The Indonesian Army

[Vegan-Zombie]

I don't get it on why their bringing in another platform if they wanted to have a standardized equipment structure. Doesn't the Anoa have a version armed with the cockerill 90mm

 

[Ananda]

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Some picture from korearms site on Tarantula 6x6 fire support armoured vehicle. Basically the sites confirm Doosan DST exported their designed Tarantula 6x6 fire support armoured vehicle. 11 being build by Doosan, while the other 11 will be assamble by Pindad as part of Tech Transfer agreements (ToT).

 

[kensama]

^^^ actually the 11 that will be assemble by Pindad are already arrive. you can look at the pictures at the angkasa reader community website.

It also shows that the production of APS Anoa already surpass 200 unit, the article also mention additional order of Anoa (90 unit) from MINDEF this year.

 

[Vegan-Zombie]

I sense that a logistical nightmare is coming. Now they have 2 6x6 type chassis's

 

[DavidDCM]

Logistics should be able to handle that. If they can't, they don't deserve the name logistics.

Apart from the fact that TNI already operates something like 5 different 6x6 and 10 different 4x4 armoured vehicles.

 

[Ananda]

The way the wind moved, seems Pindad Anoa will be the standard 6x6 with present 300 + on the project. Pindad claim they have capacity now to msnufavtured 80 Anoa annualy. Pindad Komodo, and the licensed Sherpa seems going to be the standard 4x4.

However the old vehicles like Alvis Saracen, Saladin, V-150 etc still in active duty. TNI will used them mostly on Eastern Indonesia. Thus the way I see, it will take at least a decade before TNI can finish the standardisation on 3 platform I mentioned above. Eventhat some specialised vehicle like Tarantula will enter the inventory in small number from time to time.

 

[DavidDCM]

A decade may not even be enough. There are a LOT of old vehicles which are spread throughout TNI units. And not only do they need to replace these, they also set up entirely new units (Yonif Mekanis) which previously did not exist and also need Anoa vehicles. Some vehicles are old but not that old (like VAB and VBL), so there is no need to replace them at all.
If one day the last unit will be equipped with Anoa, then the first generation Anoas will potentially be already worn out and in need of replacement again.
Thus they may never completely standardize at all. Standardisation of vehicle fleet is a task many countries have tried and failed. And the Indonesian army is quite huge, has not a lot of money available and has one of the most diversified vehicle parks that I am aware of.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

The way the wind moved, seems Pindad Anoa will be the standard 6x6 with present 300 + on the project. Pindad claim they have capacity now to msnufavtured 80 Anoa annualy. Pindad Komodo, and the licensed Sherpa seems going to be the standard 4x4.

However the old vehicles like Alvis Saracen, Saladin, V-150 etc still in active duty. TNI will used them mostly on Eastern Indonesia. Thus the way I see, it will take at least a decade before TNI can finish the standardisation on 3 platform I mentioned above. Eventhat some specialised vehicle like Tarantula will enter the inventory in small number from time to time.

Dont forget the BTR-40..... How many of these old-timers are in use by the TNI-AD?

 

[koxinga]

ARC reports that the UN conventional arms register has recorded Indonesia to have ordered 18 x KH-179 155mm from South Korea.

A surprise considering that most signs suggest TNI would standardised it's towed artillery around 105mm with the purchase of the 105mm KH-178 and OTO's 105mm pack howitzers.

UN-Register
(select 2012, National Reports from Rep. of Korea)

 

[Ananda]

Try to find more info on this deal with Indonesia Media, Forum, even some chat with people on defense circle. Seems many also surprised with the Deal. The only 155 mm gun deal so far being talked is the 36 Ceasar Mobile/Self Propeled Gun. 105 mm KH-178 was already tested here and officialy being informed that TNI going to order 3 batalion strength (54 gun).

TNI artilery batalion usually equiped with 18 gun or 3 bateries. The only 155 mm gun, the ST FH-2000 only equiped for 1 bateries. With TNI then not equiping FH-2000 for 1 batalion strength, but rather then move on to 155mm self propeled gun, many in here assumes that TNI towed gun will only be 105 mm ones.

So, some speculations in here thinks that since KH-179 lighter than FH-2000, is the reasons that TNI choose it. For me, I tend to believe KH-179 deal is one packages with KH-178, and being chooses simply because Korean provide better packages.

 

[Ananda]

Israel Tech for Papuan Road.

Govt to use Israeli technology to build roads in Papua | The Jakarta Post

Seems the Army which being tasked to build roads on the most remote area on Papua will use Isreal tech for the pavement. This tech seems relative new, and being considered more economical, have more strength, and faster to implement compared to conventional pavement. Media in here did not elaborated which tech being used, but I suspected on this :

Safer and greener: Israel's high-tech highways | The Times of Israel

 

[Ananda]

The first batch of 100+ Leopard 2 and 50 Marder, procured by the Indonesian Army (TNI-AD) from Germany has arrived in Jakarta. The first batch consists of 2 Leopard 2 A-4 and 2 Marder. The total Leopard 2 being procured is 42 Leopard 2 A-4 and 61 Leopard 2 upgrade called Leopard 2 Revolution or Ri.

The picture from Angkasa Readers Community sites.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

The first batch of 100+ Leopard 2 and 50 Marder, procured by the Indonesian Army (TNI-AD) from Germany has arrived in Jakarta. The first batch consists of 2 Leopard 2 A-4 and 2 Marder. The total Leopard 2 being procured is 42 Leopard 2 A-4 and 61 Leopard 2 upgrade called Leopard 2 Revolution or Ri.

The picture from Angkasa Readers Community sites.

Thank you for the news. It looks like they are specially brought to here for 5 Oktober.....

Here some pics i took last year at Monas.
They are taken at the air defence part of the expo, here a photo of an old machine gun and the Bofors 40L70.
These guys with green barets, other camouflage pattern and without TNI-markings, are they some sort of "ormas kurang jelas" aka a bunch of wannabe soldiers?
(I know the girl right on the first pic with the tight camouflage clothes isnt a military)

And how about the BAC Rapier? Are thought they are withdrawn from service many years ago....

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

And here some pics from some cheap-short-range-low-altitude-made-in-China-air-defence-systems.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

And here the second part of some pics from some cheap-short-range-low-altitude-made-in-China-air-defence-systems.

 

[STURM]

And how about the BAC Rapier? Are thought they are withdrawn from service many years ago....

They probably are still operable; especially if MBDA has done some work on them. Not sure if Brunei's Rapiers are still in service.

 

[Sandhi Yudha]

Indonesia Purchases Air Defense System From Thales
Jan. 14, 2014 - 03:45AM |
By ANDREW CHUTER | Comments

Indonesia has purchased more than £100 million worth of air defense equipment from Thales. (Thales Land & Air Systems)


LONDON — The Indonesian Army has turned to the British arm of Thales to plug a gap in its short-range air defenses with a deal to purchase its Forceshield integrated system of vehicle-mounted missiles and radars.

Under the deal, Thales operations in Britain and France will equip five Indonesian Army batteries with Starstreak missiles, ControlMaster200 radars and weapon coordination systems, lightweight multiple launchers and RapidRanger weapon launchers, said David Beatty, vice president for advanced weapon systems at Thales UK.

Beatty said that although there are no options in the contract for additional deliveries, “once we show we can deliver our solution and the customer likes it, we hope to develop good relations for follow-on orders from the Indonesian authorities.”

The purchase is the latest in a string of orders aimed at modernizing the Indonesian Army. The military is adding main battle tanks, 155mm artillery, infantry fighting vehicles, and other weapons to its inventory.

The Indonesians also purchased next-generation light anti-tank weapons developed by Saab for the British and Swedish armies. The missiles are built by Thales at the Northern Ireland weapon facilities that are also responsible for Starstreak work.

The air defense deal is worth more than £100 million (US $164 million), said Thales, and includes an agreement with Indonesian state-owned company PT LEN Industri to partner on integration of some of the systems involved in the contract as well as future collaboration in the military and civil sectors.

The deal being announced this week is a combination of two contracts, one going back to November 2011 with Indonesia to acquire the first of five required batteries.

No deliveries were made under the earlier arrangement and the delivery schedule being worked on by Thales combines the two contracts, Beatty said.

The Thales executive said the company hopes to get “deliveries of the man-portable elements of the weapon underway this year but that equipment with longer lead times like the ControlMaster200 medium-range air-defense radar would take longer and it would take several years to deliver the complete integrated system.”

Starstreak will provide air defense out to about 7 kilometers against ground attack aircraft, pop-up attack helicopters, drones and cruise missiles and is seen as a replacement for the longer range British Rapier missile systems previously a mainstay of Indonesian anti-air capabilities.

Operating at speeds in excess of Mach 3 and able to travel at more than a kilometer a second, Starstreak is the fastest short-range surface-to-air missile in the world. Britain, South Africa and most recently Thailand are all operators of the laser beam-riding weapon.

Thales beat Saab with its RBS-70-based air defense system, although earlier several other weapons suppliers had shown an interest in the requirement, including Poland and China.

The RapidRanger launcher and fire control system equipped with four Starstreak missile tubes will be integrated into the Spanish-designed Vamtac vehicle for the Indonesians. The vehicle is similar in appearance to the Humvee.

A version of the LandRover Defender will be used to mount a lightweight multiple launcher version of Starstreak. The lightweight launcher can also be used dismounted for firing off a man-portable tripod.

It’s the first sale of an integrated turn-key air defense solution by Thales since the company relaunched its offerings in the sector under the ForceShield banner nearly two years ago. ■

See also https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/worl...forceshield-integrated-air-defence-system-and
and DEFENSE STUDIES: Thales Announces Order for FORCESHIELD Integrated Air Defence System and STARSTREAK Missiles for Indonesian Ministry of Defence

Good to know that we get 5 batteries to replace the old Rapier systems.
And "The Thales executive said the company hopes to get “deliveries of the man-portable elements of the weapon underway this year"
So maybe we get the lightweight multiple launcher version of Starstreak in the end of 2014!

 

[koxinga]

Deliveries for the second lot of 37 BMP-3F for the Indonesian Marine Corp appears to be complete. Interestingly, there is a mention for the purchase of BTR-4 as part of the next phase (RENSTRA II) of MEF in addition to the BMP-3F. While the BMP-3F seems to have supplemented (not replaced) the PT-76, the BTR-4 appears to be targeting at the replacement of BTR-50.

What could be the rationale behind replacing a tracked platform with a wheeled one? I can't see the value of this approach unless the BTR-4 represents a cheaper option instead of an all BMP-3F fleet.

Marine Corps gets more war machines | The Jakarta Post

Dozens of Russian-made BMP-3F amphibious infantry fighting vehicles (IFV) made a formation as soon as they landed on Asembagus beach in Situbondo regency, East Java. Operated by the Indonesian Navy’s Marine Corps, the amphibious IFV column then detected a target some three kilometers away to be neutralized.

With support from dozens of 70-mm rockets fired by a RM-70 Grad multiple launcher rocket system (MLRS), and French-made 105-mm howitzer, the amphibious IFVs approached the target with guns blazing. The installed weaponry includes a 100-mm cannon, 100-mm rocket, 30-mm automatic cannon and 7.62-mm machine guns.

The simulated target, located in the Marine Corps’ Combat Training Center (Puslatpur), was eliminated.

The simulation was held on Monday during a handover ceremony of 37 BMP-3Fs from the Russian government to the Indonesian government. In December 2010, the Marine Corps received the first batch of 17 IFV units.

“The vehicles fit into the development of our defense forces to turn the Indonesian Navy into a world class navy,” Defense Minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro said.

In total, the Marine Corps now has 55 BMP-3Fs, including one BREM-L recovery vehicle. The amphibious IFVs will be deployed to the 1st Marines in Surabaya and to the 2nd Marines in Jakarta.

Indonesian Military (TNI) chief Gen. Moeldoko, who also attended the ceremony, said that the new IFVs were part of TNI efforts to modernize its ageing war machines, such as its Soviet Union-made PT-76 amphibious light tanks and French-made AMX-13 light tanks.

The Marine Corps still has about 50 PT-76s, made in 1954, while the Indonesian Army has hundreds of AMX-13, made between the 1950s and the 1960s.

“We cannot upgrade them anymore because they are already too old,” Moeldoko said.

“AMX-13 and PT-76 will be decommissioned gradually and replaced with newer models until the end of Renstra II.”

Renstra II refers to the five-year Strategic Plan II in 2015-2019 to modernize the TNI. Renstra I is in 2009-2014.

Purnomo said more modern weaponry would be procured in Renstra II, such as the Ukrainian-made BTR-4 armored personnel carrier (APC).

Russian Ambassador to Jakarta Mikhail Galuzin said he was very proud to be able to supply the BMP-3Fs for TNI.

“Because we are strategic partners and we have deep trust in the future,” he said on the sidelines of the ceremony.

Purnomo said the Russian government had agreed to the sale of two Kilo-class submarines to Indonesia, which included Klub-S cruise missiles with a range of between 300 km and 400 km.

“We will send a team to Russia in February to asses whether Indonesia will buy new submarines or used submarines and upgrade their capabilities,” he said.

“We want the Klub-S missiles to be included because of their range.”

After the handover ceremony, Purnomo went to Pasuruan regency to visit the Eighth Cavalry Battalion/Tank, which will house German-made Leopard 2 main battle tanks (MBT) and Marder IFVs.

The Eighth, part of the Army’s Strategic Reserve Command’s (Kostrad) Second Division, will get 40 units of the MBTs and IFVs with the first delivery in October and the rest sent in batches until 2015.

“All in all, we will receive 105 Leopard 2 MBTs and 50 Marder IFVs. They will be deployed at Kostrad’s First and Second Divisions,” Purnomo said after visiting the battalion.

“There is also a discourse to deploy them in border areas.”

 

[Ananda]

37 Unit Tank BMP-3F Rusia Kembali Perkuat Alutsista TNI AL

On longer term plan, the whole PT-76 will be replaced by BMP-3F. The link above from Indonesian Navy Eastern Fleet sites. Sorry in bahasa. On one of the alinea, mentioned the overall plan for BMP-3 is 95 which 81 of reguler BMP-3F, 10 command version of BMP-3FK, and 4 of maintanance version BREM-L.

The article create confussion also when it talks about plan procurement of 55 BTR-4 as replacement for PT-76, but other article already stated that BTR-4 is slotted to replace BTR-50 whille BMP-3F is for PT-76 replacement. Some of PT-76 especially with the lattest upgrade will still be inventory, untill sufficient number of BMP-3F can be procured.

 

[madokafc]

To Ananda,

I found several articles in which mentioned about the intention of Komar to replace PT-76 with BTR 4, not only one article. But just leave that small issue as it is, because Komar already had several programme to upgrade their armored vehicle at almost same timeline, first they had gradually induct BMP-3F and second they will induct BTR 4. Don't know why they are trying to purchase those vehicle batch by batch in small numbers for every batch, why they are not trying to purchase them in large number instead with multiyears scheme payments. Because, they had a plan to fielding at least three battalion of BMP 3F and 3 battalion of BTR 4 for three Pasukan Marinir.