The Russian-Ukrainian War Thread

GermanHerman · May 26, 2022

STURM said:
The skull was first used during the time of Frederick The Great. It was a Prussian insignia used by a number of units including the Hussars. Was worn by a number of units in WW1 [if I'm not mistaken the Sturmtruppen used it] and also later by some Freikorps units [some of which were former Sturmtruppen]. When the Panzerwaffe was formed in the 1930's the skull became part of its insignia and was only adopted by the SS at a later stage prior to the outbreak of war. There was also a non Panzerwaffe Heer unit [I forgot which] which had the skull as authorised insignia on visor caps.

This is all right but the difference is in the shape of the shield which is specific for different divisions. The combination of that shield and the skull is only used by the 3. SS Panzerdivision Totenkopf.

The thing is that you will find people who follow right wing / nazi ideology pretty much everywhere. That dosnt proof there is as systematic problem in Ukraine or that it's worse in Ukraine then in other places.

STURM · May 26, 2022

GermanHerman said:
This is all right but the difference is in the shape of the shield which is specific for different divisions and the combination of that shield and the skull is only used by

Totenkopf? As far as I'm aware that was the only unit which had a skull of a shield as a divisional insignia. The rest - Heer units included - had skulls as cap and collar badges [metal and cloth] without a shield.

Feanor · May 26, 2022

Rock the kasbah said:
Wow how's that last paragraph
Here we go.??

Note the part about it being voluntary. There we don't go. This is an effort to keep the war on an all-volunteer basis. Russia has been more willing to go the road of irregulars then mobilization.

Feanor · May 27, 2022

Here's a pile of photos from Ukrainian military personnel, facilities, and positions.

Here's a Ukrainian SBU service member with the SS Galitsiya division emblem. Note, he's wearing it not just in general, in combat, but in a filmed event with clear publicity intended. The priest is saying a prayer for those that died at Borodyanka.

Here's a Ukrainian soldier with the Totenkopf patch, photo is from 2021.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1378112442572668928

Here's a Ukrainian soldier with the Totenkopf patch more recently.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/tnlcwj
Here's a group of Latvian volunteers heading to Ukraine. Note the emblems.

Андрей Vышинский

На Украину стекается нацистский скот со всего мира. Вот, например, шпротен-нацисты из Латвии пожаловали.

t.me

Here's a pre-war photo (note the second one) which shows what is presumably Azov holding a very special flag. Note the emblems. Same as above.

Украинская террористическая угроза крайне недооценивается » Интересная РОССИЯ

Обезврежена очередная банда проукраинских террористов - на этот раз в Белгороде. Сторонники группировки М.К.У. (Маньяки: Культ убийства) готовили теракты и были направляемы в своих намерениях с территории Украины. «Что делать с Украиной?» — наиглавнейший вопрос внешней политики РФ, который уже

good-russia.ru

And here are Azov fighters surrendering from Azovstal'. Does the patch look familiar? Probably just Darth Vader's helmet.

Русский тарантасъ

Тему со сдачей в плен "азовцев" расчехлили. Сейчас будет полноценный репортаж.

t.me

Kotsnews

Премия Дарвина. Один из сдающихся нацистов на правой руке носит шеврон дивизии СС «Галичина». Другой - стилизацию эмблемы 3-й танковой дивизии СС «Мертвая голова». Денацификация, как она есть. Ну и фашизм, которого на Украине нет. Фото @truekpru @sashakots

t.me

Good thing they got tattoos. Otherwise we might mistake them for Star Wars fans.

Kotsnews

«Повара», вышедшие с Азовстали, и их «ошибки молодости». @sashakots

t.me

Note an AK-47 apparently captured at Azovstal'.

МЕЖДУНАРОДНЫЙ ФАН

Вот такой любопытный образец оружия украинских боевиков обнаружили наши военкоры возле "Азовстали". Это автомат АК74 с магазином от РПК и накладкой на рукоять затвора в виде сами видите чего. #Мариуполь @riafan_everywhere

t.me

And photos from inside a Ukrainian military barracks, near Mariupol'.

⚔️ СВАРЩИКИ

«Азовский» нацистский фетишизм. Фото сделаны на базе «азова» в Юрьевке, с которой они сбежали еще в марте в Мариуполь, а потом и на «Азовсталь». Такое и подобное везде наклеено, на тумбочках, дверях, столах и так далее.

t.me

And photos from a Ukrainian army staging area, 81st Airmobile Bde.

Арийцы из 81-й бригады ВСУ

Интересные фотографии из расположения 81-й бригады ВСУ в Изюме.

colonelcassad.livejournal.com

Ukrainian soldier with the SS symbol. This is from (I believe) 2014.

AP

www.apimages.com

AP

www.apimages.com

And this, also more recent. He's wearing the SS logo, the word "electrician" in Russian, and the word einsatzgruppen in German, which I hope needs no explanation.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1357362008329453572

There's buckets more where this came from. Let me bottom line this. Ukraine has a neo-nazi problem. They were a useful tool in the '14-'15 campaign but this gave them center stage in the thoroughly undemocratic though occasionally populist politics of Ukraine, and they've managed to preserve undue and disproportionate influence in Ukraine ever since. They've used this influence to try and get themselves mainstreamed, obtain funds from the government, and recruit (including children). This is real. Ukraine currently has a much bigger problem then any current right-wing extremists. Ukraine has somewhere around 200k Russian troops and assorted irregulars that have invaded and occupied significant swathes of territory. Ukraine's economy is in free fall, and Russia is still advancing. Western military aid so far does not appear to be keeping up with losses at the front line, and it's multiple territorial defense units have recently been spotted either refusing to fight, or recording public statements regarding their dire circumstances. Ukraine's hasn't lost this war yet, but very well might. And this is a much bigger problem. But it doesn't change the fact that Ukraine's political elites could have quashed and sidelined these extremists tendencies in the years between 2015 and 2022. Instead they let them grow. What happens if Ukraine does lose this war, end up with some sort of ugly and unpleasant compromise peace, and loses territories? How did right wing extremists come to power in the past? The growth of these tendencies is alarming not in the now but in the future. For the time being, if we see a patch that looks like the Totenkopf emblem, it probably is the Totenkopf emblem. Occam's razor.

On a side note, in a sad piece of irony, it's Putin's invasion that has given these right extremists extra legitimacy. Pre-invasion there was a pretty solid consensus in the west that Azov is bad, and Ukraine reaching for right-wing political supporters is to be condemned, if not actually punished or deterred. Now they're once again valuable in the fight. Unless Russia occupies all of Ukraine, these movements will be stronger, not weaker. They're almost better off with Ukraine losing the war, since that undermines the credibility of the already fairly unpopular elites.

STURM · May 27, 2022

An interesting take on things. We've heard a lot about arms deliveries and assume that the Ukrainians will be able to effectively absorb what they've been given into service with minimum delays and difficulties ; the problem is training people to operate ATGWs and other type of weapons are far simpler than with arty and other things.

Former NATO general says Putin has 9-month window to win war

Russia gains ground as it focuses its military offensive and Moscow’s vast resources of men and material exact a toll.

www.aljazeera.com

''Tanks and armoured vehicles need an initial stage of personal training and team training for the driver, gunner, reloader and commander,” said Lt-Gen Konstantinos Loukopoulos, who has taught tank warfare at military academies in Kyiv and Moscow. They need tactical training, including test firing and exercises, which cannot be done in a few weeks. The training cycle is at least six months, and that doesn’t change in wartime,” he said. After [Russian President Vladimir] Putin’s illusions about winning the war in 96 hours, the illusions began on the Western side,” he added. The United States, United Kingdom, Canada, France, Germany and the Czech Republic are among those who have pledged various types of armour and artillery, and that complicates matters, Loukopoulos said. For instance, out of 90 howitzer M777 artillery pieces sent by the US to Ukraine, about 18 have been absorbed, he said, adding that it is unknown how many of the 12 or 14 César self-propelled howitzers sent by France are in use. For Ukraine to absorb the weapons from the West and make them operational, form the right units, and train them, it needs eight, nine months. It can’t pull active units from the front to train them,” Loukopoulos said. That is the timeframe, he believes, within which Putin must win the war on the ground and reach a negotiated settlement.''

“Under the present balance of forces, the general trend is in favour of the Russians. Right now nothing can change that,” he said. After a few months, with training of reserve units, there could be a [Ukrainian] strategic counteroffensive that could throw the Russians out. Loukopoulos believes this could likely be done by Ukraine seizing Russian territory that it could exchange for its own territory in negotiations. Can the Ukrainians create a fact on the ground to counter Russian gains? Right now they cannot,” he said. Whether we like it or not, Russia has the political and military initiative. The West is reacting to what Putin is doing.”

ngatimozart · May 27, 2022

If people want to go down the Ukrainian neo Nazi road then they maybe they can explain Russia's neo Nazi problem as well, just to be fair. I am all for a balanced view but this is a side track and playing to Putin's propaganda.

Putin’s fascists: the Russian state's long history of cultivating homegrown neo-Nazis (theconversation.com)

Russia’s support to the transnational far right remains a key enabler of the global movement. In 2020, the U.S. State Department named the Russian Imperial Movement as a “specially designated global terrorist” group — the first time that the U.S. government has taken such measures against a far-right extremist group. The Russian Imperial Movement has served as a catalyst for politically motivated violence from St. Petersburg to Stockholm and beyond. With the Kremlin’s tacit approval, the group has efficiently built an infrastructure that has allowed it to expand its network and train terrorist operatives, as well as facilitate the Kremlin’s war in eastern Ukraine. Russia’s Wagner Group has long played a role in Russia’s hostilities in Ukraine, including alongside Russian Imperial Movement members, and Wagner-linked mercenaries have engaged in conflicts beyond Europe, including in sub-Saharan Africa, the Levant, South America, and the Maghreb. Wagner Group leaders and mercenaries have long shown signs of supporting and following neo-Nazi ideology, including the use of Nazi and other hate symbols on their clothing, on their military vehicles, and in markings left following their operations.

American neo-Nazis and ideologues have also found support for their cause from Russia. The Base is one such. It is a U.S.-based neo-Nazi militant organization with chapters across the world — it has been listed as a terrorist group by several countries, including the United Kingdom, Canada, and Australia, and has found a home in Russia. Since 2020, the American founder of the group, Rinaldo Nazzaro, has been directing the group from St. Petersburg, where the Russian government has turned a blind eye to his activities on their soil. (Chatter on extremist online channels suggests that Nazzaro may have stepped down from this role since Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.)

How Are Putin’s Far-Right Fans in the West Reacting to His War? - War on the Rocks

And a report from the RUSI:

Pro-Putin far-right groups in Russia have gained particular significance in the years following the annexation of the Crimean Peninsula and the subsequent war in Donbas. A mixture of Russian monarchists, neo-Nazis, Orthodox nationalists, Stalinists, and semi-criminal Cossack groups came together as the anti-Maidan coalition, acting in direct support of the Kremlin’s goals and capitalising on its close proximity to the regime. While Russia did not officially send troops to Donbas and other Russian-speaking parts of Ukraine, it did support and encourage pro-Russian ‘insurgents’ in Ukraine – many of whom were part of the Russian far right and the anti-Maidan coalition. Russian far-right foreign fighters in eastern Ukraine were also joined by members of far-right groups from Europe and elsewhere. For example, between 70 and 300 Serbs, most of whom were linked to far-right and ultranationalist groups, joined the conflict in Ukraine on the Russian side from 2014 onwards.

Overall, far-right actors – recruited both from Russian far-right groups and from groups around the world – played a much more significant role on the Russian side of the conflict than on the Ukrainian side, even though international media rarely picked up on this trend. While the situation in the current conflict is likely different, with lower numbers of foreign far-right volunteers joining the Russian side of the war, mercenary groups such as the Wagner Group – which itself has links to the far-right – are active in the war in support of Russia.

If Russia is Serious about De-Nazification, it Should Start at Home | Royal United Services Institute (rusi.org)

So there is plenty of evidence to suggest that Russia actually has a greater Nazi problem than Ukraine and Putin is more than happy to fund and use far right and neo Nazi groups to further his aims.

ngatimozart · May 27, 2022

ISW RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE CAMPAIGN ASSESSMENT, MAY 26
Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, May 26 | Institute for the Study of War (understandingwar.org)

Key Takeaways

Russian forces unsuccessfully attempted to advance southeast of Izyum near the Kharkiv-Donetsk Oblast border.
Russian forces continued steady advances around Severodonetsk and likely seek to completely encircle the Severodonetsk-Lysychansk area in the coming days.
Russian forces continued to make persistent advances south and west of Popasna toward Bakhmut, but the Russian pace of advance will likely slow as they approach the town itself.
Russian forces in occupied areas of the Southern Axis are reportedly preparing a “third line of defense” to consolidate long-term control over the region and in preparation to repel likely future Ukrainian counteroffensives.

Russian forces have made steady, incremental gains in heavy fighting in eastern Ukraine in the past several days, though Ukrainian defenses remain effective overall. Deputy Ukrainian Defense Minister Hanna Malyar stated that the fighting is currently at its "maximum intensity” compared to previous Russian assaults and will likely continue to escalate.[1] Spokesperson for the Ukrainian Defense Ministry Oleksandr Motuzyanyk characterized Russian gains as “temporary success” and stated that Ukrainian forces are using a maneuver defense to put pressure on Russian advances in key areas.[2] Russian forces have now taken control of over 95% of Luhansk Oblast and will likely continue efforts to complete the capture of Severodonetsk in the coming days.[3] Russian forces have made several gains in the past week, but their offensive operations remain slow. Russian forces are heavily degraded and will struggle to replace further losses.

SW has updated its assessment of the four primary efforts Russian forces are engaged in at this time. We have stopped coverage of Mariupol as a separate effort since the city’s fall. We have added a new section on activities in Russian-occupied areas:

Main effort—Eastern Ukraine (comprised of one subordinate and three supporting efforts);
Subordinate main effort—Encirclement of Ukrainian troops in the cauldron between Izyum and Donetsk and Luhansk Oblasts
Supporting effort 1—Kharkiv City
Supporting effort 2—Southern axis
Activities in Russian-occupied areas

The full report including sources, is at the link above.

swerve · May 27, 2022

Feanor said:
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Note that photo is quite old but shows then president Poroshenko visiting a Ukrainian airmobile unit. I haven't been posting various materials related to Ukrainian service members sporting right wing extremist symbols, because frankly I didn't see the value in it and assumed that it was generally understood that this is an issue. But since there seems to be doubt I'll take some time this week and dig up as much as I reasonably can.

Current British army cap badge -

Cap_badge_of_The_Queen's_Royal_Lancers.jpg

The skull & crossbones are from the cap badge of the 17th Lancers, founded in 1759.

It's been used as an emblem by regiments of quite a few armies, since long before there was any such thing as a Nazi.

Stuart M · May 27, 2022

swerve said:
Current British army cap badge -
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The skull & crossbones are from the cap badge of the 17th Lancers, founded in 1759.

It's been used as an emblem by regiments of quite a few armies, since long before there was any such thing as a Nazi.

And I'm pretty sure this fellow from 1917 pre-dated the Waffen SS and the Nazis as well

John Fedup · May 27, 2022

Stuart M said:
And I'm pretty sure this fellow from 1917 pre-dated the Waffen SS and the Nazis as well
View attachment 49382

Bill sure liked to decorate himself.

STURM · May 27, 2022

swerve said:
It's been used as an emblem by regiments of quite a few armies, since long before there was any such thing as a Nazi.

Was also - as is well known - adopted by pirates/buccaneers and I'm sure there's an interesting story behind that.

Stuart M said:
And I'm pretty sure this fellow from 1917 pre-dated the Waffen SS and trdhe Nazis

The skulls [totenkopf] were originally a Prussian insignia then over the years were adopted by other units including or mainly the Sturmtuppen and later the Freikorps. In the 1930's it was adopted by the Panzerwaffe and later the Allgemeine SS. Their skull was slightly different to the one adopted by the Heer. The skulls on shield was the insignia of the 3rd Totenkopf division.

STURM · May 27, 2022

A lot we still don't know about given that its early days. Did Russia originally intent on seizing most of the Ukraine [with a large hostile population] up to the Dnieper? Was the thrust on Kiev [the Russians never had the resources needed for a city of that size] really intended to seize it or to draw attention away from the south?

One thing's for sure; Russia is making slow but steady progress in the south and the Ukraine too is under a lot of strain despite its successes and high morale.

Is Putin achieving his goals in Ukraine?

Despite many setbacks, Russia made some progress with regards to the officially declared goals of its war on Ukraine.

www.aljazeera.com

''While many in the West seem to think that Putin aims to occupy the whole of Ukraine, Russia’s territorial expansion goals officially declared at the start of the operation are not nearly as ambitious. They boil down to establishing control over the entire territories of Donetsk and Luhansk in eastern Ukraine, which Russian-backed separatists have only partially controlled since 2014.''

''For now, all we know is that the first stage of the war included an ill-fated march on Kyiv and a failed attempt to encircle Ukraine’s second-largest city, Kharkiv. Was it a part of the plan for a broad occupation or a way of distracting Ukrainian forces while Russia was establishing the land corridor to Crimea?'''

''It may well be an example of what British political scientist Mark Galeotti once dubbed the Kremlin’s “adhocracy”. Perhaps there was not much of a plan – just a desire to punish Ukraine for refusing to implement the Minsk agreements, which ended the first war in Donbas in 2014-15 and envisaged autonomy for the Russian-backed parts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions within Ukraine. A week before Putin launched his invasion of Ukraine, President Zelenskyy had called the Minsk agreements “vapid” and designed to turn Ukraine into a losing side.''

''In that respect, the attack on Kyiv could have been more of a punitive raid than an attempt to seize territory. The atrocities exposed after the Russian army retreated from northern Ukraine suggest that they were not exactly fighting for hearts and minds in this part of the country.''

''If this is indeed accurate, what’s crucial for the Kremlin is that at the end of the current war, Ukraine is forced to agree to a truce that will be much more humiliating than what was envisaged by the Minsk agreements. If the war ends with Russia occupying all of Luhansk and Donetsk plus retaining control of the land corridor to Crimea, it will be more than enough for Putin to declare a spotless victory.''

Boatteacher · May 27, 2022

STURM said:
A lot we still don't know about given that its early days. Did Russia originally intent on seizing most of the Ukraine [with a large hostile population] up to the Dnieper? Was the thrust on Kiev [the Russians never had the resources needed for a city of that size] really intended to seize it or to draw attention away from the south?

Personally I think we are being naive in thinking Putin's goal wasn't, all along, to incorporate the whole of Ukarine back into Russia.
There was a timely reminder today in Quadrant of the interaction between Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbot and Putin at a G20 meeting shortly after a Russian missle brought down MH17.

Elie Kedourie’s Insight on National Conflicts - Quadrant

There is no compelling reason why an Australian political leader should be able to reflect with a longer, informed historical perspective on the spirit of the age, or reflect on the rise and fall of peoples. Who is to say any of our leaders will be educated in a history of what has happened...

quadrant.org.au

"Tony Abbott has almost revived Carl von Clausewitz’s vocabulary from On War. I refer to the well-remembered promise that Abbott made as Prime Minister of Australia—that he would “shirtfront” Mr Putin, the President of Russia. Mr Abbott explains:

Well, after a Russian missile battery shot down MH17 over eastern Ukraine, killing thirty-eight Australians, I promised to “shirtfront” the Russian president—it’s an Australian sporting term for a rough tackle. I had that very robust conversation with him on the sidelines of the APEC summit in Beijing in 2014. With rare intensity, he insisted that Ukraine was really Russian and that their [Ukraine’s] government was fascist or worse—and that provocateurs had brought down the plane.

On the first page of On War, von Clausewitz says:

War is nothing but a duel on a larger scale. Countless duels go to make up a war, but a picture of it … can be formed by imagining a pair of wrestlers. Each tries through physical force to compel the other to do his will; his immediate aim is to throw his opponent in order to make him incapable of further resistance …

Perhaps shirtfronting fits within this wrestling vocabulary. Abbott then writes that Putin charges him with not being a native Australian, and Putin contrasts this with the presumed superiority of his own identity as a native Russian. Perhaps this more than anything shows the nationalist roots of what drives Putin and the significantly different notion of the nation and the state that holds in Australia. Perhaps this difference is due to some of the distinctive tributaries that have flowed into the British experience, from the seventeenth century in particular, and then on into the Australian domain. Mr Abbott continues:

And then he grabbed me with both hands and said something both strange and revealing: “You are not a native Australian,” he said, “but I am a native Russian.” It’s this passion for blood and soil and sacred mission that drives my sense that he’s ready to take big risks, to restore the Russia of his dreams, especially against weakness and vulnerability."

Given the path of the initial attack and Putin's clear obsession witht the issue, there can be little doubt as to what his intention was, whatever the public statements were. The drive on Keiv looked like a decapatiatiion mission; take the capital, eliminate the government and take over the country. Any other explaination neither makes seense nor is consistant with Putin's known ideals.

Feanor · May 28, 2022

STURM said:
A lot we still don't know about given that its early days. Did Russia originally intent on seizing most of the Ukraine [with a large hostile population] up to the Dnieper? Was the thrust on Kiev [the Russians never had the resources needed for a city of that size] really intended to seize it or to draw attention away from the south?

One thing's for sure; Russia is making slow but steady progress in the south and the Ukraine too is under a lot of strain despite its successes and high morale.

Is Putin achieving his goals in Ukraine?

Despite many setbacks, Russia made some progress with regards to the officially declared goals of its war on Ukraine.

www.aljazeera.com

''While many in the West seem to think that Putin aims to occupy the whole of Ukraine, Russia’s territorial expansion goals officially declared at the start of the operation are not nearly as ambitious. They boil down to establishing control over the entire territories of Donetsk and Luhansk in eastern Ukraine, which Russian-backed separatists have only partially controlled since 2014.''

''For now, all we know is that the first stage of the war included an ill-fated march on Kyiv and a failed attempt to encircle Ukraine’s second-largest city, Kharkiv. Was it a part of the plan for a broad occupation or a way of distracting Ukrainian forces while Russia was establishing the land corridor to Crimea?'''

''It may well be an example of what British political scientist Mark Galeotti once dubbed the Kremlin’s “adhocracy”. Perhaps there was not much of a plan – just a desire to punish Ukraine for refusing to implement the Minsk agreements, which ended the first war in Donbas in 2014-15 and envisaged autonomy for the Russian-backed parts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions within Ukraine. A week before Putin launched his invasion of Ukraine, President Zelenskyy had called the Minsk agreements “vapid” and designed to turn Ukraine into a losing side.''

''In that respect, the attack on Kyiv could have been more of a punitive raid than an attempt to seize territory. The atrocities exposed after the Russian army retreated from northern Ukraine suggest that they were not exactly fighting for hearts and minds in this part of the country.''

''If this is indeed accurate, what’s crucial for the Kremlin is that at the end of the current war, Ukraine is forced to agree to a truce that will be much more humiliating than what was envisaged by the Minsk agreements. If the war ends with Russia occupying all of Luhansk and Donetsk plus retaining control of the land corridor to Crimea, it will be more than enough for Putin to declare a spotless victory.''

I think all the "it was a clever ruse all along" theories are nonsense. There are clear mistakes and misapprehensions on Russia's part about Ukraine's ability and willingness to fight. I think Russian leadership genuinely thought the northern front could take Kiev, the north-eastern could take Kharkov and Sumy, and the southern could take Kherson Nikolaev, Odessa, and simultaneously form the land corridor. Phase 2 would then in reality have been a two-sided push both east and west of the Dnepr (note both the northern and southern offensives straddled both sides of the river).

ngatimozart · May 28, 2022

Feanor said:
I think all the "it was a clever ruse all along" theories are nonsense. There are clear mistakes and misapprehensions on Russia's part about Ukraine's ability and willingness to fight. I think Russian leadership genuinely thought the northern front could take Kiev, the north-eastern could take Kharkov and Sumy, and the southern could take Kherson Nikolaev, Odessa, and simultaneously form the land corridor. Phase 2 would then in reality have been a two-sided push both east and west of the Dnepr (note both the northern and southern offensives straddled both sides of the river).

I have to agree. If it had been the old Soviet army it would've been a short war, with a Russian victory. Poland would've had Russian armies sitting on its border yet again. They wouldn't've made the same mistakes as this Russian army has.

STURM · May 28, 2022

The Soviet army also had the resources to conduct and sustain 3-4 simultaneous drivers on different axis; the operational reserves on hand and the logistics capability. All of these the Russian army lacks. For the past few years Russian planners never thought they'd have to mount a strategic level offensive on this scale.

If we go back tto WW2 the Soviet army at various points also had logistics issues which affected its ability to maintain the momentum. Towards the end of the war it also had manpower issues due to heavy casualties against the Germans who right to the end were still often tactically more proficient.

Feanor · May 28, 2022

Update.

Kherson-Nikolaev-Odessa.

Russian cruise missiles launches, Black Sea Fleet.

Colonelcassad

Пуски крылатых ракет "Калибр" с кораблей Черноморского Флота по цехам завода "Мотор Сич". Отмечу, что если бы "Мотор Сич" продали китайцам, то скорее всего никто бы в завод не стрелял. Теперь прилетели последствия кидка.

t.me

Zaporozhye-Dnepropetrovsk.

Progress factory in Zaporozhye got hit by a Russian strike.

Colonelcassad

Утром в Запорожье ракетными ударами уничтожены 3 цеха на заводе "Прогресс", который занимается производством различных двигателей + один прилет по ТЦ "Аврора".

t.me

Motor Sich factory in Zaporozhye got hit. They're a key engine building plant for helos and planes.

Денацификация UA

Высокоточным ударом ВС России уничтожены производственные цеха завода «Мотор Сич» в Запорожье. Там выпускались авиационные двигатели для боевой авиации воздушных сил Украины, в том числе БПЛА

t.me

Colonelcassad

"Я не хочу туда идти..." Последствия удара по заводу "Мотор Сич". Интересно, как скоро ракеты прилетят по "Южмашу"?

t.me

Vasil'yevka, Zaporozhye region, allegedly hit by Ukrainian shelling.

Вежливые и Заботливые

Последствие ночных обстрелов украинскими войсками г. Васильевка Запорожской области. В Результате обстрела пострадал детский сад №4 и территория части МЧС. Вежливые и Заботливые

t.me

Zaporozhye territorial defense using an improvised technical with a Soviet Maxim gun and a DP-27. Some people have wondered why the west supplied M-240s, .50 cals, and Mk 19s to Ukraine. This is why. Ukraine is running low on belt-fed crew served weapons.

Белорусский силовик

Тероборона Запорожья использует пулемёт Максим, установленный на советский автомобиль ЛуАЗ-969. Белорусский силовик | Сдать подельника

t.me

"Бандеровоз".

Чем дальше от передовой, тем воинственнее. Вот и тербат в Запорожье установил допотопные пулемёты на такой же допотопную повозку. Ранее такое я видел только у страйкболистов и пейнтболистов, но тут, епт, "сильнейшая армия Европы"! В степях Украины в 1920 была бы она к месту, но против танков и БМП…

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