Trumps own counter UN? The Board of Peace

[Beltrami2005]

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/22/who-is-on-trumps-gaza-board-of-peace.html

Most of bigger players from Moeslem World are engage to this mostly to bargain on Palestine and especially Gaza. Some of them already have bigger economies from most Euro Middle player (nominally) and some Euro Big player on PPP. Certaintly some of ones that control energy market. so they are not that small relevance.

Like I said it is going to be bargain on case to case base. They don't care on what Euro wants as they know the decisive player for Palestine in the end is US, thus they are bargaining with US. They are not cashing in, they are bargaining. Epecially the moeslem world players.

So let's see if other global south like China or India will come or bargain on different issue. One thing for sure most of them not coming to cashing in. They come to bargain their interest with US. The world order now more on bargaining and not 'allies' interest.




Poor Shitholes, their economy nominally closing in to Spain and Mexico and surpass Spain and Mexico on PPP base. Unless you also believe Spain and Mexico also poor 'shitholes'.

If you believe "countries" like Egypt close in to Spain or Mexico

This entire thing is a joke. No important european country joins.

And Trump is chairman for life. They pay 1 billion to be in trumps golf club.

Trump hates all spanish speaking people. He only invited his muppet Milei who is 100% dependent on Trump. And Paraguay

Countries who join that joke cant be taken seriously. Waste of tax money to enrich trump

 

[Ananda]

you believe "countries" like Egypt close in to Spain or Mexico

Turkey and Indonesia are closing in to Spain and Mexico in nominal GDP and surpassing both of them in PPP GDP. Bahrain and Qatar are above Spain and Mexico on percapita income. Are you understand economics? Learn the basic first before yapping something that you don't understand.

This entire thing is a joke. No important european country joins.

Typical thinking that still believe Euro importance is far above everyone else. Read the article first, and learn why those moeslem nations sign in. Again they don't care about Europe, as on matter of Palestine and Gaza, Euro land not matter much. US that matter and that's why they join in to bargain with US.

Perhaps you seems can not come to comprehend, there are others in the World who don't see Euro Land as important as it used to be.

 

[Beltrami2005]

Turkey and Indonesia are closing in to Spain and Mexico in nominal GDP and surpassing both of them in PPP GDP. Bahrain and Qatar are above Spain and Mexico on percapita income. Are you understand economics? Learn the basic first before yapping something that you don't understand.



Typical thinking that still believe Euro importance is far above everyone else. Read the article first, and learn why those moeslem nations sign in. Again they don't care about Europe, as on matter of Palestine and Gaza, Euro land not matter much. US that matter and that's why they join in to bargain with US.

Perhaps you seems can not come to comprehend, there are others in the World who don't see Euro Land as important as it used to be.

You understand something wrong. I absolute dont care about muslim lands and want not a single € wasted on Gaza. The only thing im interested in regarding relations with islamic countries is how we manage the deportations.

Bahrain and Qatar are microstates. Indonesia plays little to no role for us.

So im perfectly fine with muslim lands paying for gaza. If they want build Trumps hotels in Gaza im absolute fine with that. What i would no be fine with would be european money wasted on non european areas.

 

[Ananda]

You understand something wrong. I absolute dont care about muslim lands and want not a single € wasted on Gaza.

Well they don't ask money from Euroland for Gaza. Especially those gulf kingdoms who sign in on this Trump Board of Peace, can finance it them selves for Gaza if the bargain deal can be meet.

Bahrain and Qatar are microstates. Indonesia plays little to no role for us.

The feeling is mutual for the likes of Spain. Spain don't matter for most Global South, Moeslem World, and Asia.

im perfectly fine with muslim lands paying for gaza. If they want build Trumps hotels in Gaza im absolute fine with that.

That's why they are bargaining with US on Gaza and not Euro land. They now Euro land don't have any leverage on Israel and only US does. If they see Trump caving much to Israel lobby, more likely they are retreating from negotiation.

 

[Beltrami2005]

Well they don't ask money from Euroland for Gaza. Not from those who sign in on this Trump Board of Peace.



The feeling is mutual for the likes of Spain. Spain don't matter for most Global South, Moeslem World, and Asia.



That's why they are bargaining with US on Gaza and not Euro land. They now Euro land don't have any leverage on Israel and only US does. If they see Trump caving much to Israel lobby, more likely they are retreating from negotiation.

They retreat after having paid 1 billion.

Spain btw does matter alot for South and Mesoamerica.

But i dont know have we even trade with Indonesia? I dont know anything from there that we buy.

I know Indonesia buys Helicopter and Airplanes from us.

 

[Ananda]

They retreat after having paid 1 billion.

They haven't paid, cause USD 1 bio price tag is for permanent membership price, and not the price for signing in. Learn that as it is already known fact. I don't think anyone want to pay, unless they got something big from US Trump.

Clearly you don't know how Geopolitics being play on, what their bargaining, and all you can say just your hatred to Trump.

But i dont know have we even trade with Indonesia? I dont know anything from there that we buy.

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oec.world

Indonesia export USD 2.9 bio to Spain, and Spain only export USD 593 Mio to Indonesia. Learn before posting, as if not, it is clearly degrading quality of your post, just like in other threads. Other members already remind you, but seems you have not learn anything to improve your post quality.

 

[tonnyc]

@Beltrami I have no intention in getting involved in the discussion or argument or whatever, but since you asked, I will provide some info.

The two main exports Indonesia has to Spain are copper slag and palm oil. You likely won't see many items marked "Made in Indonesia", but it's likely that your electronics use our copper and likely if you got anything made by Unilever it probably uses some of our palm oil.

The two main exports Spain has to Indonesia are machinery and pharmaceuticals. Aircrafts and their spare parts are a respectable third category.

Total trade is only $2.88 billion annually, which is paltry given the size of both economies. But rather than saying "yeah, you're nobody important", I think that this means there are broad opportunities for trade and investment for both countries.

 

[Beltrami2005]

They haven't paid, cause USD 1 bio price tag is for permanent membership price, and not the price for signing in. Learn that as it is already known fact. I don't think anyone want to pay, unless they got something big from US Trump.

Clearly you don't know how Geopolitics being play on, what their bargaining, and all you can say just your hatred to Trump.



Learn

The Observatory of Economic Complexity

The world's leading data visualization tool for international trade data.

oec.world

Indonesia export USD 2.9 bio to Spain, and Spain only export USD 593 Mio to Indonesia. Learn before posting, as if not, it is clearly degrading quality of your post, just like in other threads. Other members already remind you, but seems you have not learn anything to improve your post quality.

Well over here its seen as absolute joke. There is no "bargaining". There is Trump and then there are his bootlickers. We have found out that we get what we want when threatening Trump. He has the nickname "TACO" for a reason.

Look at Greenland, first he makes max pressure believing that Europe bow but when this did not happen and Europe threatens back...he retreated.

So you have two options to deal with Trump..

1. Counter him and defend your interests

2. Boot licking

The members of Trumps new club chose option 2.

@tonnyc

I think Spain historicly always focus rather on the americas. We had historicly not much to do with SE Asia except Philippines. Trade and Relations between Spain and Indonesia is very small. You are right that in future this could be opportunity.

We have no bad relations with them either, there is simply not munch going on between our nations yet.

 

[John Fedup]

After PM Carney’s Davos speech, Trump has withdrawn his invite. Wonder which pii$$ed Trump off the most, the speech or the refusal to pay 1 billion? Regardless, accepting the invite would have been a mega domestic political liability for Carney. Nobody here gives a $hit.

 

[Beltrami2005]

After PM Carney’s Davos speech, Trump has withdrawn his invite. Wonder which pii$$ed Trump off the most, the speech or the refusal to pay 1 billion? Regardless, accepting the invite would have been a mega domestic political liability for Carney. Nobody here gives a $hit.

Same here. Its mostly mocked and seen as a pathetic trump ego show. He even is chairman for life

 

[Ananda]

Well over here its seen as absolute joke. There is no "bargaining".

You can have your own hatred to everything Trump doing, However not what Euroland or Euro Citizen opinion is going to be taken as the right one by the rest of the world.

Like the Al Jazeraaa article wrote, Euro land 'allies' not use d to be treated by US as like most of Global South being treated. Thus most of Global South know how to bargain, while the Euro and Canada Allies being lost and shock on what to do.

You can claim what you want, what matters is whether those who bargain can get preferential treatment from US Trump or has to reverse action. Btw option #1 on getting tough so far only Chinese that really doing it. As they are the only one that able to do it, not Euro land. Even them (Chinese not Euro land) later on bargaining. That means acknowledge reality of Geopolitics on Trump era. Bargaining is the game.

 

[Beltrami2005]

You can have your own hatred to everything Trump doing, However not what Euroland or Euro Citizen opinion is going to be taken as the right one by the rest of the world.

Like the Al Jazeraaa article wrote, Euro land 'allies' not use d to be treated by US as like most of Global South being treated. Thus most of Global South know how to bargain, while the Euro and Canada Allies being lost and shock on what to do.

You can claim what you want, what matters is whether those who bargain can get preferential treatment from US Trump or has to reverse action. Btw option #1 on getting tough so far only Chinese that really doing it. As they are the only one that able to do it, not Euro land. Even them (Chinese not Euro land) later on bargaining. That means acknowledge reality of Geopolitics on Trump era. Bargaining is the game.

We forced Trump to retreat his crazy demands to take Greenland. Thats the difference to global south amigo.

We can hurt the US. We dont need to bargain.

Europe threatend massivs tariffs on USA plus soldout of american papers which would bancrupt the US. Result was a complete retreat from Trump.

https://www.courthousenews.com/europe-claims-victory-as-trump-blinks-on-greenland-tariffs/

We dont bargain. We defend our interests.

We arent on a indonesia banana market.

As i said Trumps loser club is completly mocked here.

So far not one serious country has joined that.

 

[Ananda]

We arent on a indonesia banana market.

As i said Trumps loser club is completly mocked here.

So far not one serious country has joined that.

Clearly you have shown your self just another kids troll. You got nothing to contribute except trying to find fight online.

 

[StobieWan]

Moderator note - this thread borders perilously on politics and a casual reading of it brings nothing to this board. Improve the level of discourse and maintain a civil tone or this thread will be locked

 

[John Fedup]

Moderator note - this thread borders perilously on politics and a casual reading of it brings nothing to this board. Improve the level of discourse and maintain a civil tone or this thread will be locked

Might as well be locked as this Trump idea will ultimately lead to SFA, besides the thread title is more or less a political topic.

 

[Beltrami2005]

Clearly you have shown your self just another kids troll. You got nothing to contribute except trying to find fight online.

Its not trolling but a matter of fact. Trump has himself as chairmen of this thing. All important nations decline to kiss trumps feet. So he has a group of weaker nations around him who do whatever their boss demands from them and for that he demands them to pay 1 billion $. Evrything must be agreed from him personal.

This doesnt bring any peace, since Trump demands subordination. Nations who are strong dont subordinate. The UK denied now as well.

So what do you have now? All decissions are done by Trump. The minor nations who bend the knee have nothing to decide and have zero influence since Trump does only whats good for Trump. Trump only respects force. None of the involved nations has any force.

Trump did not give up his Greenland plans because bargaining, he gave up on it because he faced massive oppossition and the threat to get the US economy ruined.

It cant even influence any peace because the big players are all missing. No european power, no china ect.

Now lets take a example, what if Papua Newguinea wants take the parts that are Indonesia. Indonesia bargains with Trump but then Europe gives Trump a better deal or threatens him again with sell out of US papers?

The only person that matters in this thing is Trump and the only one you need to coinvince is...Trump and to do that you dont need to be in that group.

Which means the value of defense and peace is...zero.

 

[StobieWan]

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