big gun(dd)†supplying or approving this kind of military hardware or of that kind to India or to Pakistan or etc etc , many a times both at your forums or at pakistanidefence forums...........

many of my brothers really seem pretty worried at what the US or some other “big gun(dd)†might do or might not do..........well neither the US nor the touts backed by the US are gods.......... and al -hamdolillah we as muslims do not believe in any such "gods'............


as far as the military strategy and tactic is concerned ............ in the absence of an early warning system, our forces may look vulnerable...... but then there are means and ways to convert your weaknesses into strengths................. and above all making best use of your own strong points........that’s what makes good soldiers the best........

and the best virtue of it all is the desire for shahadat and no fear of death of kith and kin or even own........ no matter "they" have advanced planes with greater BVR capability and operational range and reach........... no matter they have planes in greater numbers...... no matter they have awacs................ just like what Shamael has suggested…….e.g. if two or four or six or ten of our ghazis in the formation attain the status of shaheeds while providing cover for the third or fifth or seventh or eleventh shaheen ghazi who strikes right in the heart of the enemy .........and no matter after doing so also attains shahdat........... then the only thing the enemy will remember next time he tries to go up in the air, is that he will not be able to return to his base no matter how advanced or "stealthy" a plane he is flying.......... and if anybody really knows anything about fighting a war, then a jittery soldier is the last thing that an armed force would like to have in its ranks..........


and i would also like to register my utter disgust regarding the views of some .......... these views portray china as a very low profile backward and technologically poor country from whose military hardware and technology Pakistan should distance itself or should not regard as first class...........

first of all if you say or even think about your benefactor in such a manner then not only will you disgrace yourself as an ungrateful and uncivilized nation , but will also invite ALLAH's wrath upon yourself, as he does not like the ppl who would not respect and regard their benefactors.........

and only if such ppl have been looking at the history of china in the distant and recent past (particularly in the 20th century as it is relatively well documented) then it will become as clear as it could be that china has always been a center of cultural as well as technological prowess and also a nation with dignified stance………………and at times despite having relatively inferior or no matching technology or ability, have very well defended itself and held its head high…………………..no wonder we do not pay much attention to our own religion………according to a very famous hadeeth demonstrating the importance of “Ilmâ€, china is mentioned as a destination for the seekers of “Ilm†…………….and as we all know if it were to be the “ Ilm ad Deen†or knowledge of the religion then there was no Islam in China on the advent of ISalm in Arabia………………..


So my dear friends and brothers…………………….. hold your heads high in front of the foe and bowed in front of the God ALMIGHTY ALLAH subhan wa taalaa and just keep your faith only and only in him and be nice and loving to the benefactors he has provided us with………….


.....ghairat baree hai cheez jahaan e tag o dau mein.................... (iqbal (R.A))


....sher kee aik din kee zindagee geedar kee sau sala zindagee say behtar hai......(tipu sultan (R.A))


.....Down with the USA ...the dajjal of our times...........
 
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Oqaab

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Another option is that we should upgrade our JF-17s to J-10 standards. But this will take a lot of time and money.
 
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ullu

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Pakistan isn't dreaming about becoming world power so it needs minimal deterance to keep regional bullies like india in check. Jf-17 and maybe J-10 in the future would do the job... if pak can get eurofighter or some western jet-it would only help.
 
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wzhtg

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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for ????

Mirage 2000-5

Quite a good choice. Has about same capabilities as F-16. French also more willing to sell.

Gripen

Great swedish product. Can match F-16. Nice price too would be a good choic.

J-10

I say the best in terms of cost. Problem, paki might only get it after a few years as china needs to produce the planes for itself first.


Rank
1.Gripen
2.J-10
3.Mirage


Rafael and eurofighter way too expensive for pakistan.
 
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Winter

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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for ????

I agree with wzhtg....Possible OPFOR India operates some Mirages don't they?
 
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Oqaab

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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for ????

Gripen is the least capable 4th generation fighter if we compare it with latest 4th generation fighters. Also, sweden might have problems in selling this aircraft to Pakistan coz Gripen uses many US origin components including the engine. J-10 is the better option to Pakistan but it will take time.
 
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Black Mamba

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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for ????

speaking of aircrafts, which attack helicopter should pakistan opt for?
is the Cobra pakistan's best option?
y not some other source?
 
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Winter

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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for ????

Politics, and of course, capability of design. Mostly the former...Availability isn't as much a factor. :roll
 
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Black Mamba

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Re: Which Aircraft Should PAF opt for ????

ya but what kind of politics will v b having with the south africans or the italians?
they have a couple of capable helis don't they?
 
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