The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

[rsemmes]

If that is true, and Ukraine only managed a limited skirmish and withdrawal, yet Russia still failed to secure Hostomel quickly enough to use it as an air bridge, that'd make the operation look somewhat embarrassing.

Did Russia fail?

I do remember Ukraine saying that, and our media, I cannot remember looking at any Russian invasion plan. When and what use was intended, specially after the coup de main failed, I don't know.

 

[rsemmes]

Comrade rsemmes, glad to see you are consistently dubious on anything but the official RU line of opinion !

Here are a reasonable set of estimates from Mediazona, which form the basis of most recent casualty estimates. Im sure we have provided these to you many times, but you keep forgetting.

Russian losses in the war with Ukraine. Mediazona count, updated

221,200 deaths confirmed by May 22

en.zona.media

Confirmed RU deaths by funeral notices, etc are 221K, while probate registry gives ~350K. Given that either of these will underestimate the actual number of RU dead, 500K dead is within the realm of possibility, although personally I wouldnt bet a lot of money yet on 500K. 400K, sure.

As for UKR casualties, you must of not read the csis article (Russia’s Grinding War in Ukraine) as the UKR casualty estimate is right there:

"Ukrainian forces likely suffered somewhere between 500,000 and 600,000 casualties, including killed, wounded, and missing, and between 100,000 and 140,000 fatalities between February 2022 and December 2025"

If you object to any of these figures I look forward to you laying out which parts of the Mediazona methologies (for example) that you find questionable ("Fairy Tale"). Perhaps you can provide better estimates to this audience.

Not exactly.

I don't read TASS, I don't know if it is publishing the same follies; I would guess so.
I didn't say it is impossible.
I read, past tense, that article. GCHQ did not provide any figure for Ukrainian casualties (not that it has to), that was the original post.

I do object to, suddenly, adding 800.000 casualties or 1.8m casualties. That is the Fairy Tale.

 

[personaldesas]

Did Russia fail?

I do remember Ukraine saying that, and our media, I cannot remember looking at any Russian invasion plan. When and what use was intended, specially after the coup de main failed, I don't know.

You kind of answered your own question there

 

[rsemmes]

You kind of answered your own question there

Or kind of not... But I accept the posibility.

The "posibility" of a full invasion to exterminate the Ukrainians, conquer the whole country... and all that?