The Russian PAK FA fighter program, where will it go??

[Pathfinder-X]

The Sukhoi Design Bureau of Moscow, Russia has developed the Su-47 (previously called the S-37 Berkut or Golden Eagle) fighter aircraft, which first flew in September 1997. Su-47 is in a forward swept wing configuration and uses a highly unstable triplane (with three main lifting surfaces) aerodynamic configuration. The Su-47 completed the first stage of flight trials in December 2001. In May 2002, Sukhoi was selected as prime contractor for the next-generation Russian PAK FA fighter programme. The PAK FA will be a development of the Su-47 but without the forward swept wings.

The design of the very high manoeuvrability prototype is based on the avionics and aerodynamics technologies developed for the Su-27 upgrade programme. Some of the systems and component designs from the Su-27, (the all weather supersonic fighter aircraft with NATO reporting name Flanker), have been used in the Su-47, for example the design of the canopy, landing gear, some of the avionics and the near-vertical tails.

despite losing the contract to Sukhoi, the General Designer of RSK-MiG, (Rossijskaya Samolyotostroitelnaya Korporatsiya - MiG/Russian Aircraft Manufacturing Corporation-MiG), Nikolai Nikitin, asserts that the mig 1.44 technology demonstrator will play a major part in defining Russia's fifth-generation fighter in the coming months. RSK-MiG's senior management considers that it would be extremely shortsighted and entirely wrong not to exploit fully the multitude of technical innovations and improvements integrated into the design of the 1.44.

currently due to lack of funding the project's progress has been very slow, some western observers do not believe the airplane will be able to come into service anytime soon in the future.

two experimental platforms for PAK FA project

 

[mysterious]

I dont think that the aircraft picture really matches the above sketches. :smokingc:

 

[adsH]

the First is a X-Russian AC program that got Canceled and China took the Designs and built the J-10 onn, Believe me Just wait till the Twin engine varaint of the J-10 comes out it would literally be a copy of this design,

The second on is an X russian Ac program too it didn't go well i think i am not too sure pathFinder. :roll

 

[Pathfinder-X]

the pics of the possible future PAK FA

 

[Pathfinder-X]

ok the pics r working now. i'll upload my pics here first next time.

 

[XEROX]

I BELIVE THAT THE RUSSIANS AND INDIANS WILL COLLABORATE INTO THIS VENTURE, DUNNO ABOUT INDIAN SKILL IN AVIONICS BUT I DO KNOW THAT THEY WILL BE PUMPING CASH INTO THE PROJECT, I GUESS IT WORKS WELL FOR BOTH AIR FORCES THEN

 

[webmaster]

PJ-10, lets lose the CAPS or lose the replies.

 

[Pathfinder-X]

I BELIVE THAT THE RUSSIANS AND INDIANS WILL COLLABORATE INTO THIS VENTURE, DUNNO ABOUT INDIAN SKILL IN AVIONICS BUT I DO KNOW THAT THEY WILL BE PUMPING CASH INTO THE PROJECT, I GUESS IT WORKS WELL FOR BOTH AIR FORCES THEN

yes they will be working together in this project, but i don't think the indians will purchase these jets. the only reason india got involved was to learn some of the important technologies russians have. i do not believe indians will be dumb enough to miss this chance to improve their MCA design, making a big step towards independency in military.

 

[mysterious]

Hey Webs, isnt there a rule in the "Rules" area that tell people to turn their damn capslocks off? :cop

 

[P.A.F]

i don't particularly rate this jet at all. it ugly :alian :eek

 

[adsH]

as i can and if i recall right the SU 47 backward swept wing AC was cancelled the PAK FA is a different AC , first look at the backward swept wing instantly tells you that some designer was haveing a lousy day at the office either felt creative or was drunk or while assembly the Engineers fitted the wing in the wrong direction.

 

[gf0012-aust]

The FSW concept was looked at by the US and Russia due to the fact that FSW platforms can out turn and do it far more tightly than a conventional aircraft. The germans initiated the first FSW in WW2. A few units were captured by the americans, and IIRC the russians captured some of the designers. Both sides experimented with FSW on and off the period ending WW2

The significant problems up until the 90's were that the chord of the wing was on the opposite side to convention, this caused some significant headaches for designers as it was anathema to them. Also the materials available to resist such loadings were very expensive and hard to develop. This is in the period where compound polymers etc was still in the early development stages, so carbon fibre etc was not as common.

The US and Russia actually worked together on a joint FSW project in the 90's. The relationship was abandoned as both sides determined that as good as the concept was - the cost benefit and emerging weapons technologies and fighter technologies were delivering better capability.

The US built a flight of X-29's and IIRC there is only one FSW Su-37.

The planes value and utility as a dogfighter (and the russian aircraft is realistically too big as a dog fighter) was slowly neutralised by TVC on both aircraft and missiles, and by the fact that off boresight shots became the new preferred capability.

The cost to build a FSW wing with it's requisite high wing loading and associated root and barrel costs made them dinosaurs pretty quickly.

Nice planes - NO future.

Interesting to note that the PAK FA demonstrates the chined forward area of a Super Hornet/Hornet and the vertical tail layout of an F-15 rather than the Hornets severely canted tails..

It looks like a bit like a Super Hornet/Eagle hybrid.

 

[LCA_Tejas]

Hey guys I beleive the big pic at the top is from the MiG 1.44 programme. The PAK-FA programme is entirely different from this . In fact it is Sukhoi who is developing the PAK-FA and not the MiG design bureau. :!:

Nobody has a pic of what the 5thgen fighter will look like. In fact we don't even know the current status of the project.

 

[Oqaab]

I dont think India will get PAK FA. They love their tail-less MCA the most and will accelerate their project. But if MCA fails, then they will go for PAK FA, with ToT.

 

[srirangan]

India is planning to work with the Russian on the PAK-FA program, and will use this experience in building the MCA. The PAK-FA represents the JSF, and the MCA represents Raptor. What I mean is, PAK-FA will be built for exports, and MCA will be the plane that the IAF buys.

 

[lalith prasad]

there was a photo of pakfa in the the bharat rakshak forum it is of a pretty conventional design taken from a russian magazine it is known that both india and russia were against a forward swept design it is claimed that the design will be similiar to the existing s37 but with conventional wings.

 

[Deltared075]

PAK-FA will coming soon I guest.

but i dun think it will very special since it will just like the Su-27 family which will have many variants.

Any countries can buy it even the US, so what the big deal about it?
after all just a new aircraft.

 

[adsH]

PAK-FA will coming soon I guest.

but i dun think it will very special since it will just like the Su-27 family which will have many variants.

Any countries can buy it even the US, so what the big deal about it?
after all just a new aircraft.

what i have heard is Pak FA is more stealthy better performing 5th gen fighter with Plasma Stealth !! its no way as Lower gen AC as su27.

 

[Deltared075]

I dun said it low generation.

I mean PAK-FA is for export, so most countries can get their hand on this machine.

For true defence you need something other cannot get it.
like the US have the F22 and not for sell even for Britain!

China will have J10 now, and later JXX perharp and these also primary defence machine not for sell.

Russian in the other hand sell every thing!

 

[adsH]

I dun said it low generation.

I mean PAK-FA is for export, so most countries can get their hand on this machine.

For true defence you need something other cannot get it.
like the US have the F22 and not for sell even for Britain!

China will have J10 now, and later JXX perharp and these also primary defence machine not for sell.

Russian in the other hand sell every thing!

the Uk can get the F22 raptors but we would rather go for our own cheaper version fighter, EF2000 the F22 is too expensive and i see little point in buying such a high cost AC that only has jacked up prices because they had to spend alot on developing something that has 1.5 mach super-cruise and High maneuverability coupled with higher class Stealth. goods weapon but pointless for European nations when JSF is comming soon.