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Ananda

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FNSS Website give more information on this Kaplan/Harimau APC.


KAPLAN APC is equipped with modular survivability systems to offer an effective solution to the changing threats of the battlefield. It is fitted with protection packages against ballistic, mine and improvised explosive threats. KAPLAN APC also offers an active protection system option against anti-tank missiles and rocket propelled grenades.
Seems FNCS and Pindad design this modularity include potential for APS. Whether this is already operational Turkiye Akkar Pukat APS or some other derivative, this option from what I gather also being prepared for Harimau MT.

In such the design can change from simple APC to more capable IFV. Being rumours that TNI-AD consider Cockeril Turret in first Batch of Harimau MT consider too expensive for it's relative capabilities. So there's talk on next turrets will use other suppliers.

TNI AD standard APC are AMX-VCI, and it is in average around 50 years old. Throughout years TNI-AD already inducted several others tracked APC from Alvis Stormer, M113, and Marder. However none being procure in the numbers that can replace AMX-VCI. So let's see how this Harimau APC production rate will be. Harimau MT also being envisage as AMX-13 replacement, but production rate so far still only in low numbers.
 
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Ananda

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Put this as some Papuan Insurgents accounts claim that TNI already using light weight back packed drones to attack their camps. If that's true then this kind local made drones already operational in Papua. This drones as being back packed are seems being distributed at Platoon level during patrols.

Ukraine war really attract and proliferate drones usage down to platoon level. From European Plain, African and Middle East Desert, up to Papuan Tropical Junggles, Drones really change the face of Military operations.
 

koxinga

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Seems Anoa 3 have meet most signs in becoming definitive production version for Anoa NG.
I don't know how the Anoa 3 is evolving. In Indo Defense 2022, the version that was displayed as Anoa 3 is a straight copy or licensed version of VAB Mk3.

However, this current design goes back to the original Anoa 2 with perhaps some tweaks such as changing the torison bar suspension to double wishbone. Was the (2022) Anoa 3 too expensive to produce?

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Ananda

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Was the (2022) Anoa 3 too expensive to produce?
From what I Heard, current Anoa 3 design IP belong to Pindad, while previous Anoa 3 design IP is under licenses from French Arquus. Perhaps Arquus still involve with current Anoa 3 design, but more as consultant partner and not IP owner. So cost of licensing I believe that make the difference.
 

koxinga

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It is my guess as well. The French Arquus version in 2022, while sophisticated might be too expensive for large domestic production.

But I am not sure how the Pindad product will ever attract foreigner buyers. The partnership with Arquus I felt was a way for Pindad to get some international branding.
 

Ananda

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Its advantage lies in its ability to meet national defense needs while offering cost-effective solutions to regional partners seeking modernization without full NATO-grade budgets.
The article already put it; build for national defense criteria and will be offer to customers that want mordenisation without NATO price. Arquus seems work with Pindad to find that compromise solutions. Just like another Indonesian land based manufakturer SSE that work with French Texelis to build armoured carriers with Indonesia costs and French tech.
 

Ananda

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I believe this local manufacturer see potential to replace this:
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What they offer basically is armoured truck, but with much better ergonomic and armoured protection. Well providing dump truck with armour protection is one thing in Papua mountains. Still in the end the Army and Police should begin providing more appropriate armour protection vehicles.

This Fortes will be less expensive then Anoa, and I suspect more faster to prepared.
 

Sandhi Yudha

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I believe this local manufacturer see potential to replace this:
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What they offer basically is armoured truck, but with much better ergonomic and armoured protection. Well providing dump truck with armour protection is one thing in Papua mountains. Still in the end the Army and Police should begin providing more appropriate armour protection vehicles.

This Fortes will be less expensive then Anoa, and I suspect more faster to prepared.
The Fortes MV 6.0 looks nice, but it is a little bit confusing, it seems to be created for tactical response, patrol, and convoy protection roles, but it looks like a cute light APC.


Another Video from Xavier that talk with Director of Noahtu Shipyard group. The shipyard of this group consist under Noahtu name (located in Lampung and Jakarta) and under Batamec name (located in Batam).

Xavier focus on two ships design (both already shown in this thread):
  1. OPV 90 (or 98m) that basically by TNI-AL already categories as Light Frigate,
  2. Army Disaster relief LCU.
#1 has been launch 2 of them from their yard in Lampung, while the third one in the building process. The Noahtu director talk about the MinDef need for up to 12 of this kind of ship class. So it is seems as speculate that it will be aim for Parchim replacement.

Personally I'm bit sceptical Parchim replacement will all use this OPV design, as another rival Corvette design (Bung Hatta class design) already shown by rival shipyard Karimun. I suspect the order will be devide between them.

As #2, it is clear now being build as Disaster relief vessels that have Hospital capabilities. Seems the Army wants their own hospital ships.
In my opinion it is highly unlikely that they can deliver this new humanitarian aid/SAR ship next month, the ADRI-XCII was just launched on 9 April this year.


Here an interesting video about the ships of TNI-AD.
 

Sandhi Yudha

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Ananda

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Total national budget this year will not change in fact slightly decrease. Thus basically they rearrange distrubutions. Defense, Security and Education got highest increase, while the biggest decrease come from Public Expenditure. This from what I gather come from Infrastructure.

This related to changes on how Infrastucture now more being finance using non budgetary sources, including private investment. However as thia is defense forum, then the increase in defense roughly from USD 10.5 bio to USD 15+ bio make for first time in decades, defense budget +/- 1% of GDP. This seems in line with Prabowo's promisses in the election that he will make defense around 1% of GDP and targeted by end of his period to be 1.5% of GDP.

Personally getting to 1.5% of GDP in my opinion to ambitious, unless that 1.5% target included budget for security. However let see how he reach target of defense only getting 1.5% of GDP. Unless Indonesia economy growing in average close to above 5.5% and close to 6%, Prabowo administration will be hard to achieve that.

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I seriously doubt any nations in East and Southeast Asia outside China will want to entertaint Trump administration push for 5% of GDP defense budget. Perhaps that push will only galvanized China more instead to increase their Defense Budget. The defense budget increase will happen, but each nation will increase it in their own pace not sacrificing their own economies.
 
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