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Volkodav

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Wouldn’t think so; they’re only popular here so far as they create jobs in Australia (and WA in particular) and Austal US doesn’t do that. Imagine either they put in the best value for money offer or they are thereabouts and are in a favoured location with influential members of Congress.
The first rumblings I heard about Austal was from marine surveyors from the US, they were an unassailable golden child here.

A lot of what they did on LCS was questionable, very much aiming at milestones without doing the whole job, i.e. no $$$ to do something it didn't happen, even if it was contacted or assumed.

I then began working with them and saw the same here. It was all about meeting milestones, with no consideration given to quality or even ensuring the fitness of the design.

They operate in a very similar way to many Chinese suppliers, you get what you asked for, not what you wanted or needed.
 

Ananda

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Sorry for poor image, I don't bring my DSLR camera, only my Android phone. This is picture of USS Ronald Reagan taking from Sanur beach in Bali. Coincidence I also only couple days ago begin my week long vacation in Bali.

Seems it's being escort by one Aegis Cruiser, but bit father away for me to take any reasonable pictures.


One of Indonesian defense enthusiasts twitter, shown USN pictures. Turnout what I saw shadowing USS Ronald Reagen is USS Antietam.
 
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spoz

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That’s Australian usage. Other practices may vary…….

Is it the visit visit of an LCS to GI?
 

DDG38

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Excuse the ignoranance on this but I thought it wouldn't be USS until after it was commissioned. Dont we refer to not yet commissioned ships as NUSHIP?
She had already technically commissioned in the US, this was a ceremonial commissioning. In the USN they use the desig PCU (pre commissioning unit).
 

Bob53

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Does anyone know how thick the hull is on a Ford and Nimitz class carrier and how they would cope with a heavy weight torpedo?
 

Bob53

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I have got no idea but not sure if you know how modern Torpedoes work, instead of hitting the ship, they explode beneath the hull and the force of the explosion is meant to break the hull instead of puncturing it.
Yes I do and I’m wondering how they would lift a 100 thousand ton ship with a very thick hull. I recall when trying to sink USS American there was apparently multiple heavyweight torps put into it after it had been bombed and attacked with missiles for 4 weeks prior. Admittedly it was empty of fuel and explosives but apparently at the end they had to scuttle it. This Is The Only Photo Of A U.S. Navy Supercarrier Being Sunk (Updated)
 

Jason_DBF

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Yes I do and I’m wondering how they would lift a 100 thousand ton ship with a very thick hull. I recall when trying to sink USS American there was apparently multiple heavyweight torps put into it after it had been bombed and attacked with missiles for 4 weeks prior. Admittedly it was empty of fuel and explosives but apparently at the end they had to scuttle it. This Is The Only Photo Of A U.S. Navy Supercarrier Being Sunk (Updated)
You don't need to sink a CVN to take it out of the fight. If the carrier is damaged from the Torpedo it might not be able to launch aircraft due to insufficient speed.
 

StingrayOZ

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Does anyone know how thick the hull is on a Ford and Nimitz class carrier and how they would cope with a heavy weight torpedo?
Its thick. There are some unsourced figures saying up to 100-250mm plate thick in some parts. And its doubled hulled, with many watertight compartments. They are ruggedly built as large military capital ships with long, hard lives ahead of them, where significant cost such that saving weight or money on plate thickness makes no sense. But its more of the structure than just plate thickness, they are designed to handle large fires which can and do happen on carriers. They are also designed to handle large forces, like planes crashing into them and wind and other loads from such a large and massive structure.

Many have figured a heavy weight torpedo might damage a rudder or propeller or drive shaft, and perhaps penetrate the outer hull and damage it, but is unlikely to break a ship of that size and that kind of construction in half. That is not what a mk48 with a ~290kg warhead is designed for.

The soviets never planned to hit a carrier with just a single torpedo from a SSN to take it out, if they did, they would have never needed their heavy cruisers. The Chinese are not promoting the idea that they could take out a carrier with a single SSN and a single torpedo.

The other issue is of course is the thing is moving at 30kts, surrounded by the USN, and dozens of air assets and under water assets. Even getting a realistic firing solution is tricky. Its one thing to photograph it through a periscope, its another to actually hit.

Carriers are susceptible to being mission killed. But US carriers have a tough reputation of "coming back from the dead". Less mission killed as mission compromised.
 

Redlands18

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Its thick. There are some unsourced figures saying up to 100-250mm plate thick in some parts. And its doubled hulled, with many watertight compartments. They are ruggedly built as large military capital ships with long, hard lives ahead of them, where significant cost such that saving weight or money on plate thickness makes no sense. But its more of the structure than just plate thickness, they are designed to handle large fires which can and do happen on carriers. They are also designed to handle large forces, like planes crashing into them and wind and other loads from such a large and massive structure.

Many have figured a heavy weight torpedo might damage a rudder or propeller or drive shaft, and perhaps penetrate the outer hull and damage it, but is unlikely to break a ship of that size and that kind of construction in half. That is not what a mk48 with a ~290kg warhead is designed for.

The soviets never planned to hit a carrier with just a single torpedo from a SSN to take it out, if they did, they would have never needed their heavy cruisers. The Chinese are not promoting the idea that they could take out a carrier with a single SSN and a single torpedo.

The other issue is of course is the thing is moving at 30kts, surrounded by the USN, and dozens of air assets and under water assets. Even getting a realistic firing solution is tricky. Its one thing to photograph it through a periscope, its another to actually hit.

Carriers are susceptible to being mission killed. But US carriers have a tough reputation of "coming back from the dead". Less mission killed as mission compromised.
And if you got into position to fire Torpedoes at a US Carrier, you aren't going to stop at one.
 

StingrayOZ

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And if you got into position to fire Torpedoes at a US Carrier, you aren't going to stop at one.
Not sure you will get much chance to reload, not all fish will hit, particularly in times past. You would image the Americans would throw everything they had at you.

They are rugged. If they were built like commercial ships, all flexible, they would pop drive shafts and catapults. Because they are rigid, they have to be much stronger. Margins of strength are big enough to easily allow c130 test ops. Or put a sr71 on deck.

If you compare them to ww2 ships, they have similar steel thickness as ships that were considered armoured. The design also very strong and supported..

500kg to 1000kg are going to do more bigger damage. Normal torpedos are just not going to do enough damage fast enough.
 

Bob53

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First Virginia Block 5 keel laid. I did not realise there were going to be this much larger.

Quote- The Block V submarines are larger than previous versions, with their length increased from 377 feet to 460 feet and displacement from 7,800 tons to 10,200 tons. They are the second-largest US submarines after the Ohio-class, with an added section increasing missile launch tubes from twelve to forty, tripling the capacity for short-range targets.

 

StingrayOZ

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US decommissions USS Mobile Bay.
The ship’s decommissioning comes when the US seems to be in a disadvantageous position in front of China concerning the latter’s rapidly increasing naval fleet.

However, the US Navy strives to maintain its position until new ships are ready to join the naval force. This is evident in the recent decision of the Surface Fleet Force, which extended the operational life of 4 Arleigh Burke-Class Destroyer Ships (DDG 51).

The decision is imperative to maintain the US Navy’s ‘round the clock readiness,” especially in the Indo-Pacific region coveted by China and dotted by its vessels.

Although Director of Surface Warfare, Rear Adm Fred Pyle, mentioned it was vital to extend the functional life of these vessels to maintain the size of the US naval force, it seems to be a move for buying enough time so the nine new DDG 51s and other ships can join the Navy in the next ten years.
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Mobile bay always sticks in my mind from it work with InterFET and the Indonesians apparently buzzing it.
 
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Sandhi Yudha

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USS Zumwalt (DDG-1000) has arrived at Ingalls Shipbuilding in Pascagoula MS 19 for a major 2-year modernization that will see large launch tubes for hypersonic Conventional Prompt Strike missiles replacing the two 155mm Advanced Gun Systems.

With this modification the most expensive destroyer/cruiser class ever built, will become much more usefull than today, and more on the level of a modernized Project 1144 Orlan battlecruiser.
 
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