The Royal Navy Discussions and Updates

[John Fedup]

Well, I'd be mighty surprised if they haven't noticed the "operational" curved thing up forward on LIAONING. Not to to mention the currently unnamed second PLAN STOBAR carrier.


Does this also apply to France, which is, as I write this, on the cusp of deploying a task group to the Pacific? A task group centred on the carrier CHARLES DE GAULLE.

The French want to get their carrier to the Pacific first I guess. Don't think they will be visiting NZ with their naughty nuclear powered ship though.

 

[ngatimozart]

The French want to get their carrier to the Pacific first I guess. Don't think they will be visiting NZ with their naughty nuclear powered ship though.

The French and the UK deploying CVTG's to the Pacific are a good move and send a message to Beijing and others, that it is not just the US and Indo Pacific nations who are resisting Beijings aggression and illegal land / sea resource grabs.

Don't think that a French CVN would create too much of a stink with the left-tard protesters. However if it was an American CVN the howls of self righteous indignation from screeching left-tard protesters would awaken the long dead. French warships from the French Pacific Territories regularly visit NZ and no protests etc., whatsoever. Soon as an American one looks like coming here the screeching from the left-tards starts.

 

[John Fedup]

We used to have a lot of the same left-tard reactions to America military visits but not so much now. Even left-tards realize how much the US presence allows Canada to skimp on defence obligations.

 

[StingrayOZ]

The French and the UK deploying CVTG's to the Pacific are a good move and send a message to Beijing and others, that it is not just the US and Indo Pacific nations who are resisting Beijings aggression and illegal land / sea resource grabs.

Don't think that a French CVN would create too much of a stink with the left-tard protesters. However if it was an American CVN the howls of self righteous indignation from screeching left-tard protesters would awaken the long dead. French warships from the French Pacific Territories regularly visit NZ and no protests etc., whatsoever. Soon as an American one looks like coming here the screeching from the left-tards starts.

NZ isn't touchy about the french nuclear tests and Rainbow warrior? A patrol ship is a bit different from a carrier visit.
Wonder if the French will stop by its old colonials like the UK is planning. Vietnam? Vanuatu?

 

[ngatimozart]

NZ isn't touchy about the french nuclear tests and Rainbow warrior? A patrol ship is a bit different from a carrier visit.
Wonder if the French will stop by its old colonials like the UK is planning. Vietnam? Vanuatu?

Nope, no longer touchy about it.

 

[MrConservative]

The French and the UK deploying CVTG's to the Pacific are a good move and send a message to Beijing and others, that it is not just the US and Indo Pacific nations who are resisting Beijings aggression and illegal land / sea resource grabs.

Don't think that a French CVN would create too much of a stink with the left-tard protesters. However if it was an American CVN the howls of self righteous indignation from screeching left-tard protesters would awaken the long dead. French warships from the French Pacific Territories regularly visit NZ and no protests etc., whatsoever. Soon as an American one looks like coming here the screeching from the left-tards starts.

I do think the Charles de Gaulle would have them choking on their organic lentils though. I agree any other French vessel not so much.

When an AB came down for the RNZN 75th Birthday there really was not too much fuss. The radical left today are starting to be mocked more than anything else viz the Auckland Peace Action spokesperson's interview with Sean Plunkett earlier in the week.

 

[Redlands18]

I do think the Charles de Gaulle would have them choking on their organic lentils though. I agree any other French vessel not so much.

When an AB came down for the RNZN 75th Birthday there really was not too much fuss. The radical left today are starting to be mocked more than anything else viz the Auckland Peace Action spokesperson's interview with Sean Plunkett earlier in the week.

Isn't NZ a Nuke free zone which would automaticly rule out a visit by the CDG.
US Warships couldn't visit till recently due to the fact rhat they wouldn't admit to whether they were carrying Nukes or not.

 

[ngatimozart]

I do think the Charles de Gaulle would have them choking on their organic lentils though. I agree any other French vessel not so much.

When an AB came down for the RNZN 75th Birthday there really was not too much fuss. The radical left today are starting to be mocked more than anything else viz the Auckland Peace Action spokesperson's interview with Sean Plunkett earlier in the week.

Oh yes, he had her well and truly hoisted by her own petard. Listen: Sean Plunket rips apart stunned Auckland Peace Action activist over Jordan Peterson opposition Talk about a stunned mullet. Oh dear how sad to bad never mind.

 

[KiwiRob]

Nope, no longer touchy about it.

Says you, I think there would be significant public disapproval if the French wanted to bring CdG to NZ, and it would also be illegal, the New Zealand Nuclear Free Zone, Disarmament, and Arms Control Act 1987 specifically bans nuclear powered and armed vessels from NZ territorial waters.

 

[MrConservative]

Could we please steer this thread back to the Royal Navy.

Cheers Mr C

 

[StobieWan]

Good to see, in reassuring way, that the Guardian is already foaming at the mouth about the planned QUEEN ELIZABETH deployment.

Here's just two small bits for folks to enjoy.

"The Queen Elizabeth cannot sail until 2021. It has no business whatsoever in the South China Sea, where such a vast and unwieldy ship would be a sitting target. The Chinese could sink it in an hour. As for new military bases in the Caribbean and east of Suez, they would cost billions and be an invitation to terrorists. The Chinese must be laughing themselves sick.

He should have the guts to cancel the useless Trident missiles and their vulnerable submarines, mothball the carriers and cancel the frigates. They are pure showing off, as pointless as the American jet fighters, almost all of which remain undelivered. Such weapons have no more to do with protecting modern Britain than do muskets, bows and arrows and changing the guard."

Not so sure that the Chinese are laughing themselves sick as, well, doing the opposite.

By the way, this not new news, it's merely official confirmation of the deployment first announced by Boris Johnson in Sydney in July 2017.

For those who think the deployment is built on nothing, please note that ALBION did a SCS FONOP last year, and three or four RN ships spent much of 2018 in the neighbourhood, mostly using Japan as home-away-from. A T23 was in Darwin last week, just the latest doing the rounds.

It must be rewarding for Guardian reports and columnists to always be 100% right about everything, especially in their sneering, sanctimonious, self-righteous way. Also must be rewarding for them to be able to whistle-up complex geostrat solutions to the evolving issues of the SCS in the blink of an eye.

For those who enjoy some barmy lefty ranting, here's the whole piece - British ‘lethality’? Gavin Williamson’s brain has gone absent without leave | Simon Jenkins

The Guardian loudly announced that the carriers had been scrapped, sold off to India or would be otherwise cancelled so many times over the last ten years I'm sure that their very existence causes uncontrollable writhing in pain.

A CVF with a deck of 24 or more F35B in a task force would be a very big stick to have arrive off the coasts of many nations and if anyone were in doubt they should look to how the US regard the UK re-entry into carrier strike I would suggest.

Jenkins is incorrect in all details and I hope he wasn't paid for the article.

 

[John Fedup]

Here’s a link to a proposed littoral strike ship for the RN. The company is calling it a MRV (multi role vessel). Might be useful for the RCN as long as it doesn’t cost as much as SeaSpan’s AOR.

First proposal for the Royal Navy’s new Littoral Strike Ships unveiled

 

[Nurse]

Here’s a link to a proposed littoral strike ship for the RN. The company is calling it a MRV (multi role vessel). Might be useful for the RCN as long as it doesn’t cost as much as SeaSpan’s AOR.

First proposal for the Royal Navy’s new Littoral Strike Ships unveiled

Looks nice. A privateer for the 21st century. Could be what the RAN page are on about with regards to to a HADR/hospital ship. Minimal permanent crew too...

 

[hauritz]

Here’s a link to a proposed littoral strike ship for the RN. The company is calling it a MRV (multi role vessel). Might be useful for the RCN as long as it doesn’t cost as much as SeaSpan’s AOR.

First proposal for the Royal Navy’s new Littoral Strike Ships unveiled

The specs don't seem to be that much different to the Bay class, but without a well deck.

Perhaps the Brits should have hung onto the Largs Bay. It probably still has another 20 years left in it. Oh well ... their loss.

 

[John Fedup]

T68 posted this link on the ADF thread. Shows more information, no well deck but it has a ro-ro setup.

MRV |

 

[ngatimozart]

T68 posted this link on the ADF thread. Shows more information, no well deck but it has a ro-ro setup.

MRV |

And that IMO is the problem because it then has the same problem as the MRV HMNZS Canterbury - can't use the stern ramp in sea states greater than 2 (sub para f, p.25) which are quite low. Kinda defeats the purpose.

 

[KiwiRob]

The specs don't seem to be that much different to the Bay class, but without a well deck.

Perhaps the Brits should have hung onto the Largs Bay. It probably still has another 20 years left in it. Oh well ... their loss.

I think it's more like the MOD Point Class ships, they built 6, 4 are still in service, 2 were released from MOD charter, maybe this vessel could be built by refitting some of the Points?

 

[swerve]

The specs don't seem to be that much different to the Bay class, but without a well deck.

Perhaps the Brits should have hung onto the Largs Bay. It probably still has another 20 years left in it. Oh well ... their loss.

Yes. Considering the smallness of her RFA crew, & her general usefulness, I was amazed that she was got rid of. Sold off cheap, too. The RAN got a bargain.

 

[the concerned]

Could Albion and Bulwark be used for this and then replace these ships and Ocean with 2 new amphibious assault ships. Or another possibility is the 2 fort class replenishment ships which are in the process of being replaced.

 

[swerve]

Albion & Bulwark have relatively large crews, & would be more expensive to operate than the modified merchant ship/auxiliary that seems to be under consideration for this role. Also, replacing them with new amphibious ships would be more expensive than the new ships proposed.

And why is the Fort-class being replaced? Fort Rosalie & Fort Austin are 40 years old. Are such old ships a good basis for a new capability?