The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread
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Eyeball
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rsemmes
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More like a military fantasy writer.
You should have mentioned Israel.
Ho had already been relegated (apart from being dead), the Juntas in SVN were an important part of NVN victory and... A general providing excuses for his failures? It never happened before.
(Westmoreland was never in the defensive, it's just that he always wanted more.)
KipPotapych
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Lol.
PS I swear we’ve already had a seventy-year old analyst gamer trophy winner, who moderated a military forum and was basically talking the same points.
Edit: Yes, yes we have: The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread
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True, but the question is in part, just how much sooner or later? Depending on how much later there are external and internal factors that could influence Russia's ability to continue the war. Russia's eventual conquest of Ukraine is a given if nothing major happens to interfere with it.
It can serve the purpose of weakening Russia, at the expense of Ukraine plus some old weapon stockpiles. It can also serve as a way to force Europeans to re-arm and prepare for their own defense in a way that a swift conclusion to this war would not. It can even serve the purpose of keeping Russia busy in Ukraine, so they don't have resources for other things.
But he isn't content and isn't willing. A ceasefire isn't a peace. Consider a situation where Ukraine agrees to the ceasefire, but refuses to acknowledge any loss of territory, and low-intensity fighting continues, including some Ukrainian UAV strikes against Russian oil refineries. Now what? How does that help? How do you make Ukraine stop, or get any recognition for your occupied areas. What about the giant pile of sanctions hurting the Russian economy and access to technology?
Just, no. Zelensky has already agreed to a long ceasefire with no preconditions. It's pretty likely such a ceasefire will see the insertion of some sort of western fighting force to provide some air defense, training, logistics, and support to Ukraine. It's also highly likely that the ceasefire won't be permanent, as Ukraine is simply not willing to give up the territory. Instead what's likely is something along the lines of the Minsk Accords where low-intensity fighting continues, driven by Ukraine's unwillingness to accept any political settlement that recognizes their military defeat on pretty much any level. A ceasefire doesn't require Zelensky to write off the territory, it won't make him be perceived as the aggressor by his western supporters, and I think it won't even lead to any real lasting peace. It will simply enable Ukraine to take a break, re-arm, get more support, and then slowly push for a resumption of hostilities through various provocations, ideally meant to force Russia to be the one resume large scale combat as a way of preventing them from holding on to the territory.4- That'll put the onus squarely on Zel to write off the occupied territory and to agree to a ceasefire, or be seen as the aggressor..
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There was an interesting claim by one commentator that Russia,s production run of the new t-90m are not being sent to the front but held back ,this could make sense sending these new better protected tanks piecemeal into the front would be unlikely to lead to any breakthrough coming from a different direction might in large numbers?