Might be able to pick up some SSNs cheap and a CVUK used kit on the market....wet dream for Canadian Liberals.
Hell, go all the way - why not a couple of SSBNs 
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Hell, go all the way - why not a couple of SSBNs 
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
As much as I would like to have the Astute class here, they would be the least likely kit on the disposal block, even if Corbin forms the next government. As for the CV, why bother? It will be a rust bucket before we ever get around to buying new jets.
I prefer this version of the data, but only because it comes directly from UK PLC, not some jurno hack !
Three shipbuilding teams shortlisted to build new warships in UK
The 'inclusion' of Atlas is strange IMHO.
In layman's terms it sounds like what sheep farmers do when they have a lamb that has died & a mother whose produced x3 lambs. They strip the hide off the dead lamb & make one of the x3 lambs from the other sheep wear it for a week / 10 days, till the mother of the dead lamb bonds & accepts it for her own.
Bizarre & extreme analogy, but it sounds like UK PLC have dangled that £5m design contract in the hope to get others to participate, with Atlas /TKMS being the lamb wearing the dead skin.
Everyone in Whitehall is gonna have to be on their 'A' game when these contracts come in, as I don't see the ships being built for the contract at cost per ship prices. The ships will be 'spec'd' to match the contract, but any changes that are asked for will have to be paid for. Something UK PLC doesn't like, when they change their minds 3 years into a contract & the supplier demands more money to meet the change.
Cats & traps anyone ??
SA
It's going to be interesting ( in the sense of the old Chinese curse)
I'm much more in favour of just building some more Type 26 as Type 31e looks like a very complicated way of increasing hull numbers. And yes, it's likely that what's ordered won't be what's wanted and there'll be some tinkering and spec changes which will get expensive.
t68
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British supercarrier HMS Queen Elizabeth to deploy to the Pacific
Looks like 2021 the .1st cruise of QE will be to annoy China with a mixed UK/USMC F35 task group, wonder if a 5 Eyes task group will keep her company, what year is talisman saber in the 20’s? Would be nice to see her there
MARKMILES77
Active Member
Unexpected announcement.
New build or converted commercial vessels?
If they are similar to the US version they are going to be enormous vessels.
@MARKMILES77 How about providing a link to the article so that the rest of us can have a look.
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Here’s a link for the proposed littoral assault ships.
UK to purchase two Littoral Strike Ships for special forces
UK to purchase two Littoral Strike Ships for special forces
t68
Well-Known Member
First Sea Lord on Twitter
Apparently being funded from the transformation fund, transformation fund?
Apparently being funded from the transformation fund, transformation fund?
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
Given the problematic forthcoming Adm Normal trial, I guess junior has a bus on order to throw Vance under. The hiding of requested court documents by using code words for Norman’s name so they wouldn’t show up in document searches will be attached to him.
Replacing Gen. Vance? Not yet, says the Privy Council Office
The hiding of requested court documents by using code words for Norman’s name so they wouldn’t show up in document searches will be attached to him. Replacing Gen. Vance? Not yet, says the Privy Council Office
Have you posted this in the right place? While I could see it being of some interest in the RCN thread but not the RN one!Given the problematic forthcoming Adm Normal trial, I guess junior has a bus on order to throw Vance under.
Replacing Gen. Vance? Not yet, says the Privy Council Office
John Fedup
The Bunker Group
No, wrong thread. Thanks.
Good to see, in reassuring way, that the Guardian is already foaming at the mouth about the planned QUEEN ELIZABETH deployment.
Here's just two small bits for folks to enjoy.
"The Queen Elizabeth cannot sail until 2021. It has no business whatsoever in the South China Sea, where such a vast and unwieldy ship would be a sitting target. The Chinese could sink it in an hour. As for new military bases in the Caribbean and east of Suez, they would cost billions and be an invitation to terrorists. The Chinese must be laughing themselves sick.
He should have the guts to cancel the useless Trident missiles and their vulnerable submarines, mothball the carriers and cancel the frigates. They are pure showing off, as pointless as the American jet fighters, almost all of which remain undelivered. Such weapons have no more to do with protecting modern Britain than do muskets, bows and arrows and changing the guard."
Not so sure that the Chinese are laughing themselves sick as, well, doing the opposite.
By the way, this not new news, it's merely official confirmation of the deployment first announced by Boris Johnson in Sydney in July 2017.
For those who think the deployment is built on nothing, please note that ALBION did a SCS FONOP last year, and three or four RN ships spent much of 2018 in the neighbourhood, mostly using Japan as home-away-from. A T23 was in Darwin last week, just the latest doing the rounds.
It must be rewarding for Guardian reports and columnists to always be 100% right about everything, especially in their sneering, sanctimonious, self-righteous way. Also must be rewarding for them to be able to whistle-up complex geostrat solutions to the evolving issues of the SCS in the blink of an eye.
For those who enjoy some barmy lefty ranting, here's the whole piece - British ‘lethality’? Gavin Williamson’s brain has gone absent without leave | Simon Jenkins
Here's just two small bits for folks to enjoy.
"The Queen Elizabeth cannot sail until 2021. It has no business whatsoever in the South China Sea, where such a vast and unwieldy ship would be a sitting target. The Chinese could sink it in an hour. As for new military bases in the Caribbean and east of Suez, they would cost billions and be an invitation to terrorists. The Chinese must be laughing themselves sick.
He should have the guts to cancel the useless Trident missiles and their vulnerable submarines, mothball the carriers and cancel the frigates. They are pure showing off, as pointless as the American jet fighters, almost all of which remain undelivered. Such weapons have no more to do with protecting modern Britain than do muskets, bows and arrows and changing the guard."
Not so sure that the Chinese are laughing themselves sick as, well, doing the opposite.
By the way, this not new news, it's merely official confirmation of the deployment first announced by Boris Johnson in Sydney in July 2017.
For those who think the deployment is built on nothing, please note that ALBION did a SCS FONOP last year, and three or four RN ships spent much of 2018 in the neighbourhood, mostly using Japan as home-away-from. A T23 was in Darwin last week, just the latest doing the rounds.
It must be rewarding for Guardian reports and columnists to always be 100% right about everything, especially in their sneering, sanctimonious, self-righteous way. Also must be rewarding for them to be able to whistle-up complex geostrat solutions to the evolving issues of the SCS in the blink of an eye.
For those who enjoy some barmy lefty ranting, here's the whole piece - British ‘lethality’? Gavin Williamson’s brain has gone absent without leave | Simon Jenkins
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John Fedup
The Bunker Group
What a nightmare a Labor government will be for UK defence should they win the next election with their pathetic leader.
@John Fedup John you is straying into politics again with that comment about the pommy Labour party leader. Be wary old boy or Mods will get cranky.
@John Fedup John you is straying into politics again with that comment about the pommy Labour party leader. Be wary old boy or Mods will get cranky.
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You have quoted extensively from Simon Jenkins ,so I have looked him up to find he is controversial and eccentric in 2010 in the Guardian he called for the abolishing of the defence budget " all 45 billion of it" but in 2016 he said that Britain should stay in Nato ,previously had supported the operations to retake the Falklands islands from Argentina but later stated the Islanders should have no say in their independence and Britain should negotiate with Argentina .
He was knighted for services to journalism by a previous Labor government so perhaps his views on the government reflect in his article if not on the opposition leader
He was knighted for services to journalism by a previous Labor government so perhaps his views on the government reflect in his article if not on the opposition leader
Does anyone else find this a bit of an overreach for the UK.
Why the Pacific? It is a long way from home.
Thoughts?
Massive
My best guess is that it is a Brexit thing.
Post-Brexit Britain should be ready to use 'hard power, says defence minister
Essentially Britain will need new trading partners and friends. That is pretty much what Australia did after WW2 when it realised that Great Britain wasn't quite so great anymore.
the concerned
Active Member
I thought when the CV deploys to the far East it is part of a multinational group.
@the concerned You appear to be making to many one and one and bit line posts. Try to add more substance to them.
@the concerned You appear to be making to many one and one and bit line posts. Try to add more substance to them.
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Well, I'd be mighty surprised if they haven't noticed the "operational" curved thing up forward on LIAONING. Not to to mention the currently unnamed second PLAN STOBAR carrier.
Does this also apply to France, which is, as I write this, on the cusp of deploying a task group to the Pacific? A task group centred on the carrier CHARLES DE GAULLE.